Some of what was discussed in this episode:

• Are the Conversations crew really "Some of the best Engineers in the world"?
• Charles Kenny on Twitter - "I just got vaccinated by a woman born in Vietnam, with a vaccine created by two Turkish refugees living in Germany and manufactured by a US company run by a Greek migrant. Thank you, world.
• Balaji Srinivasan on Time Ferriss
• A short exploration of incentives "Show me the incentives and I will show you the outcome" - Charlie Munger
• Spider shares is passion for the Georgian Folk Trio - Trio Mandili - What is it that makes this music so powerful?
• Spider's selections here
• Top 40 music - is it denatured?
• Mix tactics to humanize music - naturalizing synthetic sounds and modernizing classic & organic sounds
• How deeply are records made today connecting to young listeners? "Alive Inside documentary and the power of music to connect deeply
• How traditional music survives and is handed down - the aural and oral traditions
• Jon's NYC meals and the power of a simple, transcendent meal
• Via Carota
• Aska
• Intent in record making
• What can modern artists do to leverage whatever it is that makes trio Mandili special?
• Other people in the room, the power of collaboration
• Music as a means to express the ineffable, to take over where the spoken and written word runs out - "I hope you have had the experience where a song has cracked you open"
• Is modern record making often words on a page with no intent - effective nonsense?
• The timeliness of a recording and how it fits into a cultural landscape
• Michael captures the themes and recaps the conversation so far
• A working list of the attributes of timeless work

1. Generational
2. Communal
3. Natural/Rooted/grounded
4. Personal
5. Unprotected
6. Unafraid
7. Transcends the listener
8. Brave
9. Evidence
10. High stakes
11. Unencumbered
12. Meaningful
13. Rich with emotion
14. Connected performers
15. Honesty
16. Historical

• A discussion of the evergreen lessons in Shakespeare
• How Capitalism and modern markets are incentivized to decouple us from history
• What are we really optimizing for in the record making process?
• The early days of The Gift Shop and the importance of a technology free zone of piano & guitar to explore songs
• Songs, mixes and masters as "Closed Systems" where everything affects everything
• “Nobody wants to listen to your fear” - Spider
• Referencing other artists work - how and when?
• Active & dangerous elements in a song, mix, master - un-inhibiting the music
• Timelessness - the power and the pitfalls of this word in the studio
• George Hazelrigg and his ideas on the personal vs the universal
• Floating Points, Pharoah Sanders and The London Symphony Orchestra
• "Music is a conversation between the past and the present, the artist and the listener" - Ruairi
• Joshua Redman and gutural saxophone, the endless variation of nature
• A conservative movement in music?
• How do we demand nutritious music?
• A discussion of context - why we focus on the pretty flower and not the pot, the soil, the water...
• Michael’s listening challenge - Actively decoding the meaning of words as group to empower progress
• "How do we discern innovation from decay?" - Spider
• What does it mean if modern singers don’t smile? 
• How often are you truly humbled by art? Regardless of the medium

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Produced and Mixed by Dylan Seals

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"Conversations Theme" Performed by Hazelrigg Brothers Composed by “Spider” Ron Entwistle, Geoff Hazelrigg, George Hazelrigg Piano: George Hazelrigg Bass: Geoff Hazelrigg Drums: John O’Reilly Jr. Mixed by Jon Castelli