After appearing on MSNBC this weekend, Maria Hinojosa went viral—for explaining why language is important when talking about undocumented immigrants. On this week’s episode, Maria talks with Julio Ricardo Varela about her appearance, and Julio leads a discussion on the same topic with Jelani Cobb, Staff Writer for the New Yorker, and Julianne Hing, reporter for The United States of Anxiety. They discuss the dangers of calling someone “illegal” and how violence is often treated differently when it’s committed by white people than when it comes from people of color.

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