Rich and Josh discuss working on your book, Turtles ‘R’ Us, brand ambassadors, tuning on stage, tubes and subways, maintaining Canadian citizenship, small-town America, exhaustion, nostalgia, concept albums, fleshed out characters, Carson McCullers, karma, attic windows, sky burials, skeletons in suits, legit birds, not connecting, slogs, burnt out qualities, student essays, heartbreaking refrains, interesting approaches, songs about cats, some sort of emotion that isn’t anger, megaphones, remote cabins, sounding well Northern, and Neil Young's Greendale.

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