Rich and Josh discuss old shirts, feeling free, belly button food, sympathetic responses, loving it, glimmers of hope, sludgy and crunchy guitars, going back through them all, good crops, focus, really good high school bands, together holding hands on the edge, holding onto that swan’s neck, flatscreen TVs, divorcing before death, the same cut twice, booking ahead of time, scheduling a crisis, time-travelling, perfectionism, one-upping Zuckerberg, foam fingers, immersion therapy, treading water, being overwhelmed with happiness, looking more like a turtle, and Neil Young's Living with War.

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