I sit down with Liz Muller, co-founder and CEO of Deep Fission, to discuss their underground micro nuclear reactors, decentralized energy, and solve the skyrocketing energy demands of the AI boom.

Liz breaks down the fundamentals of nuclear energy and shares her vision for building clean, safe, and cost-effective power sources that can be deployed in a decentralized way.

• Why nuclear is statistically the safest form of energy production we have
• The real problem with nuclear waste and a clear path to solving it
• Why France successfully went all-in on nuclear energy
• How Deep Fission's design could lower nuclear costs by 80%
• The serendipitous discovery behind their underground reactor concept
• The DOE pilot program and winning the energy race in the US
• How decentralized nuclear can power the AI data center boom

If you're interested in the future of energy, decentralization, or how we'll meet the energy needs of AI, you won't want to miss this conversation.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction

01:59 Energy 101: What is Nuclear Fission?

03:02 Fission vs. Fusion Explained

03:35 Why Nuclear is The Only Clean & Reliable Power Source

04:39 Why Nuclear Is The Safest Energy We Have

06:10 Real Problem With Nuclear Waste

07:29 Public Perception & Cost Challenges

09:37 How Nuclear Waste Is Currently Stored

11:02 Why France Succeeded With Nuclear Power

11:56 Discovery Behind Deep Fission's Underground Reactors

17:52 Deep Fission’s Modular Design

21:07 Nuclear Fuel Supply Chain Explained

26:27 Building Reactors A Mile Underground

31:35 Gaining Community Acceptance for Nuclear Projects

33:42 DOE’s Pilot Program: A Fast Path To Build by 2026

39:39 Decentralization and Efficiency in Energy Production

42:15 Liz's Journey Into Nuclear Energy

44:37 How Deep Fission Uses AI To Build Reactors

48:19 Liz Predictions

50:45 Rapid Fire

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Links to Liz’s Work:

• Deep Fission – [https://www.deepfission.com](https://www.deepfission.com/)
• LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethmuller/

Key Influences Mentioned:

• Luis Alvarez - https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/profile/luis-alvarez/

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