Roddy and Robert Russell’s story, plus Sam explores why IPP serving prisoners are finding it so hard to get released by the parole board.

Roddy Russell first found out what an IPP sentence was in 2011 when his brother, Robert didn't come home after serving 2-and-a-half-year tariff for a threat to kill. The brothers grew up in the Forest of Dean – and Roddy left as soon as he was old enough for a career in the RAF, whilst Robert went down a different path and has been in prison for the last 14 years, serving an indefinite imprisonment for public protection (IPP) sentence. Today Roddy travels back to the Forest of Dean to meet Robert's friends and former co-workers as he takes on his latest battle to help get his brother released.

To understand why IPPs are finding it so hard to get released by the parole board, Sam meets the lawyer Andrew Sperling and former prison officer Sam Samworth. Samworth, who explains what prison life is like for people serving IPP sentences and how vulnerable they are. Hank Rossi of the Institute of Now and Richard Garside, Director of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies, discuss the barriers that prisoners face when approaching a parole review. It’s a Catch-22 says Garside, the problems IPPs face get reproduced over time with no obvious way out.

Finally, Sam and Hank travel to Bristol to meet Stafford Lightman, a Professor of Medicine. He describes how the brain responds to stress and how indefinite detention exacerbates its effects for both IPP prisoners and their family members.

Contributors in order of appearance:

Roddy Russell, IPP campaigner and brother of IPP serving prisoner, Robert @1roddyRussell

Andrew Sperling, Lawyer and parole specialist, director of SL5 Legal. @AndrewSperling

Graham Towl, Professor of forensic psychology at Durham University, former Chief Psychologist at the Ministry of Justice @ProfGrahamTowl

Bryn Williams, former employer of Robert Russell

Hank Rossi, The Institute of Now

Andrew Mapps, friend of Robert Russell

Nick Ballard, friend of Robert Russell

Dan Nelmes, friend of Robert Russell

Sam Samworth, former prison officer and Author @NeilSamworth

Clara White, sister of IPP serving prisoner Thomas White

Richard Garside, Centre for Crime and Justice Studies @RichardJGarside

Stafford Lightman, Professor of Medicine, University of Bristol

Production Team:

Reporter: Samantha Asumadu @SamanthaAsumadu

Executive Producer: Melissa FitzGerald @melissafitzg

Producer: Steve Langridge @SMLANGERS

Consultant: Hank Rossi

Artwork: Brightside

An Ear Worm Production for the Institute of Now

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