In this episode we chat with the lovely Lesley Winterbach, founder of TheGoodList.com, a curated list of the best creative freelance talent. We can wax poetic all day about Lesley's fabulous South African accent, but we encourage you to take a listen for yourself. Not only do we enjoy listening to her in general, but she is so full of grace, intelligence, perspective, and we felt completely inspired by her, and know you will too. 

And to switch things up...as per usual, we're confused: can guys and girls past a certain age really, truly JUST be friends? We get into it. 

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