This time we have a special guest, and I think since Covid everyone in the Netherlands knows him; Diederik Gommers, Head of IC at Erasmus. He played a crucial role in the Outbreak Management Team during the pandemic. But he was also still a doctor at the hospital. What did he learn in these unprecedented times and did it change how he looks at and fosters Psychological Safety? This time our conversation will be in Dutch, so for our international listeners I kindly refer you to our other episodes that you can listen in English.