Never The Same

#4 - McKenna Roice - What we can learn from grief and how it can surprise us in allll the ways


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Today’s guest is Mckenna Roice…Mckenna and I met socially last year  at a very fun birthday weekend up in Tahoe, and it was only after we’d come back that we realized that unfortunately we had way more in common than it seemed on the surface. She lost her brother Dylan to suicide just a few months after Lee died, and while his story carries the additional weight of addiction, the journeys we’ve both ended up on have too many similarities to count. Mckenna is such an inspiration for her self-awareness and drive to help others avoid a similar plight…she’s created a charity and organization called Dylan’s Camp that is dedicated to suicide and mental health awareness through connection, community and service, and in our conversation we get into:

What to do with the energy that was previously being used to care for and worry about your loved one

What grief has to teach us, and how it can be beautiful

The power of breathwork to connect to lost memories and heal trauma

How those you’re close with can surprise you in times of loss

And what it’s like to go thru grief together as a family and how it can change those already-tight bonds. 

Mckenna is so genuine and so easy to drop in with, even on such a painful subject…I hope you enjoy the conversation, let’s see where this goes…

Intro music by @joshjameslim, all other music licensed by Epidemic Sounds



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