What happens when you do everything right —

work hard, chase the dream, build the body, build the business —

and still feel empty?

In this long-form conversation, two young men share their raw journey from:

• chasing money and success

• door knocking and building a business from nothing

• living for hustle, discipline, and image

…to realising that achievement alone wasn’t enough.

This isn’t a motivational talk.

It’s not anti-ambition.

And it’s definitely not performative.

It’s an honest conversation about:

• emptiness after progress

• why success doesn’t automatically bring peace

• what young men are actually searching for

• and how hope showed up when they weren’t even looking for it

If you’re grinding, improving yourself, doing “what you’re supposed to do” —

but still feel like something’s missing…

This conversation is for you.

Watch with an open mind.

Take what resonates.

Leave the rest.