Rich and Josh discuss different angles, physically and morally, Coco before and after, professional recording spaces, chopping them open, barn fire, blood diversion, moving in, areas on the floor, looking busy, bean snacks, forgetting how to be around people, exposure therapy, the saddest part, pre-nightmares, slumber songs, my eventual downfall, the car’s fault, microinterations, loving rockabilly, just him and guitar, blues bars, campfires, never listening, and Neil Young's Fork in the Road.

Next time: Le Noise