Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Jeremy Johnson about what led to his interest in Jean Gebser, the nebulosity of time, non-linear consciousness evolution & developmental theory, Gebser's poetic disposition & extraordinary writing style, the un-perspectival world, integral consciousness, the limits of intellect & complex abstraction, the ever-present, mythical consciousness, pattern & nebulosity, wholeness & the spiritual elements of Gebser's work, process orientation vs systemization, maps as living systems, comparing Gebser's view to Integral levels, the danger of meta-theories, the value of pop art, and more.

In this Episode of Both/And

• Mutations Podcast
• Jeremy's Patreon
• Jeremy's book, Seeing Through the World
• Liminal Magazine
• The Ever-Present Origin by Jean Gebser
• The Phenomenon of Man by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
• The Progress of This Storm by Andreas Malm
• Jeremy's Side View article, Meta, Modern
• Small Arcs of Larger Circles by Nora Bateson
• Twitter Questions
• Figuring by Maria Popova
• Seeing That Frees by Rob Burbea

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