Oh MAN, you are in for a treat this week! I have not one, but two incredible guests joining me: Randy Frazee and Gisela Kreglinger.

Randy is the lead teaching pastor at Westside Family Church in Kansas City and a visionary in Bible engagement, spiritual formation, and building biblical community. He’s the architect behind The Story and Believe church engagement campaigns and the author of books like The Joy Challenge and Think, Act, Be Like Jesus.

Gisela grew up on a winery in Franconia, Germany, where her family has been crafting wine for generations. She holds multiple degrees in Biblical Studies and a PhD in Historical Theology from the University of St Andrews. Her passion lies at the intersection of food, faith, and joy, which she explores through her writing, teaching, and wine pilgrimages.

Together, they are the brilliant minds behind Wine in the Word, a Bible study that explores the theology of wine, its biblical significance, and how it connects with the Christian life. 

This conversation was unlike anything I’ve ever had on the show. It was thought-provoking, eye-opening, and honestly, I could’ve talked to these two for hours! Get ready for a super fascinating discussion!

4:27 – Randy 101

• Lead pastor for 36 years • Writer and author  • Husband, father and grandfather • Working on this project with Gisela

6:03 – Gisela 101

• Growing up on a winery • Theologian, teacher, and writer  • Wine tastings and pilgrimages 

7:24 – The Story Behind “Wine In The Word” 

• Randy and Gisela’s backgrounds • How this collaboration came to be • Wine as a bridge builder 

13:55 – The Role Of Wine In The Bible

• The historical context of wine in America • Wine consumption in Christian context • Reclaiming wine as a gift from God • Teaching your children to have a healthy relationship with wine

26:54 – “Holy Tipsiness”

• Wine as a social lubricant • An invitation to community + sharing God’s gifts • Addressing opposition to wine consumption 

45:25 – Takeaways 

• Teaching about wine in a healthy, biblical context  • Learn more about Wine In The Word • Randy and Gisela’s prayer for this study

FEATURED QUOTES

“I just feel like it's time that we stop looking at wine through the lens of our culture.” - Randy Frazee

“Wine is really an invitation to community, to sharing the gifts of God. You know, wine and bread and all food that the earth brings forth are gifts from God. They are not just things out there that we need to eat. They're actually God's love language.” – Gisela Kreglinger

“You don't even have to drink or like wine, but you should know about what wine is teaching us in God.” - Randy Frazee

“We as the church have always been called to show how to live and how to live well as God has intended it, and I think we need to do that.” – Gisela Kreglinger

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Wine in the Word: https://www.randyfrazee.com/wine-in-the-word

Learn more about Randy: https://www.randyfrazee.com/

Randy’s Books: https://www.randyfrazee.com/books

Westside Family Church: https://www.westsidefamily.church/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RandyeFrazee

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/randyfrazee

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/randy-frazee-43bb1545/

Learn more about Gisela: https://www.thespiritualityofwine.com/

Gisela’s Books and Articles: https://www.thespiritualityofwine.com/publications

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gisela.kreglinger

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/giselakreglinger/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisela-h-kreglinger-615a2910/

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Can I Laugh On Your Shoulder? Podcast is a weekly podcast where we have honest conversations about faith, business, life, and everything in between. Hosted by speaker and author, Molly Stillman, her mission is to make you laugh, cry, and laugh till you cry. She wants to create a community of people who are unafraid to be themselves and have honest conversations about the things that matter most. Her vision is to create a safe space for people to explore their faith and share their stories and gifts with the world.