Are you good at doing absolutely nothing at all? In mainstream American culture, the values of productivity and accomplishment can be so front and center that the need for rest and play can take the backseat or—worse—be deemed useless. Opal Co-Founders Dr. Lexi Giblin, PhD, CEDS, Kara Bazzi, LMFT, CEDS, and Julie Church, RDN, CEDRD, CD sit down with host Carter Umhau, LMHC for a roundtable conversation around the “art of non-productivity.” The concept, a key tenet of Radically Open DBT (a therapeutic modality targeted for the treatment of those with a more over-controlled temperament) emphasizes the importance of learning how to be unproductive.

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