In this episode of Human Being School, I’m joined by my mate and fellow runner, Dan Kokken — ultra runner, father of four, and owner/operator of Recovery Lab Hampton and KX Pilates.

We start the conversation with Dan’s recent experience at the Kosi 100 miler, using it as a jumping-off point to explore the mental roller coaster of ultra running and the constant decision to keep going when things get hard.

From there, we zoom out into a wider discussion on:

• The mindset required to endure ultra-distance races

• Navigating the highs and lows that come with long days on your feet

• Training for longevity rather than short-term performance

• Recovery strategies that actually matter

• Balancing running, business ownership, and family life

This isn’t just a conversation about running further — it’s about learning how to stay present, resilient, and grounded while pursuing big physical goals alongside real-life responsibilities.

If you’re interested in endurance sport, recovery, mindset, or simply how to chase something meaningful without burning out, this episode will resonate.