Anthony Smith CEO Transport focus – the government-supported independent rail, bus and roads watchdog – chats with Leon Daniels OBE about the problem in the public’s understanding of what green transport actually is.

Anthony talks about the ‘say-do’ problem: what we say is so different to what we do and how this is especially true when it comes to the environment, why attitudinal research is a ‘waste of time’ and why people lie in surveys.

And, he addresses the ‘silos’ of car Vs bus, and reckons we have passed ‘peak public transport’.

Now the government effectively has control of rail and bus, Anthony Smith sets out how the new rail concessions that are replacing franchises could finally bring genuinely integrated transport.