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This is part 2 of the interview with Eeva Putro who is an actress and the writer of the 2020 screenplay for the film 'Tove' which is a biopic look at Tove Jansson the creator of the world phenomenon 'Moomins'
In Jessica's Gems, we talk about what is meant by 'turning points' and I try to answer more of Jessica's curiosities
Come and visit us at www.englishonair.com
Transcription:
Speaker 1 (00:11): Interesting guests and teach English at the same time. In this podcast, we have a very special guest. She's an actress and a writer from Finland it's Eeva Putro, this is the second part of Eeva's interview or is it just for work like, so you're asked to write something and then you do it. How do, how does it run with the, with the writing? And mostly it's, it's a calling, a calling for ideas. It's, um, it's not a calling for writing itself. That's more like for this, I need to, I need to write this character or I need to put this into a story, or sometimes I get, gets a feeding that I need to write about this, but the writing itself is not a calling. Right. So it's kind of solidifying ideas if you like and getting them down on paper so that they become something rather than just becoming nothing. Speaker 1 (01:17): Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm very eager to, to create interesting female characters, because I think that the world is lacking a good female characters and that's my, basically that's the call for me create female characters. Okay. I know so many female actors, actresses who are very talented and lacking opportunities to work. So it would be nice to, to create as many female characters as I can or have time to do in my life. Okay. So, so with the thoughts that those characters will have to be played by actors and to give more people work. Yeah. That's one, one side of it. I, I think that, um, all those little girls who, uh, like looking at these movies and TDC areas need role models, more opportunities to see themselves in different roles and different like, strong roles and multilayered, um, roles. And now you, right. Um, well, you certainly have skills in, in a few languages that I know of. So you, your, your mother tongue is Finnish, but when you were in Tove as an actress, so aside from the writing of the screenplay, as an actress, you were speaking in Swedish, I speak to you in English, and I know that you speak Russian. So there's a lot of languages flying around there. Do you write in different languages? Speaker 1 (03:19): Basically, I write most fluently in Finnish, of course, but that's the second fluent writing language is Swedish, perhaps because I used to practice a lot by, um, messaging with people in, in Swedish language. And, uh, and the third one is basically English. I've written a screenplay in English once, but I guess it's still, um, a thing that is that's slows me down a bit too much if I try to write in English or in, in Swedish, Speaker 2 (04:00): You're absolutely right. Writing in your mother, tongue is far easier, um, than writing in a second or third language. I think that goes without saying, but the, the screenplay that you wrote in English, which one was that? What, what was that about? Speaker 1 (04:18): It was, uh, the thesis work in, in my school, uh, screen writing university. Speaker 2 (04:28): I would lots of read that Eeva. Speaker 1 (04:34): Uh, it's only the second draft and I would need to rewrite it. Speaker 2 (04:40): Okay. But I might, so I'm allowed to ask you again in the future, if I could read that, because it'd be really interesting. So go going back to Tove that the, the actual screenplay, uh, which, so it was in Swedish. Um, they, they, they, the, the language is the same was in Swedish. Did you write it, did you write the screenplay in Swedish Speaker 1 (05:03): No? I wrote it in, in Finnish, but it was translated into Swedish language and into English too, because there were so many people who needed to comment and give feedback. And then I started again in Finnish, and then it got translated and so on. So writing is really writing. So that's why we needed to translate it many times. Speaker 2 (05:34): Do you think that, um, what about Russian? Have you ever written anything like a screenplay, for example, in Russian? Speaker 1 (05:41): Um, good question. No, to write in Russian it's far too slow for me, because those really Cyrillic, uh, how, how, how do you say it? Speaker 2 (05:56): Mm, uh, letters, Speaker 1 (05:59): Uh, pace. Speaker 2 (06:01): Okay. Well that must, that must be really, really difficult. It's hard enough to write in another language, but when you've got another alphabet, that must be really, really difficult. Speaker 1 (06:11): I can speak quite fluently in and I can act obviously in Russian, but to write it's so slow that I don't have, I can't say I, I could write in Russian. Speaker 2 (06:27): Okay. If have you got then have you got a favorite writer or, or a favorite book that you can tell us about? Speaker 1 (06:34): Unfortunately, most of them are written by men. I tried to find something which is, which would be very important for me written by female authors. Um, but my, one of my favorites is Mika Waltari with Sinuhe, Egyptian. Speaker 2 (06:58): You know what, that's one of the, I, that's the only book of Mika Valtari that I've actually read. So, yeah. Okay. So [inaudible], Speaker 1 (07:09): Did you like it Speaker 2 (07:12): To be, to be honest, I could, it was one of those situations where I could completely see that he was a fantastic writer, but the story somehow didn't didn't go well with me. It was so detailed, but it didn't grasp me where I just, I was so, so it was a book that I could put down. Whereas if I have read certain books, you know, very rarely, I would say that I find a book that I can't put down, but that's the loveliest thing. When you find something that you literally cannot put down, but I didn't find that with that story. And it may have been the incredible detail that, that he wrote the story. Speaker 1 (07:57): I love details stories. Uh, for example, one of my favorites is, um, Marcel Proust . Speaker 2 (08:04): Yes. Yes. I've not read any of his work, but yeah, yeah, I know him Speaker 1 (08:11): I adore how he his writing and yeah, that's fine. Others. I love Roald Dahl Speaker 2 (08:22): All ever. That's that's nice because I introduced you to Roald Dahl. No you didn't, I thought I did Speaker 1 (08:32): From him. Speaker 2 (08:35): Cause we'd been reading Ronaldo's stories. Short stories. Yes. Okay. Speaker 1 (08:41): From before. And I also like: Tolstoy, Steinbeck, Speaker 2 (08:48): You've got, I mean, just the, the writers that you've just mentioned, there's a big variation. They're all different. If you're doing, um, writing projects for work, what happens on those days when you're not really feeling creative or you're not on form, how do you deal with that? Speaker 1 (09:10): Then I'm a master of a procrastinating. So maybe I'm cleaning my home. And, um, I don't know, doing anything that comes into my mind. I go out and go to the gym to swim anything, Speaker 2 (09:36): Anything but doing that that's right. That's probably a good tactic. I would say Speaker 1 (09:43): Usually it helps because when I come home, I might be very, um, inspired to write and can't wait to take my laptop, and Speaker 2 (09:56): It's just the thing, mood changes. Doesn't it, it always changes. It never stays exactly the same. So it's sometimes best not to fight it and just go with it. Um, what's the, the best compliment you must've had plenty of compliments in your life, but what was the most sort of the best or the most memorable compliment that you've ever had? Speaker 1 (10:21): I'm quite good at forgetting about compliments. I don't know why it's a problem. I guess I should remember them and write them down and, uh, and take them when I feel depressed. Of course. But maybe someone told me once that I'm a comedian actress or I'm a, Um, very funny. That felt very good. Speaker 2 (10:53): Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, was it a comedy role you were doing or were you in some kind of workshop or Speaker 1 (11:01): Yes, it was some role. And one of my friends, uh, a movie director told me that they were, they had been talking about me with someone else and talking about my comedic skills, comic skills, comedic skills, and that felt especially good bit. Speaker 2 (11:24): Have you done any roles where you've been very dark? Speaker 1 (11:29): Yes. I guess I have done those too. Speaker 2 (11:33): Can you think of a role where you had to play someone with, you know, who was, who had a dark side to them or? Um, Speaker 1 (11:43): Not so that it would be like a psychopath or anything yet, but maybe in the future, that would be a challenge. Speaker 2 (11:54): Wouldn't it? Would you like to play a psychopath or some kind of, Speaker 1 (11:58): Yes, that's one of my dreams and I know that I could do it. Speaker 2 (12:06): I think you could do it. You can do it very well. Okay. Um, if you could go back to your younger self, if you could travel in time and you could go back to your 18 year old self Eeva Putro at 18, what advice would you give to Eeva Putro at 18? Well, she need any advice, Speaker 1 (12:33): Maybe not. She was very determined back then. Maybe I would say that you should trust, trust yourself and trust your instincts and just do it, listen to your heart. And don't waste time with listening to other people who are trying to stop you or Speaker 2 (13:01): Yeah. And even their intentions may be good as well. It's just that you know yourself better than anyone else. Speaker 1 (13:10): Of course they, all people meant good. Cause I'm not saying that they weren't would have been, Speaker 2 (13:19): I totally agree about trusting your instincts, trusting your own instincts. Um, sometimes that goes against what other people want for you or think that you should do. I think if you trust yourself, Speaker 1 (13:35): But it's, it's difficult to say. Um, because many times all those, uh, sideways are important too, because for, for a person to, to become herself, you need those, uh, like down downhills or Speaker 2 (13:54): Down times, there are times where you, where things aren't all going. So, so well, Speaker 1 (14:00): It's good. Good to believe in your projects and believe in you. Cause sometimes get something, some, some, some someday it can, or like all this work is like coming back to you. Speaker 2 (14:17): Yeah. Well, the effort that you've put in over the years is starting to come back. You're getting the, the fruits of your efforts. And I feel because this is when I sort of, when I first knew you or first got to know you or first met you even, um, it seemed like this is your, this is the zone where it's all going really well really well. So I've not known you when, when you've obviously like with any actress and any sort of, um, performer in creative arts, they must have times where it's very difficult to get roles. There must be times where the phone's not ringing anymore and it must be an anxious feeling. Um, but ever since I've known you, I think it it's, uh, it's on a high, so 2021 we're in a new year. What are your plans for 2021 continue working hard and trying to complete my, um, projects and trying to try my best with my auditions and trying to learn new accents and new, um, words but to improve all the time. Well, okay. Well, all of my questions have been asked and I want to say thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to interview Eeva it has been a pleasure Speaker 3 (15:54): Now for the highlights Jessica's gems Speaker 2 (16:10): Yeah. Um, what do you, turning points? What does turning points mean? Right. Turning point, um, is kind of in the word itself. Um, and it's very often, it's very often, um, relating to someone's life. For example, if, if anyone at anyone that's reached adulthood can look back on the line of their life so far how it's progressed or what's happened and they can think, okay, they can find turning points. In other words, it's a, uh, an event or a period of time when something happens that takes you away from the path or takes you to a different path. So for example, and it could be so many different things. Um, if I can, if I, I think the first turning point in my life was moving from London to a little village in the, on the, you know, close to the sea, because know, so completely changed from living in a big city, to living in a small village. Speaker 2 (17:28): And my life in the two locations was very, very different and it went on a different path. Um, and I think, I believe that more or less anyone can look back to a significant event in their life, which changed. And in other words, that's a turning point and a turning point could be lots of things. It could be a marriage when you got married, it could be when you got divorced, it could be when you got ill or it could be when you moved to another country, it could be so many things and everyone's got different turning points. And, and Jessica, if you look back on your life, can you think of what a turning point would be? Speaker 4 (18:18): No, of course when I moved to Finland, it was a turning point because really it's a different country, different culture, different people. If you compare with Italians and with Italy actually, uh, it was, uh, when I got ill, um, six years ago, actually another turning point. Yeah. Know exactly what I mean then. Yeah. I mean, yes. Speaker 2 (18:49): Yeah, of course go back from the beginning of your life, to what you can remember the far reaches of your memory. And think the first turning point was when we moved from, you know, to Milan or whatever, um, or you could go the other way, which you just did. Your last big turning point was moving to Finland before that was getting ill before, you know, so you can go whatever way, but I think everyone's got turning points. I, you know, I've never actually Speaker 4 (19:19): Think so. Speaker 2 (19:20): I think so when they get to an adult age, I mean, obviously if they're young, like pre 10 they might not really have any, but I think by the time you get to an adult, I would say most people would have a turning point where something, an event has changed, changed their path. Yeah. Speaker 4 (19:38): Uh, but, uh, of course they are the turning points, in my opinion, in some, in some way they are necessary because they it's a way of, uh, improving yourself. I mean, if you don't change yourself, if you don't, I mean, if you are stuck in a, in your routine is really, it is like to be dead. It's the same thing. In my opinion, even though some turning points are painful, painful and, but then is they're necessary to improve yourself. Speaker 2 (20:16): I, I, I of course agree, but I think that it's almost impossible to go through life without having them because they're very forced on you as well. You know, for example, illness, you know, you can get you to go through very little change for your, for most, most of your life. In other words, you could live in the same town or village or whatever, but in the end there will be things to face in the end, there will be turning points and you might not be honest until you want. So, yeah, exactly. So I would say they are part of life. Yeah. Very good. Okay. So you understand what a turning point is really? Without any doubt that I need that I have a curiosity, what is the West End. Oh, the West End. Okay. So that must've come out in Carly's interview. Yeah. Well she, yeah, well, the West end is, um, is basically an area of London and it's, it's specifically known for theaters, very, very many theaters, many really established ones that have been there for hundreds of years. Speaker 2 (21:37): Um, and in a way people may, may have heard of Broadway, New York, that's like theater land of New York. And the West end is theater land of London. So it's like in a very established place, which is synonymous with theater and acting. So that's what, so she was happy because she got into a play Romeo and Juliet in the West end. And that means there is not in a periphery theater. It's actually right in the center of theatre land, which meant, you know, is quite good for a career at that time. So that's why it was sort of a lot, a lot of that is especially theater actors, dream of getting into the West end or dream, you know, to get into a show in Broadway. So it's kind of, um, an achievement to be able to do it. Speaker 5 (22:30): Don't forget to comment when something is on your mind, check us [email protected]. Bye.
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By John WedlakeThis is part 2 of the interview with Eeva Putro who is an actress and the writer of the 2020 screenplay for the film 'Tove' which is a biopic look at Tove Jansson the creator of the world phenomenon 'Moomins'
In Jessica's Gems, we talk about what is meant by 'turning points' and I try to answer more of Jessica's curiosities
Come and visit us at www.englishonair.com
Transcription:
Speaker 1 (00:11): Interesting guests and teach English at the same time. In this podcast, we have a very special guest. She's an actress and a writer from Finland it's Eeva Putro, this is the second part of Eeva's interview or is it just for work like, so you're asked to write something and then you do it. How do, how does it run with the, with the writing? And mostly it's, it's a calling, a calling for ideas. It's, um, it's not a calling for writing itself. That's more like for this, I need to, I need to write this character or I need to put this into a story, or sometimes I get, gets a feeding that I need to write about this, but the writing itself is not a calling. Right. So it's kind of solidifying ideas if you like and getting them down on paper so that they become something rather than just becoming nothing. Speaker 1 (01:17): Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm very eager to, to create interesting female characters, because I think that the world is lacking a good female characters and that's my, basically that's the call for me create female characters. Okay. I know so many female actors, actresses who are very talented and lacking opportunities to work. So it would be nice to, to create as many female characters as I can or have time to do in my life. Okay. So, so with the thoughts that those characters will have to be played by actors and to give more people work. Yeah. That's one, one side of it. I, I think that, um, all those little girls who, uh, like looking at these movies and TDC areas need role models, more opportunities to see themselves in different roles and different like, strong roles and multilayered, um, roles. And now you, right. Um, well, you certainly have skills in, in a few languages that I know of. So you, your, your mother tongue is Finnish, but when you were in Tove as an actress, so aside from the writing of the screenplay, as an actress, you were speaking in Swedish, I speak to you in English, and I know that you speak Russian. So there's a lot of languages flying around there. Do you write in different languages? Speaker 1 (03:19): Basically, I write most fluently in Finnish, of course, but that's the second fluent writing language is Swedish, perhaps because I used to practice a lot by, um, messaging with people in, in Swedish language. And, uh, and the third one is basically English. I've written a screenplay in English once, but I guess it's still, um, a thing that is that's slows me down a bit too much if I try to write in English or in, in Swedish, Speaker 2 (04:00): You're absolutely right. Writing in your mother, tongue is far easier, um, than writing in a second or third language. I think that goes without saying, but the, the screenplay that you wrote in English, which one was that? What, what was that about? Speaker 1 (04:18): It was, uh, the thesis work in, in my school, uh, screen writing university. Speaker 2 (04:28): I would lots of read that Eeva. Speaker 1 (04:34): Uh, it's only the second draft and I would need to rewrite it. Speaker 2 (04:40): Okay. But I might, so I'm allowed to ask you again in the future, if I could read that, because it'd be really interesting. So go going back to Tove that the, the actual screenplay, uh, which, so it was in Swedish. Um, they, they, they, the, the language is the same was in Swedish. Did you write it, did you write the screenplay in Swedish Speaker 1 (05:03): No? I wrote it in, in Finnish, but it was translated into Swedish language and into English too, because there were so many people who needed to comment and give feedback. And then I started again in Finnish, and then it got translated and so on. So writing is really writing. So that's why we needed to translate it many times. Speaker 2 (05:34): Do you think that, um, what about Russian? Have you ever written anything like a screenplay, for example, in Russian? Speaker 1 (05:41): Um, good question. No, to write in Russian it's far too slow for me, because those really Cyrillic, uh, how, how, how do you say it? Speaker 2 (05:56): Mm, uh, letters, Speaker 1 (05:59): Uh, pace. Speaker 2 (06:01): Okay. Well that must, that must be really, really difficult. It's hard enough to write in another language, but when you've got another alphabet, that must be really, really difficult. Speaker 1 (06:11): I can speak quite fluently in and I can act obviously in Russian, but to write it's so slow that I don't have, I can't say I, I could write in Russian. Speaker 2 (06:27): Okay. If have you got then have you got a favorite writer or, or a favorite book that you can tell us about? Speaker 1 (06:34): Unfortunately, most of them are written by men. I tried to find something which is, which would be very important for me written by female authors. Um, but my, one of my favorites is Mika Waltari with Sinuhe, Egyptian. Speaker 2 (06:58): You know what, that's one of the, I, that's the only book of Mika Valtari that I've actually read. So, yeah. Okay. So [inaudible], Speaker 1 (07:09): Did you like it Speaker 2 (07:12): To be, to be honest, I could, it was one of those situations where I could completely see that he was a fantastic writer, but the story somehow didn't didn't go well with me. It was so detailed, but it didn't grasp me where I just, I was so, so it was a book that I could put down. Whereas if I have read certain books, you know, very rarely, I would say that I find a book that I can't put down, but that's the loveliest thing. When you find something that you literally cannot put down, but I didn't find that with that story. And it may have been the incredible detail that, that he wrote the story. Speaker 1 (07:57): I love details stories. Uh, for example, one of my favorites is, um, Marcel Proust . Speaker 2 (08:04): Yes. Yes. I've not read any of his work, but yeah, yeah, I know him Speaker 1 (08:11): I adore how he his writing and yeah, that's fine. Others. I love Roald Dahl Speaker 2 (08:22): All ever. That's that's nice because I introduced you to Roald Dahl. No you didn't, I thought I did Speaker 1 (08:32): From him. Speaker 2 (08:35): Cause we'd been reading Ronaldo's stories. Short stories. Yes. Okay. Speaker 1 (08:41): From before. And I also like: Tolstoy, Steinbeck, Speaker 2 (08:48): You've got, I mean, just the, the writers that you've just mentioned, there's a big variation. They're all different. If you're doing, um, writing projects for work, what happens on those days when you're not really feeling creative or you're not on form, how do you deal with that? Speaker 1 (09:10): Then I'm a master of a procrastinating. So maybe I'm cleaning my home. And, um, I don't know, doing anything that comes into my mind. I go out and go to the gym to swim anything, Speaker 2 (09:36): Anything but doing that that's right. That's probably a good tactic. I would say Speaker 1 (09:43): Usually it helps because when I come home, I might be very, um, inspired to write and can't wait to take my laptop, and Speaker 2 (09:56): It's just the thing, mood changes. Doesn't it, it always changes. It never stays exactly the same. So it's sometimes best not to fight it and just go with it. Um, what's the, the best compliment you must've had plenty of compliments in your life, but what was the most sort of the best or the most memorable compliment that you've ever had? Speaker 1 (10:21): I'm quite good at forgetting about compliments. I don't know why it's a problem. I guess I should remember them and write them down and, uh, and take them when I feel depressed. Of course. But maybe someone told me once that I'm a comedian actress or I'm a, Um, very funny. That felt very good. Speaker 2 (10:53): Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, was it a comedy role you were doing or were you in some kind of workshop or Speaker 1 (11:01): Yes, it was some role. And one of my friends, uh, a movie director told me that they were, they had been talking about me with someone else and talking about my comedic skills, comic skills, comedic skills, and that felt especially good bit. Speaker 2 (11:24): Have you done any roles where you've been very dark? Speaker 1 (11:29): Yes. I guess I have done those too. Speaker 2 (11:33): Can you think of a role where you had to play someone with, you know, who was, who had a dark side to them or? Um, Speaker 1 (11:43): Not so that it would be like a psychopath or anything yet, but maybe in the future, that would be a challenge. Speaker 2 (11:54): Wouldn't it? Would you like to play a psychopath or some kind of, Speaker 1 (11:58): Yes, that's one of my dreams and I know that I could do it. Speaker 2 (12:06): I think you could do it. You can do it very well. Okay. Um, if you could go back to your younger self, if you could travel in time and you could go back to your 18 year old self Eeva Putro at 18, what advice would you give to Eeva Putro at 18? Well, she need any advice, Speaker 1 (12:33): Maybe not. She was very determined back then. Maybe I would say that you should trust, trust yourself and trust your instincts and just do it, listen to your heart. And don't waste time with listening to other people who are trying to stop you or Speaker 2 (13:01): Yeah. And even their intentions may be good as well. It's just that you know yourself better than anyone else. Speaker 1 (13:10): Of course they, all people meant good. Cause I'm not saying that they weren't would have been, Speaker 2 (13:19): I totally agree about trusting your instincts, trusting your own instincts. Um, sometimes that goes against what other people want for you or think that you should do. I think if you trust yourself, Speaker 1 (13:35): But it's, it's difficult to say. Um, because many times all those, uh, sideways are important too, because for, for a person to, to become herself, you need those, uh, like down downhills or Speaker 2 (13:54): Down times, there are times where you, where things aren't all going. So, so well, Speaker 1 (14:00): It's good. Good to believe in your projects and believe in you. Cause sometimes get something, some, some, some someday it can, or like all this work is like coming back to you. Speaker 2 (14:17): Yeah. Well, the effort that you've put in over the years is starting to come back. You're getting the, the fruits of your efforts. And I feel because this is when I sort of, when I first knew you or first got to know you or first met you even, um, it seemed like this is your, this is the zone where it's all going really well really well. So I've not known you when, when you've obviously like with any actress and any sort of, um, performer in creative arts, they must have times where it's very difficult to get roles. There must be times where the phone's not ringing anymore and it must be an anxious feeling. Um, but ever since I've known you, I think it it's, uh, it's on a high, so 2021 we're in a new year. What are your plans for 2021 continue working hard and trying to complete my, um, projects and trying to try my best with my auditions and trying to learn new accents and new, um, words but to improve all the time. Well, okay. Well, all of my questions have been asked and I want to say thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to interview Eeva it has been a pleasure Speaker 3 (15:54): Now for the highlights Jessica's gems Speaker 2 (16:10): Yeah. Um, what do you, turning points? What does turning points mean? Right. Turning point, um, is kind of in the word itself. Um, and it's very often, it's very often, um, relating to someone's life. For example, if, if anyone at anyone that's reached adulthood can look back on the line of their life so far how it's progressed or what's happened and they can think, okay, they can find turning points. In other words, it's a, uh, an event or a period of time when something happens that takes you away from the path or takes you to a different path. So for example, and it could be so many different things. Um, if I can, if I, I think the first turning point in my life was moving from London to a little village in the, on the, you know, close to the sea, because know, so completely changed from living in a big city, to living in a small village. Speaker 2 (17:28): And my life in the two locations was very, very different and it went on a different path. Um, and I think, I believe that more or less anyone can look back to a significant event in their life, which changed. And in other words, that's a turning point and a turning point could be lots of things. It could be a marriage when you got married, it could be when you got divorced, it could be when you got ill or it could be when you moved to another country, it could be so many things and everyone's got different turning points. And, and Jessica, if you look back on your life, can you think of what a turning point would be? Speaker 4 (18:18): No, of course when I moved to Finland, it was a turning point because really it's a different country, different culture, different people. If you compare with Italians and with Italy actually, uh, it was, uh, when I got ill, um, six years ago, actually another turning point. Yeah. Know exactly what I mean then. Yeah. I mean, yes. Speaker 2 (18:49): Yeah, of course go back from the beginning of your life, to what you can remember the far reaches of your memory. And think the first turning point was when we moved from, you know, to Milan or whatever, um, or you could go the other way, which you just did. Your last big turning point was moving to Finland before that was getting ill before, you know, so you can go whatever way, but I think everyone's got turning points. I, you know, I've never actually Speaker 4 (19:19): Think so. Speaker 2 (19:20): I think so when they get to an adult age, I mean, obviously if they're young, like pre 10 they might not really have any, but I think by the time you get to an adult, I would say most people would have a turning point where something, an event has changed, changed their path. Yeah. Speaker 4 (19:38): Uh, but, uh, of course they are the turning points, in my opinion, in some, in some way they are necessary because they it's a way of, uh, improving yourself. I mean, if you don't change yourself, if you don't, I mean, if you are stuck in a, in your routine is really, it is like to be dead. It's the same thing. In my opinion, even though some turning points are painful, painful and, but then is they're necessary to improve yourself. Speaker 2 (20:16): I, I, I of course agree, but I think that it's almost impossible to go through life without having them because they're very forced on you as well. You know, for example, illness, you know, you can get you to go through very little change for your, for most, most of your life. In other words, you could live in the same town or village or whatever, but in the end there will be things to face in the end, there will be turning points and you might not be honest until you want. So, yeah, exactly. So I would say they are part of life. Yeah. Very good. Okay. So you understand what a turning point is really? Without any doubt that I need that I have a curiosity, what is the West End. Oh, the West End. Okay. So that must've come out in Carly's interview. Yeah. Well she, yeah, well, the West end is, um, is basically an area of London and it's, it's specifically known for theaters, very, very many theaters, many really established ones that have been there for hundreds of years. Speaker 2 (21:37): Um, and in a way people may, may have heard of Broadway, New York, that's like theater land of New York. And the West end is theater land of London. So it's like in a very established place, which is synonymous with theater and acting. So that's what, so she was happy because she got into a play Romeo and Juliet in the West end. And that means there is not in a periphery theater. It's actually right in the center of theatre land, which meant, you know, is quite good for a career at that time. So that's why it was sort of a lot, a lot of that is especially theater actors, dream of getting into the West end or dream, you know, to get into a show in Broadway. So it's kind of, um, an achievement to be able to do it. Speaker 5 (22:30): Don't forget to comment when something is on your mind, check us [email protected]. Bye.