What is Burn 🔥 Out … We all experienced it at some points in our lives and sometimes more then once … where does it come from and how can we combat or challenge it to teach us something vitally good as our love for Pie??!?!!!  It definitely is a part of life and can teach as many lessons if our perspective is right on!!

This week on The Rise & Thrive OSJ Radio Hour, Saturday morning at 9:05AM on KZLS The Eagle 1640AM. In studio: My two favorite Brain 🧠 Guys Roger Anunsen and Michael Patterson does an excellent and Fantastic job in helping us understand Burn Out and the expert tools we have right inside our own brains to make delicious fun-filled pie out of Burn 🔥 Out from our brains 🧠 instead of just the empty Pie shell!

Roger Anunsen,Brain Expert!  Roger Anunsen is an award-winning educator, keynote speaker, cognitive intervention program consultant and brain health coach based in Oregon.  Roger is the president of MINDRAMP and introduced the MINDRAMP Method© at the University of Oxford.  He teaches college courses including The Aging Mind & an important course specifically redesigned for this challenging time Virtual Cognitive Activity Design.

Michael and Roger have both had TED Talks and have spoken at the Smithsonian Institution on brain science and aging. They promote the ideas of Refiring and Not Retiring! Live Well and Live Long!

Michael Patterson, Brain Expert! Michael C. Patterson is a scholar, educator and speaker who develops programs to promote successful aging, brain health, creativity and quality-of-life. Michael ran the award-winning Staying Sharp program at AARP and is founder and CEO of MINDRAMP Consulting. Michael is a certified brain health coach. He produces and hosts the MINDRAMP Podcast that provides practical advice on how to achieve Qualongevity.

MindRAMP Consulting

Website: mindramp.org

Podcast website: mindramp.buzzsprout.com

M. Patterson email: [email protected]

R. Anunsen email: [email protected]

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