Imbibing alcohol through the holes in their foreheads before stripping down to their pants and gurning at onlookers, Ben and Mark take a look at 2005's The Long Game and 1984's Vengeance on Varos.

Is The Long Game more (or less) than a 1980's Doctor Who tribute act? Is Vengeance on Varos REALLY as unrelentingly bleak and violent as it's made out to be? Just what is in these ice cubes by the way?

There's also a Bad Wolf theory that you've probably long forgotten.

Get in touch, as ever via [email protected] or at onthetimelash.wordpress.com