Fresh from attending COP26, Leon Daniels OBE has lunch with Ben Plowden, formerly of Transport for London, who is one of the country’s leading minds on urban planning, the environment and ensuring a sustainable lifestyle.

They chat about Independence Day and State of Fear, and why the climate emergency doesn’t feel like an emergency, in the way that Covid did last year. And, why COP26 was a partial success.

They chew over what’s happening in British Columbia – a wealthy industry country – that’s been knocked sideways, and why it’s a manifestation of change that’s already here.