Charles Eisenstein is a teacher, speaker and author of several books including Climate: A New Story, Sacred Economics and The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible. Charles and I set out to have a discussion embracing as many paradoxes, taboos and uncertainties as possible, and I think we did just that. We discuss the addictive nature of control, the similarities between skeptics and believers, the role we play in writing personal and collective narratives, the inevitable crisis that precedes any lasting change and the importance of seeing our lives within the context of much greater and more meaningful cycles.

Find out more about Charles at charleseisenstein.org and on Instagram and Twitter.

Charles' Book Recommendations: Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism by Chögyam Trungpa and Sakyong Mipham Rinpocheand and The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg

Songs featured: "The Times They Are A Changing'" by Medeski Scofield Martin & Wood and "The Louder I Call, The Faster It Runs" by Wye Oak.

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