Rick Perry and W. Bryan Hubbard is one of the more unexpected and important psychedelic conversations Rogan has had in a while. Perry, the former Governor of Texas and U.S. Secretary of Energy, joins Hubbard to make the case for ibogaine as a serious medical tool for addiction, PTSD, brain injury, and veteran mental health.

The episode gets into why ibogaine remains illegal in the U.S., what advocates believe it can do for opioid dependence, and why Perry has become such a passionate supporter of medicalizing it. It is part science, part politics, part recovery conversation, and part "how is Rick Perry the guy leading this charge?" Rogan pushes into the promise, the risks, and the bigger question of whether America is ready to rethink psychedelic medicine.

A fascinating episode about addiction, trauma, veterans, and one of the most controversial treatments being discussed in mental health today.

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