In this new series Struggling to Stay Joy Fueled and Jesus Led, Toni invites you into conversations between her and her husband, Matt Daniels. These conversations are going to be completely unplanned, where Toni shares something that recently triggered her and then asks Matt to help make sense of what is going on.

In this episode, Matt helps Toni understand why some institutional churches shut down a movement like Godly Play when it is actually creating true character transformation among their congregants and children, and in turn creating Vibrant Families of Jesus. for more information about Godly Play go to https://www.godlyplayfoundation.org/