In this  episode of the Healthcare Education Transformation Podcast, Dr. F. Scott Feil speaks with clinician, educator, and thought leader Dr. Mark Kargela about the limitations of traditional tissue-based physical therapy models and the rise of pain science-informed care. From his own educational journey and disillusionment with manual therapy to embracing ambiguity and patient-centered narratives, Dr. Kargela shares insights on how clinicians can better address the complex 10–20% of patients who don't respond to conventional care. The conversation dives into how physical therapists can use psychologically informed strategies, adopt wellness-based business models, and even leverage epigenetics and culturally aware care to improve long-term outcomes. If you’re a PT, educator, or student, this episode is a masterclass in clinical growth, communication, and the future of healthcare delivery.

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Website: ModernPainCare.com
YouTube & Podcast: Modern Pain Podcast
Instagram/Threads: @mkargeldpt
Waitlist for Upcoming Pain Program: modernpaincare.com/painprogram

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