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Lacing Up and Walking Out: Audrey Hilliker on the Psychology of Breaking the Spell
Therapist and trauma specialist Audrey Hilliker joins Robyn and Alyse to share the story of how she broke free from a high-control spiritual mentorship—one that promised ascension and certification, but delivered financial exploitation, public shaming, and psychological manipulation.
Audrey’s voice was pivotal in breaking the spell. In this episode, she shares how her clinical mind and intuitive body worked together to name what was really going on—and how she found her way back to herself.
🎧 Topics include:
• Red flags and cognitive dissonance
• Psychological abuse in “spiritual” mentorship
• What it feels like to be gaslit by a charismatic leader
• The moment she realized: I think I’m in a cult
• What therapists need to know to support clients through spiritual harm
This episode changes everything you thought you knew about Betty. Once you listen, you’ll never see her the same way again.
✨ Reserve your free copy of Healing the Healers - it's coming in April. A guide for therapists and spiritual guides supporting clients after spiritual harm:
https://robyn-mckay.myflodesk.com/healingthehealers
📲 Join the live debrief
Mondays at 10 a.m. MST on Instagram:
@robynmckayphd + @alyse_breathes
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 By Dr. Robyn McKay
By Dr. Robyn McKay5
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Lacing Up and Walking Out: Audrey Hilliker on the Psychology of Breaking the Spell
Therapist and trauma specialist Audrey Hilliker joins Robyn and Alyse to share the story of how she broke free from a high-control spiritual mentorship—one that promised ascension and certification, but delivered financial exploitation, public shaming, and psychological manipulation.
Audrey’s voice was pivotal in breaking the spell. In this episode, she shares how her clinical mind and intuitive body worked together to name what was really going on—and how she found her way back to herself.
🎧 Topics include:
• Red flags and cognitive dissonance
• Psychological abuse in “spiritual” mentorship
• What it feels like to be gaslit by a charismatic leader
• The moment she realized: I think I’m in a cult
• What therapists need to know to support clients through spiritual harm
This episode changes everything you thought you knew about Betty. Once you listen, you’ll never see her the same way again.
✨ Reserve your free copy of Healing the Healers - it's coming in April. A guide for therapists and spiritual guides supporting clients after spiritual harm:
https://robyn-mckay.myflodesk.com/healingthehealers
📲 Join the live debrief
Mondays at 10 a.m. MST on Instagram:
@robynmckayphd + @alyse_breathes
36ka1AiYlExMO2y1JxEt