In this unflinching and wide-ranging conversation, Robyn welcomes back bestselling coach and author Nicole Cherie Hesse, whose new novel A Shadow Called Sunshine is fiction-ish, soul-coded, and anything but self-help as usual.

This episode explores:

• Why Nicole wrote a novel instead of a business book

• The dangers of turning survivorship into an identity

• How trauma bonding gets masqueraded as empowerment

• The rise of the relatable trauma brand—and why Nicole’s not here for it

• The cultural spell of Twilight, 50 Shades, and “healing” arcs that leave women stuck

• What it means to choose the pattern interrupt

• The So That What movement and how it builds beyond #MeToo

Plus, we reflect on our own experiences with narcissistic abuse, spiritual trauma, and what it means to hold radical responsibility without shame.

If you’ve ever been sold the story that being chosen by a powerful person was the win—this one will set the record (and your nervous system) straight.

• Order A Shadow Called Sunshine: sothatwhat.org

• Join the So That What Telegram group: sothatwhat.org

• Connect with Nicole: @unicornsonlyauthor on IG

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The one with the polyamory plot twist

In this inaugural episode of their monthly podcast, Robyn and Alyse are back behind the mic and pulling zero punches. With a name (finally) and a whole lot of opinions, the duo dives into:

• The origin story of this very podcast (spoiler: ChatGPT may or may not be to blame)

• A spicy little detour on the blank slate model still being taught in therapy training (?!), and how that relates to self-disclosure, clean fields, and the ethics of being real

• A collective side-eye toward the Aubrey Marcus “Radical Monogamy” situation and what it reveals about manipulation in spiritual branding

• The difference between intuition vs. influence in the age of algorithmic consensus

• A lowkey philosophical throwdown on trauma-as-performance, the relatability-industrial complex, and why your story doesn’t have to be tragic to be powerful

• AI weirdness, deep-fake Brene Brown, and the art of trusting your own energy over what the algorithm tells you is real

From Barbie-core psychotherapy flashbacks to high-level insights on consent, discernment, and the post-Bewitched era, Robyn and Alyse are here to decode the culture, name the patterns, and say what everyone else is (very politely) not.

New episodes drop monthly.

Title: Don't Let Them.

Vibes: Phoebe from Friends + Elaine from Seinfeld, but make it multidimensional.

Join me over in the House of Sheology for weekly lives where I teach about how to create premium offers that hold all of your medicine and feel just as good selling as they do delivering.

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Welcome back to the House of Sheology, the podcast for spiritually intelligent leaders who are building lives, businesses, and bodies of work that are both profitable and principled.

This week’s episode is part of what I’m calling the After Series—conversations that were recorded before we officially closed the book on the entity formerly known as “Betty,” but that carry essential codes and clarity for this moment in time.

You’re about to hear the audio from one of our most powerful Instagram Lives—a Debriefed conversation with my cohost Alyse Bacine and our guest, Elizabeth Purvis. At the time, we were still inside the unraveling, still metabolizing the lessons. Listening now, from the other side of the spell, the wisdom hits even deeper.

In this episode, we explore what it means to walk the path of eldership, why powerful women so often remain silent in the face of manipulation, and how to find your voice—again. There’s a little tarot (you’ll know which card), a lot of truth, and yes... a brief and very joyful nod to Phoebe Buffay.

If you’ve ever questioned your instincts inside a mentorship…
If you’ve ever wondered why you stayed longer than you wanted to…
If you’re ready to hold yourself—and your students—to higher standards of spiritual maturity and leadership…

This one’s for you.

In this episode, we explore:

• What spiritual eldership really means—and how you know you’re ready

• The role of shame in silencing powerful women

• The nuances of mentorship, projection, and unmet needs

• Why we stayed, how we left, and what we’ve reclaimed since

• How the archetypes of the Empress and that Tarot card shape our stories

• The importance of writing it down—and saying it out loud

• Elizabeth’s return to teaching the Akashic Records

• Alyse’s full-circle moment as a teacher

• And yes… the long-awaited Smelly Cat video makes its official debut. You can watch right here (I apologize in advance) 🎸

Featured Offerings:
🌟 Download Elizabeth's book The 7-figure Goddess

🌟Elizabeth’s Akashic Records Training is open now—a fresh start for a sacred tool. Find out more right here.

🌬️ Alyse’s Metamorphosis Method begins soon: her signature program for clearing ancestral patterns and claiming your power. DM her on IG: @alyse_breathes for more information

🌀Robyn's C-Suite, is accepting new members—a 9-month executive roundtable for intuitive women codifying their multidimensional modalities, and marketing & selling premium and high-ticket programs. Check the C-Suite

✍️ Healing the Healers—Robyn's forthcoming ebook for practitioners supporting clients after spiritual harm. Reserve your copy now right here.

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🎧 Follow the podcast and leave a review
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Thank you so much for being part of this conversation.

We love you a million.

Episode 13 — The One Where We Close the Book

After 13 episodes and 11 powerful stories, we’ve arrived at the final chapter of Season One.

This series has been called groundbreaking.
It’s also been called the most important conversation on the internet right now.

In this episode, Robyn and Alyse reflect on what’s been revealed, remembered, and reclaimed—and what happens when we stop centering the so-called leader and start listening to the women who walked away.

We explore the patterns that emerged across every story—trauma bonding, isolation tactics, emotional whiplash, psychic manipulation, and manufactured loyalty—as well as the psychological architecture behind it all. Robyn brings forward insights from personality psychology and spiritual intelligence, and Alyse maps the energetics of trauma-based mind control and recovery.

We also name what Bewitched is—and what it is not.

This was never a cult exposé.
It was never about revenge.
It’s about clarity. Integrity. Discernment.
And the women who chose to tell the truth.

In this episode, we cover:

• Why we didn’t reveal Betty’s identity—and why that matters

• The patterns of manipulation seen across all 11 stories

• The contrast between the Dark Tetrad and the Light Triad

• How personality traits like openness, agreeableness, and unhealed trauma made us vulnerable to harm

• Why the decision to tell these stories now is a reclaiming of voice, power, and consciousness

• What happens next—for us, and for the field of spiritual leadership

Robyn also shares the moment she knew it was time to speak.
And she closes the season with the words her dear friend Barb gives her every time she leaves the farm in Kansas:

“Now, voyager—sail thou forth to seek and find.”

~Walt Witman

What's next?

🔮 Join Us Live

We’re hosting one final Instagram Live to Wrap Up Season :
🗓️ Monday, May 12 at 10 a.m. PT
📍 @robynmckayphd + @alyse_breathes
We’ll reflect, answer your questions, and share what’s next.

✨ Healing the Healers: 11 Things Every Spiritually Intelligent Leader Needs to Know About Helping Clients After Spiritual Harm

📖 Reserve Your CopyRobyn’s new ebook is now available to reserve. This is your next step if you’ve been listening and thinking: Now what?
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Episode 11 of Bewitched: Breaking the Spell After Spiritual Mentoring Goes Wrong

Baljit Rayat was there in the beginning.
The first student.
The one who trusted deeply, taught faithfully, and stayed loyal — even after her intuition told her something wasn’t right.

In this episode, Baljit shares her story of spiritual mentorship turned sideways: the gaslighting, the psychic tracking, the grief, and the moment in Santa Fe when the portal was opened… and something else walked in.

Baljit’s episode arrives on Beltane — a sacred day of fire and fertility, crowned also by May Day, when Catholics honor Mary, the Divine Mother. It also marks the 11th story in the series — a number known in numerology as a gateway, a spiritual master number, a turning point.

What she reveals in this conversation is layered and lucid — including:

• The early years of deep trust and transformation

• Her experience with fawning and subtle coercion

• How she now sees signs of spiritual psychosis

• The energetic aftermath: psychic tracking, sexual energy blocks, and more

• And the unexpected role she may have played as a “handler” inside the system

I trusted her.

I carried her work.

I stayed loyal.

And then I saw what it had become.

This is the final story before the season finale.

The spell is nearly broken.

Links & Mentions:
– Baljit Rayat’s music and work: https://www.baljitrayat.com/
– Connect with Robyn on Instagram: @robynmckayphd
– Connect with Alyse Bacine: @alyse_breathes
– Reserve your copy of Healing the Healers ebook (right here)
– Join the conversation: DM Robyn or Alyse, or share your story at [email protected]

Some women are with you until the very last page of the story. Brenda is one of them.

In this week’s episode, Alyse and I sit down with Brenda, who knew “Betty” since 2016 and stayed close through two major retreats—including the last one in Croatia.

Her reflections are grounded, insightful, and offer a rare perspective on what it means to stay, witness, and ultimately walk away with clarity.

This isn’t a dramatic tell-all.

It’s a steady, clear conversation about what happens when truth begins to override loyalty.

In this episode:

• Why staying ‘too long’ is often part of the process

• The subtle distortion of gaslighting over time

• How Brenda found her way out—not in a blaze, but with quiet strength

• What it really looks like to reclaim clarity after spiritual confusion

• Why women like Brenda matter to the narrative

✨ Also inside:

• The difference between devotion and entanglement

• The moment the spell breaks—and what comes next

• A few solid nods to our Friends fandom (could we be any more obvious?)

📖 Supporting clients through spiritual harm recovery?
Reserve your copy of Healing the Healers—our guide for therapists, coaches, and multidimensional practitioners. It’s practical, resonant, and ready when you are.

🎸 Missed the Phoebe moment?
Yes, I finally released the guitar video. Phoebe Buffay hair, guitar, a little sass, and a lot of heart. Watch here.

⚡️PS: There’s only one more episode before the season finale.
So if you’ve been riding the Thursday wave with us—don’t miss this one.

Same time, same spell-breaking vibe.

We’ll see you next week.

Episode Title: The One Where She Said What Needed to Be Said
Podcast Series: Bewitched: Breaking the Spell After Spiritual Mentoring Goes Wrong
Guest: Elizabeth Purvis

Episode Description:
Before there was Betty, there was Elizabeth Purvis—a brilliant teacher, skilled magician, and established transformational leader whose work was already flourishing long before Betty entered the scene.

In The One Where She Said What Needed to Be Said, Elizabeth joins Robyn and Alyse to share the story she’s never told publicly. Not because she was hiding it—but because the moment had to be right. And now, it is.

This episode pulls back the curtain on what happens when leadership turns to manipulation, when discernment gets clouded by charisma, and when a trusted mentor crosses the line from inspiration into appropriation. Elizabeth speaks with clarity, grace, and grounded power as she recounts the years-long arc of her relationship with Betty—culminating in the ultimate irony: being accused of copying the very material Betty quietly took from her.

This is not just a story about what went wrong. It’s a conversation about reclaiming your space. About choosing truth over comfort. About leading with both power and integrity—even when it costs you something.

As always, we've changed the name of the mentor ("Betty") and the retreat locations. But the story? True, blue, and unfiltered.

Mentioned in this episode:

• What to watch for when a mentor starts crossing the line

• How Elizabeth’s magical lineage shaped her discernment and devotion to ethical practice

• Why spiritually intelligent, high-achieving women are often targeted—and how to see it sooner

• The difference between divine neutrality and emotional disconnection

• What it looks like to reclaim your leadership after being accused of copying work she originated—and choosing to walk away with integrity

Take the next step:✨ Reserve your copy of Healing the Healers, our guide for therapists, coaches, and multidimensional practitioners supporting clients after spiritual harm.

🗓 Join us for the live Instagram debrief: Monday at 10 a.m. PT with Robyn, Alyse, and Elizabeth

Where to find Elizabeth Purvis:

• Website: 7figuregoddess.com

• Book (great intro to her work): 7figuregoddessbook.com

• Facebook (where she hangs out most): @elizpurvis

Subscribe + Share:If this episode stirred something in you, consider sharing it with a friend or colleague. We’re building a movement of clarity, integrity, and high-frequency leadership.

Same time, same spell-breaking vibe next Thursday.

Lacing Up and Walking Out: Audrey Hilliker on the Psychology of Breaking the Spell

Therapist and trauma specialist Audrey Hilliker joins Robyn and Alyse to share the story of how she broke free from a high-control spiritual mentorship—one that promised ascension and certification, but delivered financial exploitation, public shaming, and psychological manipulation.

Audrey’s voice was pivotal in breaking the spell. In this episode, she shares how her clinical mind and intuitive body worked together to name what was really going on—and how she found her way back to herself.

🎧 Topics include:
• Red flags and cognitive dissonance
• Psychological abuse in “spiritual” mentorship
• What it feels like to be gaslit by a charismatic leader
• The moment she realized: I think I’m in a cult
• What therapists need to know to support clients through spiritual harm

This episode changes everything you thought you knew about Betty. Once you listen, you’ll never see her the same way again.

✨ Reserve your free copy of Healing the Healers - it's coming in April. A guide for therapists and spiritual guides supporting clients after spiritual harm:

https://robyn-mckay.myflodesk.com/healingthehealers

📲 Join the live debrief
Mondays at 10 a.m. MST on Instagram:
@robynmckayphd + @alyse_breathes

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Bewitched: Louisa Havers — The Oracle Was You All Along"

In this powerful episode of Bewitched, Robyn is joined by trusted colleague and spiritual guide Louisa Havers, one of the first people she reached out to after returning from her own 24-day misadventure with the spiritual teacher we call "Betty."

Louisa shares her deeply personal journey—from reverence to realization—and how her initial awe of a seemingly gifted mentor slowly unraveled into a web of spiritual manipulation, gaslighting, and trauma bonding. With wisdom, discernment, and grace, Louisa names the patterns and reclaims her power.

Together, we explore:

• Why intuitive “authority” can become dangerously distorted

• What trauma bonding can look like in spiritual mentorship

• The consequences of confusing charisma with credibility

• How Louisa made sense of what happened—and found her way back to herself

⚠️ Trigger Warning: This episode includes references to spiritual abuse, gaslighting, and manipulation. Please listen with care.

💡 Looking for the clinical lens on all this? Robyn and Dr. Barbara Kerr recorded a special crossover episode on Two Shrinks on the Farm where they dive deep into the psychological profile of spiritual manipulators. It’s a potent companion to this episode. Listen here → (link to be inserted)

📘 Robyn’s new ebook, Healing the Healers: 11 Things Every Spiritually Intelligent Leader Needs to Know About Guiding Clients After Spiritual Harm, is coming soon. Reserve your copy here → (link to be inserted)

Find us on IG: @robynmckayphd @ alyse_breathes @louisahavers

📲 If this conversation resonates, please share it and leave a review—it helps us keep spreading the message and breaking the spell, one story at a time.

🌀 Be sure to join us for our weekly debrief session — Monday at 10 a.m. PT on IG Live (@robynmckayphd). Follow along, bring your questions, and share the episode with someone who needs to hear it.

What happens when the shiny promise of spiritual business mentorship loses its sparkle?

In this episode of Bewitched, we sit down with Nicole Cherie Hesse—founder of Real Unicorns Don’t Wear Pants—to talk about what happens when a mentorship experience veers into something… less than magical. Nicole shares her personal story of disillusionment inside a spiritual business container and the process of reclaiming her direction on the other side.

We explore the difference between mentoring and manipulation, the red flags that are easy to ignore when you're under someone's spell, and how smart, intuitive women can find their way back to clarity and confidence.

This conversation is a reminder: just because something is spiritual doesn’t mean it’s sacred. And just because you were once under the spell doesn’t mean you can’t break it.

Follow Nicole on Instagram: @moneymakingunicorns
Follow Alyse on Instagram: @alyse_breathes
Follow Robyn on Instagram: @robynmckayphd

✨ Reserve your copy of Dr. Robyn McKay’s brand new ebook Healing the Healers — a guide for spiritually intelligent leaders who are here to restore, protect, and liberate human consciousness: https://robyn-mckay.myflodesk.com/healingthehealers