In this episode, we have journalist Garrett Graff joining us to talk about his latest book, "UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government’s Search for Alien Life Here—and Out There." Garrett's interest in this subject was piqued when former CIA director John Brennan publicly acknowledged his belief in the reality of UFOs. With a blend of open-mindedness and healthy skepticism, Garrett delves into this intriguing topic, exploring the government's quest for answers about alien life both on Earth and beyond.

BIO: Garrett M. Graff, a distinguished journalist and internationally bestselling historian, has spent nearly two decades covering politics, technology, and national security—helping to explain where we’ve been and where we’re headed. The former editor of Washingtonian and POLITICO Magazine and a contributing editor to WIRED Magazine, Graff is the author of multiple books, including the #1 national bestseller The Only Plane in the Sky: An Oral History of 9/11, as well as The Threat Matrix: Inside Robert Mueller’s FBI, and Raven Rock, about the government’s Cold War Doomsday plans. His book Watergate: A New History was a finalist in 2023 for the Pulitzer Prize in History, and his most recent book is UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government’s Search for Alien Life Here—and Out There.