Jim Rutledge, Molly Brown & Matt Hamilton continue discussing the Packers' getting their second straight win without starting quarterback Jordan Love. They shift from giving flowers to Matt LaFleur and Malik Willis, turning the attention to the team's new vibes defense under Jeff Hafley. When can we start buying in to say that THIS time the Packers is actually legit under a new defensive coordinator? How much stock do you put into metrics other than just points allowed, and is this defense better or just more entertaining? Jim also invents a new way to eat barbecue (in the shower), and Matt is SOOO impressed by Caleb Williams setting the Bears' new single-game rookie passing record. Throwing Stones includes takes on Monday Night Football double-headers, double-negative news headlines, and do Packers fans have a Bears fan filer for anything Jim says? They go out to the Great Dane in Hilldale for Crosstalk featuring "The Don" himself, Barry Alvarez! Jim sets the record straight with Barry, who called out his "preposterous" twitter poll last week. Was Jim actually misrepresented by Alex G, and does Barry accept his "apology"?