People who think they're too smart or savvy to get scammed are the perfect target for social engineering scammers. Today's guest is Jordan Harbinger. Jordan is a lawyer, speaker, entrepreneur, and educator. In addition to hosting the amazingly popular Jordan Harbinger Show, he is a consultant for law enforcement, military, and consulting companies, a member of the New York State BAR Association, and the Northern California chapter of The Society of Professional Journalists.

Show Notes:

• [0:47] - Jordan introduces himself and describes his popular podcast that has been active for 14 years.
• [1:35] - In the early 90s, as a middle schooler, Jordan discovered his interest in hacking and social engineering.
• [3:50] - As time went on, Jordan began messing around with cell phones he found.
• [6:17] - What really got Jordan interested in social engineering was listening in illegally on other peoples' phone calls for hours.
• [8:14] - In these phone calls, he listened to "real drama."
• [9:16] - Because of this, 13 year old Jordan realized that people are complex systems but can certainly still be reprogrammed.
• [10:20] - Jordan shares a story of someone he listened to when tapping into phone calls and what he learned from it as a teen.
• [14:47] - Manipulating someone who has a big ego or is narcissistic is one of the easiest triggers for social engineering.
• [17:23] - The easiest people to manipulate are the ones who think they are too smart to get caught up in a scam.
• [18:50] - As a teen, Jordan was always shocked at some of the things he tried that worked.
• [21:16] - Imagine what older and more technically savvy adults could do if Jordan as a 13 year old could figure out so much.
• [24:02] - Jordan and Chris reflect on how unsafe and naive society was in the 90s.
• [27:40] - Getting scammed is one of the worst feelings ever.
• [29:14] - Social engineering scams are very sophisticated these days.
• [31:40] - You can still trust people, but you have to be careful. If you don't trust anyone at all, you'll be miserable.

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