This week I am joined by real-estate mogul Brandon Fugal. Brandon is the last person you’d expect to have ties to the paranormal or the strange. But this year he went public as the owner of the world’s most famous paranormal hotspot: Skinwalker Ranch. He has a show on the History Channel called The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch, which is about to enter its second season.

We discuss what motivates him to invest his money and time into esoteric subjects and frontier science, how he came to acquire Skinwalker from billionaire and aerospace pioneer Robert Bigelow, Brandon’s own UFO sighting on the ranch, and much more.