Welsh Government Ministers only have an office on The Fifth Floor with the support of their backbench colleagues on the second floor, and with enough votes in the finely balanced Senedd.

This episode looks at the art and science of politics that Ministers need to confront to get things done.

Former Government Minister Lee Waters talks to former colleagues about the pressures faced inside Government.

The full set of interviews drawn on by this series have been published by Cardiff University :

https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/2888677/Cathays-Conversations-Lee-Waters-2025-01-14.pdf