[Wietse Van Ransbeeck](https://twitter.com/WietseVR), CEO of [Citizen Lab](https://www.citizenlab.co/) drops by the podcast for a conversation about democracy and civic participation. We'll also cover a bit about the role technology may play in both.

### Resources and Shoutouts:

- [Against Elections: The Case for Democracy](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29605509-against-elections?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=rSorZlgqRq&rank=1)

- [Open Democracy: Reinventing Popular Rule for the Twenty-First Century](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/52579179-open-democracy?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=1NEKKHdKeA&rank=2)