Gabrielle Caruthers spent 20 years in the cultural arts before launching a podcast to ask the questions the creative community wasn't talking about.

She's a Detroit-based dancer turned podcast host, educator, and creative entrepreneur, and the founder of the Starving Artist Development Podcast. Gabrielle and Julian dig into what it actually costs to call yourself an artist-as-business, how to be consistent without burning out, and the difference between being talented and having it. Plus: why she keeps going after burying her 19-year-old niece and what her niece taught her about betting on yourself.

IN THIS CONVERSATION, WE GET INTO:

• Why consistency without nuance is the real source of creative burnout
• The hard question: are financially ambitious artists in service to the public?
• Talent vs. work ethic, and why Gabrielle picks drive every time
• "It": what makes a star undeniable, and how you know when someone has it
• Betting on yourself after loss: the lesson Gabrielle's niece left behind

ABOUT GABRIELLE CARUTHERS:

Gabrielle Caruthers is a Detroit-based creative entrepreneur, dance educator, and podcast host with 20 years in cultural arts. She's the founder of the Starving Artist Development Podcast, where she interviews creatives and provides tools, resources, and community for artists navigating the business of their craft.

CONNECT WITH GABRIELLE:

• Instagram: www.instagram.com/gabriellecaruthers
• Threads: www.threads.net/@gabriellecaruthers
• Podcast: starvingartistdevelopment.com
• Listen on Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/starving-artist-development-podcast/id1855584910
• Listen on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/54zTKkJVf6n3jkb6b220LS

MORE RESOURCES:

Follow the OFFICIAL "loves music" playlist on Apple Music:https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX

"loves music" playlist on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg

Check out the "loves music" podcast website: https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/

Julian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/

Julian on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417

Check out Julian's book: https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD

This podcast is managed by Wildwave Podcasting: https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com

MUSIC MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

Albums & Projects:

• Take Care — Drake

Artists & Bands:

• Kendrick Lamar
• Nas
• Jay-Z
• Peebo Bryson
• Shania Twain
• Madonna
• Common
• Kanye West
• Erykah Badu
• Drake
• Prince
• Michael Jackson
• Slum Village
• J Dilla
• Eazy-E
• Mahogany Jones
• Miss Corona
• Trey Freeman
• Fonzo
• Shee Fee McFly
• Nick Speed