In this episode, Jacob sits down with his coach, Matt Welch, to officially kick off his Mesa Marathon build. It’s a raw and real look inside what it’s like when the coach gets coached—how Jacob takes feedback, navigates high mileage, and balances being both a coach and an athlete.

They break down the next 12 weeks of training leading into Mesa in February: the mindset behind stacking 60+ mile weeks, the importance of letting easy runs stay truly easy, and how to train while a little tired without burning out. Jacob and Matt dive into the details—downhill prep for quad durability, winter training in Minnesota, post-run sauna sessions, and fueling strategies designed to make the final 10K the strongest 10K.

For anyone curious what it looks like when a coach becomes the athlete—or what it really takes to prepare for a breakthrough marathon—this episode gives an inside look.

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