Are you wheeling around a pile of emotional baggage you’ve mistakenly labeled as your identity? In this recap episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell dive into the transformative insights shared by Shari Teigman, a dynamic performance coach and creative business strategist who specializes in guiding high achievers through major life transitions. Shari reveals why coming undone is the prerequisite for authenticity, especially for those navigating midlife identity shifts. The hosts break down the red shoes metaphor, the necessity of active emotional release, and why joy requires going massively deep internally.

 

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• How to unpack other people’s baggage to reclaim your own identity. 
• The grieving process is an important part of unpacking to feel joy. 
• Learn how Swedish death cleaning prevents leaving baggage for others.
• Why it’s important to acknowledge your emotions as neither good nor bad. 
• Clean up internal contradictions and choose intentional actions over excuses.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

So you ultimately have to understand why you keep repacking the same thing in order to finally get a chance to make any real choices. So I love this because, like, I feel like some people think that they're self-sabotaging, or they're in the same spiral, and it's like, yeah, but you kept packing the same stuff, expecting a new result. 

Brad Crowell 0:18  

Or you're carrying around the old shit. 

Lesley Logan 0:19  

Yes but and you just keep repacking the old shit, and that's why you don't get anything new. 

Lesley Logan 0:25  

Welcome to the be it till you see it, podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan Pilate instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained 1000s of people around the world, and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be it till you see it. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:07  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I

 are going to dig into the unraveling convo I had with Shari Teigman in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you can pause this one and then listen to that one, or you can listen to this one here. We have to say we've got some fun stuff to talk about, and then go listen that one. But you cannot miss it.

Brad Crowell 1:25  

It's an epic episode. 

Lesley Logan 1:26  

I want to be friends with her. 

Brad Crowell 1:27  

Yeah, she's badass.

Lesley Logan 1:29  

I do. We should tell her, when we're in London, I don't like I really. 

Brad Crowell 1:32  

We should tell her when we're in London. 

Lesley Logan 1:33  

I don't know how we're gonna fit in another meal, but like, she can meet me for I don't know. She's great. Anyway.,

Brad Crowell 1:39  

She might be in New York. She lives between the two. 

Lesley Logan 1:42  

She does live between the two. You know what? Then, if she doesn't at least we reached out. But, you know, at least we reached out. The sign that you have ADHD is that you want to hang out with someone, and then you hope that they're not available. 

Lesley Logan 1:53  

Okay, today, while you guys are listening to this is April 30th 2026 and today we're bringing awareness to two things. 

Brad Crowell 2:00  

Two things. 

Lesley Logan 2:01  

So Walpurgis night. 

Brad Crowell 2:03  

Walpurgis night.

Lesley Logan 2:03  

The Mass of St. Walpurgis Night or Walpurgis Night, is observed on April 30th in parts of northern and eastern Europe, from Sweden to the Czech Republic. It is known as Walpurgis in German speaking nations, Valborg in Sweden and Čarodejnice. 

Brad Crowell 2:20  

Good job. I'm really impressed. 

Lesley Logan 2:22  

There's a J and an N connected to each other. 

Brad Crowell 2:24  

Čarodejnice. 

Lesley Logan 2:26  

Čarodejnice because there's an E in there too. In the Czech Republic.

Brad Crowell 2:29  

We butchered the hell out of that. So if you don't know how to say it, send us a voicemail, send us a DM.

Lesley Logan 2:35  

You can, you can call us and leave us a message. And I would love to hear how to say that. (inaudible) Walpurgis Night is also known as the other Halloween. For example, on April 30th, a traditional Walpurgis night ritual involves the burning of an effigy of a witch on a campfire in Sweden. This is a bonfire night once thought to ward off evil spirits, but it's now a fun way to get rid of excess gardening trash. I'm here for the gardening trash. I'm not here for burning fucking witches. So, Brad, you sold me this wrong, because I didn't realize we're burning a witch. 

Brad Crowell 3:07  

It said an effigy of a witch.

Lesley Logan 3:09  

An effigy of a witch. That's burning a witch. This is we are upset. We're rejecting.

Brad Crowell 3:15  

Oh, yeah, it's the sculpture or model of a person. 

Lesley Logan 3:18  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 3:18  

Well, we're getting rid of those witches. 

Lesley Logan 3:20  

No, no, the witches are the healers, Brad, look it up. So the witches actually were the women healers who had all the information, and they kept it, and they passed it down to the other women about all these different ways to heal from different illnesses and aches and pains, and also how to do periods. And they had these wonderful, wonderful informations. And when they made those healers witches, those women became people that no one could talk to. They became untouchables. And so after three generations, you now no longer have history, and that is how they control you ladies, that's how they do it. So anyways, now that I've fixed that day, why don't you go on with the holiday that sounds way better?

Brad Crowell 3:59  

Oh yeah, we're not for burning witches. International Jazz Day, this is Brad's excitement here, join with people around the world as this day promotes jazz's roots and our intercultural influence every year, on April 30th. All that jazz. Many considered America's classical music, yeah, maybe, after all, jazz began in New Orleans over 100 years ago. Legendary jazz pianist and composer Herbie Hancock, along with, along with the UN helped create International Jazz Day in 2011. Read on for a musical look distinctly American art form, and don't miss out on a list of four cool jazz sub genres. 

Lesley Logan 4:36  

Brad, what are those four sub genres? 

Brad Crowell 4:38  

I have no idea, and didn't read the rest of that whole book. But what I can tell you is that this is something I love, I'm passionate about. I grew up listening on the way home from soccer practice with my dad, we would listen to 90.1 and it was Temple's Jazz, Temple Philadelphia Jazz station. So it really left an impact on me as a youngster, I got really into the music. And my dad wasn't really playing like performing jazz, but he does play the trombone. And was playing the trombone at the church, never playing jazz. He was always playing, you know, hymns and choirs, stuff, whatever. But, you know, I got really into that, and that was an inspiration as a kid to play the trombone myself. And then all through high school, I got really into jazz, and then I went to college for it, and I studied the trombone playing jazz there. And when I moved out to L.A. I sat all that down, and I started playing rock and roll with my bass guitar and singing and all that stuff. It was fun. But coming to Vegas, just down the street from where we live, is a lovely. 

Lesley Logan 5:34  

Less than a mile. It's like half a mile, maybe three quarters, but. 

Brad Crowell 5:37  

It is a hour that hosts a live jazz night every Monday night, and it's fantastic. Like the musicians are, you know, either grads or they're going through UNLV's Jazz programs. Some of them are doing their masters in music. And these guys get together and they jam every Friday. 

Lesley Logan 5:55  

Monday. 

Brad Crowell 5:55  

Every Monday, sorry, every Monday. And I have been very intentional about making sure I'm there. I just love listening. And I literally am, like, the super dork. People think I'm the manager or the owner of the bar. 

Lesley Logan 6:06  

Because he has his computer out, you guys, and he works.

Brad Crowell 6:08  

Because I take my laptop and I work in the back corner. 

Lesley Logan 6:10  

I'm like, 10 till 2. 10 pm till 2 am.

Brad Crowell 6:13  

Yeah, one. Usually I'm leaving around 1:15 but it's three hours of live jazz. They do three sets, and the third set is my favorite, because, talking about sub genres, they always start with, like, a little bit, like, you know, lower, more palatable, as it were, and by the end of the night they're playing, like, huge, like, intense fusion, crazy, like, like, like driving music. And I eat that up. I love that. I think it's, it is also my ADHD brain.

Lesley Logan 6:41  

Are we gonna tell them where to go for this jazz music? 

Brad Crowell 6:43  

Yeah, it's called The Hard Hat, The Hard Hat Bar. 

Brad Crowell 6:46  

You're trying to keep it to yourself but you're selling it. 

Brad Crowell 6:48  

Yeah, yeah. No one else will love to go. I have my spot in the corner, so. 

Lesley Logan 6:50  

Also, if you're in Vegas on a Monday night, there's not a lot to do. This is a thing you can do, and it's one of the oldest parts. It's not the oldest bar, but people think it is. It's one of the oldest bars.

Brad Crowell 6:59  

It was in the is started in the 60's, I think.

Lesley Logan 7:01  

Yeah. According to Las Vegas City (inaudible), it's the third oldest bar.

Brad Crowell 7:05  

Yeah, but we love it. I love it. Lesley has been there once I think. 

Lesley Logan 7:08  

Zero times. 

Brad Crowell 7:08  

Zero times? You've never been?

Lesley Logan 7:09  

You've never taken me. Nope. That's why.

Brad Crowell 7:10  

It's not I haven't taken you. You there's never a chance where you're awake. Zero chances that you're awake.

Lesley Logan 7:16  

There's zero chances, I mean, on a Monday night. But I here's the thing, guys, I gotta go, because Brad doesn't really under, like, he didn't really understand what like signals he was putting out one Monday night. These people were at his table where he has his computer so he can watch and be on his computer. So he just kept looking at the people at this table over and over and over again. 

Brad Crowell 7:35  

Yeah, I kept glancing and like, how many drinks are these people gonna have, like I want my corner. I like my little spot.  

Lesley Logan 7:41  

And then he, like, had us finally sit down with his back to them. So then he kept turning around and looking at them, and so they bought him a drink, thinking he was hitting on them.

Brad Crowell 7:52  

It's true. They definitely, I apparently got caught looking and and I realized, oh yeah, okay, that happened.

Lesley Logan 7:59  

Yeah, I'm just fine when you're table, although I this would happen to anybody like us, because, like, I'm near my table, that's my spot. Anyways, I'll get to The Hard Hat one of these days, one of these Tuesdays, I won't have to get up at five in the morning, so I'll check it out. But go, go listen to some jazz. Go just play it on your Spotify today, because it's International Jazz Day.

Brad Crowell 8:14  

If you want, if you want some recommendations, I'm a big fan of a US based group. They're from DC area. They're named Snarky Puppy, and it's, it's a really cool group, because they are like a mix of different musicians that will come in and leave. So sometimes this the band might be four people, sometimes it might be 20 people, right? And they and they just, wherever they do concerts, they pull in all these locals, and they have, like the band director effectively, is a brilliant composer, and he composes with other people. But I've really enjoyed listening to Snarky Puppy. So if you're wondering, you know, what are we talking about here, check them out. 

Brad Crowell 8:53  

I hope people have an idea of jazz. I would love so. The world is going to hell. And I think it is really, especially hell, if you have not heard some jazz.

Brad Crowell 9:01  

Yeah, but I'm not listening to like, Kenny G elevator jazz, like, that's not my jam. I want something that has definitely got more, you know, juice.

Lesley Logan 9:10  

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, thanks, babe, thanks for, I love your holiday.

Brad Crowell 9:15  

I have another one. I'm gonna share one more. 

Lesley Logan 9:16  

Okay. 

Brad Crowell 9:17  

So Stan Kenton's Cuban Fire Suite is a journey, and it's worth just sitting down with a, you know, a glass of wine and listening to it from start to finish. I love it. Have so much fun. Enjoy that. 

Brad Crowell 9:27  

All right, here's what's coming up. So Lesley is super busy tomorrow, starting all day, because we have a whole bunch of people coming to the house. They're actually been coming through all day today, doing private sessions with Lesley, and tomorrow she's kicking off the Cadillac Weekend. 

Lesley Logan 9:42  

It's the third weekend of five weekends. 

Brad Crowell 9:44  

For eLevate, her mentorship program.

Lesley Logan 9:47  

Yeah, and if you're wanting to know more information about 2027's eLevate, there's a few spots left. We actually, on the day we're recording this, accepted two more people. So between, they may have already put their deposit in, which maybe we really like have three spots left, but don't be like, oh, I'm never gonna get it. Like, if you want it, fine, right? Like, we can talk about it. The application is really easy. It's mostly so I can make sure it's the right program for you. I don't, I don't want to sell you something that's not what you're looking for. So lesleylogan.co/elevate. A seventh through the 10th, we'll be in, well, Scottsdale, actually, Brad, we're in Scottsdale at P.O.T. so we hope to see you there. We'll have a booth. I'm not teaching at it, but we'll have a booth. So come, come by. Say hi. I think we're gonna have the dog. 

Lesley Logan 10:27  

Yeah, we're gonna bring Bayon. We're driving in. We're taking the dog. It's a camp tent. 

Brad Crowell 10:33  

We called ahead, and they were like, oh yeah, we're totally dog friendly toys, we're ike, heck, yeah, let's do it.

Lesley Logan 10:37  

So we're bringing our dog, because it would be so sad. We'll have him home for a month and we have to leave him again. Spring Training is right after we get back. It is May 12th to the 17th. It's about getting upside down, getting overhead. It's really like all the OPC teachers and I are using the workouts.

Brad Crowell 10:51  

That's OPC Spring Training.

Lesley Logan 10:52  

Yeah, we're using the workouts and on the mat reformer, tower, and Wunda chair to help you understand the connections, you need to actually do upside down overhead exercises with control and strength so you don't have to fear about hurting your neck or or also you think like I can't do these exercises. I have belly abundance or chest abundance, or whatever. Now there are people that they're not ideally for, but well, you'll learn the replacement exercises for yourself. So you can be in any of these classes, because I do not believe to be an advanced practitioner you do upside down stuff. To be an advanced Pilates practitioner, you have to have connections, so you could be doing non upside down stuff and be an advanced practitioner. So I'm excited for you for that. So opc.me/events and then Summer Tour is literally gonna be announced at any moment, and if it hasn't already so opc.me/tour.

Brad Crowell 11:39  

Tickets are coming at the end of May or beginning of June, because it'll basically be after spring training.

Lesley Logan 11:46  

Yeah, right after. So we are going to do, we are doing, and we're doing a route we've never done before.

Brad Crowell 11:51  

Yeah, I know I'm excited. We're going to be going straight across the middle of the country all the way out to Knoxville, and then we're going to loop back around and hit North Texas on the way back. And then I think we're going to do Tucson, because we haven't been there in a really long time. 

Lesley Logan 12:01  

Yeah, fixing it up, giving another city in Arizona some love, so. 

Lesley Logan 12:06  

But go to opc.me/tour.

Lesley Logan 12:11  

Oh my god, we've already seen the merch.

Brad Crowell 12:13  

It's really fun. 

Lesley Logan 12:14  

You guys, even though every year, every tour, we're like, that's so great. How could it get better? It gets better, it gets better. It gets better. So anyways, we have to get into Shari, because she's so great. But before we do that, we have a question.

Brad Crowell 12:25  

We sure do. @laurat9266 from YouTube asks, hey, would you ever consider a springboard for home use over the Wunda chair or spine corrector? I am gonna jump in right now.

Lesley Logan 12:38  

Okay, tell me, what do you think?

Brad Crowell 12:39  

They do, completely different thing.

Lesley Logan 12:41  

Great job. Brad. Way to go.

Brad Crowell 12:42  

Thank you. Like, why not have both.

Lesley Logan 12:45  

Well, and also, like a springboard, it just hangs on the wall, takes up almost no space, so you could still have room for a spine corrector. 

Brad Crowell 12:47  

Well, that's what I mean. You clearly need a reformer to do the springboard, so.

Lesley Logan 12:47  

No, you just need a wall. The springboard is like a. 

Brad Crowell 12:47  

I was thinking the jump board. 

Lesley Logan 12:47  

You were thinking a jump board. But also still a different thing. 

Brad Crowell 12:54  

They still do different things. 

Lesley Logan 13:00  

Yeah. So the springboard is, like, what you see on the walls with it's like, my wall unit, but like, half of a wall, because it doesn't even stick out from the wall. 

Brad Crowell 13:10  

Right. This just got a couple hooks in it. 

Lesley Logan 13:12  

Because I don't know why you're considering these three, right? Like, it sounds like space might be a diff, like, what we're talking about. 

Brad Crowell 13:19  

Well, maybe also cost. 

Lesley Logan 13:20  

Yeah or it could be cost. Springboards can be expensive, you guys, like, they are almost the same price as my tower, my tower, because I bought the high mat with it, it's like $2,200 full price. So like a springboard is like $1,700 I'm you have to look at these things, and also, who knows, because of all the shits going on. So use my discount. We'll put our, we'll put our Balanced Body, Contrology discount in here. But here's the thing, it depends on what you need. So if you're someone who has a bit more asymmetries, and you're more building your connections up than a springboard, or I prefer my Controlology wall tower, to be honest, because it has the push through bar and it's away from the wall, so it actually provides you the opportunity to do monkey, which you need space behind the tower to do. And also there's some things you can hang off the poles for, like there's just stuff you can do that you can't do with a springboard. So I prefer that if you're using that that can be a great way to take your mat practice to the next level, reformer practice to the next level, and develop the connections you need to advance your practice. When you look at equipment, when the space, the surface space, gets smaller, the more advanced it gets. So the Wunda chair, if you look at the surface space of a Wunda chair, compared to a mat or reformer or Cadillac, springboard, would be using a mat. It's going to be a more advanced piece of equipment. It's going to challenge the connections you have. There's definitely a lot of uses for it to teach exercises that are more advanced on the reformer and mat. It's just inherently a bit more of an advanced piece of equipment. It requires strong balance and connections. Has a lot of great work for asymmetry connections, but it's not easy. It's definitely got a challenge I love I love it, and I think it's wonderful for home use. Also you can do like five, six exercises on. And jump off. It's not it's great. The spine corrector is a whole different modality. So if you were to get one, only one thing, I would say, if you have access to doing mat work or going to a studio for other stuff, get a spine corrector because there's very few spine corrector classes, and every single person who listens to this podcast should be on a spine corrector, every single person. There is a plethora of exercises on there, but there's two series on there that everyone can do almost daily without overworking themselves, and that is the arm series and the leg series. So I really love a spine corrector. I love the Contrology one, mostly. But if you have an arc, you can check and look at my videos. I have tips on how to do that. So I would just say, like it really depends on what your goals are, Laura, and then it's go from there, you'll pick but you could honestly have all three of these in the same space, because, like the spine corrector can hang on a wall, the Springboard's on a wall, the Wunda chair can be pushed up against someone when it's not in use, you could pull it all out. So that's you know. Get them all.

Brad Crowell 16:01  

If you want to know which Contrology spine corrector she's talking about, just go to opc.me/spinecorrector opc.me/spinecorrector, and you'll be able to find that over there. Yeah. So great question. Thanks for asking. If you have a question, just text us at 310-905-5534, or— 

Lesley Logan 16:16  

Go ahead.

Brad Crowell 16:16  

You can submit it through, beitpod.com/questions where you can leave both a win and a question or one or the other. 

Lesley Logan 16:25  

And you can also, anytime you want to buy anything from Balanced Body or Controlology, like, reach out for our affiliate link, because if you if you can get a discount, you should, and if you can't, well, I mean, there's reasons why you can't, but you can always just talk to me and we'll figure out if it works. But like, why not try? Doesn't hurt. 

Brad Crowell 16:42  

Why not try? Love it. Yeah, stick around. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 16:46  

Welcome back. Let's dig into this convo you have with Shari Teigman. Shari is a dynamic performance coach and creative business strategist who empowers driven individuals to break free from conventional expectations and unleash the Maverick within. She specializes in guiding ambitious professionals and high achievers who are exhausted by the status quo and currently navigating life's major transitions such as midlife identity shifts and perimenopause. Using her bold, unconventional approach, she helps clients authentically unpack their emotional baggage, resolve internal contradictions and intentionally design lives guided by their own rules.

Lesley Logan 17:27  

We could have had her for three episodes like she's just phenomenal, has so much to share.

Brad Crowell 17:33  

I enjoy her transparency. I think it's really funny to me to listen to someone who is willing to be transparent so that people don't judge them. Because I know I do that, like, I build the caveat into the statement with what the things that I say. And I was listening to her do it, and I was like, and then she acknowledged that she was doing it. I was like, oh, that's really interesting. I get that.

Lesley Logan 17:55  

I also think that we both do it, and I've never acknowledged it. Sometimes I do. I'm like, I'm about to acknowledge, like, this is gonna sound hypocritical, but like, I don't know, like, I understand. Like, I like to say those things not to be judged. But like, so people know that I don't sit here on my pedestal like I've got it all together. You know? I think we all have to be human. Anyways, that's not what I loved. I loved, she said, in our lives, we walk around carrying everyone else's red shoes, pile of crap, and you walk around wheeling it with you, because you call it identity, you call it belonging. And she said, the first piece to finding yourself is to unpack. And I just, I was like, oh, that is like, what a visual, what a visual. We wheel this pile of crap around because we mistakenly call it our identity, belonging, culture, religion, family, like, all these things. And I've got a guest coming up that I've interviewed about, like, good daughtering And, like, I think especially the women listening to this can understand, like, you're like, taking on this stuff. Like, I have family members who are like, oh, do you want grandmas this and great grandparents this? It's like, oh my god, this is so much. I don't why do I have to be responsible for carrying on the legacy of this pot, you know, like that and it's not even, that's not even the emotional stuff. It's like, just like, but a visual of what things things are. And she said, this bag is filled with things that aren't yours, and so you have no room for new stuff. And that is like, so powerful. Like, if you're struggling to try new things, do new things, find yourself it's like, you can't, because I can't buy new a new coat. With this closet so full, I gotta get rid of some stuff, which is, which is the reason we're laughing is because we're packing, like, as we're recording this, we're packing for Europe. And I was like, it's gonna be so cold, and I love coats, and I can only bring one coat, and, like, buy another coat. I'm like, I don't need another coat. I have great coats. I can only take one. So you ultimately have to understand why you keep repacking the same thing in order to finally get a chance to make any real choices. So I love this because, like, I feel like some people think that they're self-sabotaging, or they're in the same spiral. It's like, Yeah, but you kept packing the same stuff, expecting a new result, you know. 

Brad Crowell 20:05  

Or you're carrying around old shit. 

Lesley Logan 20:06  

Yes, but, and you just keep repacking the old shit, and that's why you don't get anything new. Like, we had Brad Bisjack on, and I'm pretty sure it was in his episode we talked about, like, to get to the next level, you have to have a new backpack of stuff, you know. So anyways, like, I think there's some physical and mental unpacking a lot of us have to do if we want to be it till we see it. 

Brad Crowell 20:27  

That's episode 589, if you're wondering. Brad Bizjack, it was a fantastic episode. 

Lesley Logan 20:32  

I've stopped guessing, it's beyond. 

Brad Crowell 20:34  

Yeah, it's all right, we're at 674, not 47.

Lesley Logan 20:37  

I wish I could have kept going, guys, it would have been like this thing, if you've been a longtime listener that like, wow, she keeps doing it. But now new listeners, I used to be like, I used to just get them right. This one, that one.

Brad Crowell 20:49  

Well, I really loved when she was talking about the next step after the red shoes, where she was talking about making space for new things, like the unpacking part of it. She said, in order for you to okay, hold on, how much joy do you actually want? How much joy do you want in your life? 

Lesley Logan 21:08  

Okay, you're asking me? 

Brad Crowell 21:09  

I'm asking you, how much joy do you want?

Lesley Logan 21:11  

Like, all the joy.

Brad Crowell 21:12  

All the joy, all the joy. I want all the joy. Do you want all the joy? Of course, why would we not say I want joy. I want happiness in my life? She said, equal to the level of joy and fulfillment and peace that you want in your life, you have to be willing to go as deep internally.

Lesley Logan 21:29  

Oh, I see yes.

Brad Crowell 21:31  

So if you want massive amounts of joy, you have to be willing to go massively deep into yourself. Right? And so she was talking about unpacking and letting go. And she said, you know, when she discovered some of the things, she said letting go of those things, it wasn't like an overnight thing. And she said it was actually she had, she to go through a grieving process when she was letting go of some of the things because, you know, you've, you've embraced this worldview for your entire life. Or you were, like someone hurt, you know, you were hurt in some way by someone or something or whatever, and or something failed, and it really, you know, scarred you. You know, she said, during the process of unpacking, it actually created a lot of grief. And she said, but if you don't do it, that emotion will sneak up on you and it will come back and bite you in the ass when you don't want it to. 

Lesley Logan 22:25  

Right. You have to do it anyways. You're gonna have to do it. You may as well do it in a time when you're in control of it. 

Brad Crowell 22:30  

Yeah. I mean, it's, it's part of the process of making space for something new. And she said, if we feel trapped, how we get out of that is we release, we go deeper in and then, and then we can come out the other side. So, you know, you, if you're feeling stuck right now, it has to be looking internally, and that's gonna be how (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 22:49  

All the work. Like, I don't want to do a little bit of work, just have a little bit of joy. That seems like an annoying amount of effort. I'd rather do a lot of work to have a lot of joy. Like that feels like I'm in it to win on that. 

Brad Crowell 22:58  

100% well stick around we'll be right back. 

Lesley Logan 23:00  

I want to go off on a tangent. 

Brad Crowell 23:01  

Just get it, go up on a tangent. 

Lesley Logan 23:02  

Okay, so, today, the day we're recording this, Margaret Margarita Margareta Magnusson died. She got people excited about or aware of something called the Swedish death cleaning. And the Swedish death cleaning is that you, you, it's a Scandinavian decluttering method that is about removing unnecessary items before you die, so that you're not leaving your fucking red shoes for someone else to back around. And the idea is, like, it's it's not supposed to be like, morbid. It's actually supposed to be like, you invite people over. They take that, you tell them the story about the things and the things that nobody wants, and you can, like, let go of and someone can take, so that when you pass, one, all those things are gone. And two, like, in your living days, tell people how important that was, or what that thing meant, or where the history of that thing was, so they can have it. And then when you pass, they don't have to clean up your crap.

Brad Crowell 23:56  

Yeah, it's Döstädning. I love it. That's actually brilliant. And as long as you're not guilt-tripping people into taking your shit, don't do that.

Lesley Logan 24:05  

Right. You know what? We all know who those people are in our lives, and we don't have to go so. 

Brad Crowell 24:08  

Yeah, it's called Döstädning, and it, you know, as it works, as long as you're not guilt tripping people into taking your shit. But there's a book about it. It's called The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning.

Lesley Logan 24:18  

Do you think if I send that to my mom, it would be considered passive aggressive or just aggressive?

Brad Crowell 24:26  

Well, I mean, wait, that she should be doing this? 

Lesley Logan 24:30  

I think that I. 

Brad Crowell 24:31  

Well, but that means that we have to go, like, everyone goes to the place and there's like a ceremony. 

Lesley Logan 24:36  

Other people go, I've already, don't I already already took what I need, but she should do it for other people.

Brad Crowell 24:41  

Yeah, no. I mean, I think this is wise. I think this, this is more of a process of actually the telling of the story and the stuff gives things meaning. Right. And so my grandfather didn't quite do it this way, but he while he was alive, he let the kids my my parent, my dad. And his siblings go through everything and get rid of it. So by the time, you know, when he did pass away, eventually, you know, the cleanup of his estate was like, it was done immediately. Everything was already ready to go. So I saw that, and that was, like, really helpful. But not gonna lie, even with being diligent, it took my parents years, years, even being diligent, right? 

Lesley Logan 25:24  

And I, he didn't do it. But I do feel like the things, some of the things we took, we got the history of it through the family members, but like, I just, this is just on the tangent of like, sharing, like, in the physical and emotional space, of like, what can we do for the people around us so that they don't feel this need to carry on? Because I do think some of the listeners, like, I have family members who, like, won't let go of stuff, because, like, that was my like, I feel I've even heard your friend go, that's great grandpa's stuff. And it's like, holy shit. We are going to need bigger homes, not just like, physically, but. 

Brad Crowell 25:54  

Like, we're making our own museums.

Lesley Logan 25:56  

Mentally, because, like, you, you it's hard. It's just anyways, we all want to be better people want to have joy in sometimes we're don't. We don't have that because we got a bunch of other people's stuff in the way. That's all. Anyways, it's just another way of thinking about it.

Brad Crowell 26:08  

Wait one, one less way to be trapped. Yeah, because, because trapped now, now I'm see because trapped is two things. You can be trapped by keeping the stuff yourself. You can also be trapped if someone dies and leaves you a bunch of shit you got to deal with. So, right? You know, like, it's, it's definitely challenging so.

Lesley Logan 26:25  

And it's, and when they, and if they do those red shoes she's talking about, I'm just thinking about like, when people die suddenly, or they die and there's unanswered emotional like problems and stuff like, you then feel like you have to protect the red shoes. And so I just think that there's some things we could be doing as we be it until we see it, as we change our lives, become better than the people like we once were to get 1% better, whatever those things are. How can we be making it so that the people around us don't carry our fucking red shoes? I don't want anyone carrying I mean, you might like them, but I don't want anyone have it feel like they have to. 

Brad Crowell 26:54  

All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items with Shari Teigman. 

Brad Crowell 27:01  

Welcome back. All right, let's talk about the Be It Action Items that you have with your convo with Shari Teigman. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away? She said, when it comes to being trapped and going deeper and trying to figure that out, how do we do that? She said, however, you need to. Punch it out. Punch a pillow. Cry in a pillow, write it out, burn it out, whatever your ritual needs to be, dance it out. Bang it out. She explains that we have to tell the truth to ourselves. We cannot pretend that like only having the highlight reel and then that that's okay and it's gonna allow us to feel like a human, because otherwise it will still sneak up on you, right? If we don't allow emotion, the emotion will sneak up on you when you don't want it. And she said, emotion is just emotion. It's not good or bad. 

Lesley Logan 27:44  

This goes back to Dr. Bender, like her second interview. She's like, we always are trying to figure out the reason why we feel an emotion. But she's like, just let it go by. Sometimes it's just emotion your body wants to feel. It has nothing to do with what you're thinking about right now. 

Brad Crowell 27:55  

Yeah, she said she views this active emotional release as essential. Basically, she said, I'm going to grieve, because it's part of my process of making space for something new. So, yeah, I thought that was great. I mean, I think especially acknowledging that emotion is just emotion. It's not good or bad. Don't judge yourself, you know. I mean, don't maybe don't break a window. But, like, you know, if you have to be loud, be loud. It's okay. 

Lesley Logan 28:21  

When I leave breath work for the Agency members, I'm like, you could laugh, you could cry, you could do you could want to, like, scream into a pillow. You could need to get up and dance. You can need to shake your hands like you don't need to figure out why you need to do that. Just do the thing because it doesn't like, it's just, we're we're trying to release what's inside you. We don't have to figure out why we need to release what's inside you. Just let it go. Okay. 

Brad Crowell 28:39  

Yeah. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 28:40  

So many good so many good things. But this is brilliant. She said, clean up the internal contradictions, which, by the way, as an ADHD person, this is like, I'm a walking internal contradiction. But if you don't understand, I like people, I want to be away from them. She's, she's like, you're, she said, if you're saying, you want to have a bigger life, but you keep making micro choices. You're lying to your nervous system, because you're answering the old version of yourself like you're not actually doing the work you're not doing the be it till you see it. This is basically what you're doing. So she said, the identity you want for the life you you want is going to require align actions to that. So what you want, you have to make align actions for that. It sounds common sensical, but look at the internal contradictions you're doing. What are you doing that's not necessarily aligned? So she advises to choose your actions intentionally instead of making excuses. And I think this is, you know, really important. I remember, like trying to figure out, like, an excuse for why I was late for things or not able to do stuff. And honestly, it's so much easier to go I just didn't do it. I screwed up, like, instead of I think it's a lot easier, and you can just move on and go from there. So I agree with that. And then she said, once you clean all this up, the questions you ask will become much more clear and much more honest, and then you'll get those like, answers that align with that. So she this is just such a good episode. You have to listen to the whole thing. So if you haven't, got to go listen to it, because we cannot do Shari Teigman the way Shari Teigman does Shari Teigman. You got to listen to her. And she does have a journal coming out, The Maverick Way: A Field Guide to Coming Undone on Purpose. And you can go follow her on Instagram. We have all that in there. Shari Teigman. So anyways, I love it. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 30:18  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 30:19  

Hey, go listen to the episode. Share it with a girlfriend who needs to hear it. Share it with a friend who's carrying around someone else's red shoes. And maybe that becomes the thing like, sounds like you got some red shoes of somebody's, I don't know, share it with a friend, because this is how the podcast continues to grow. Gets even better guests. 

Brad Crowell 30:35  

Even better. 

Lesley Logan 30:35  

I'm so excited for where we're growing, and the people that we've been able to get on. The lineup that you've got coming up is some really fun, amazing things. So go, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 30:44  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 30:45  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 31:27  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 31:32  

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Brad Crowell 31:37  

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Lesley Logan 31:44  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 31:47  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad Crowell 32:00  

Hi, okey doke. Episode 647. 

Lesley Logan 32:06  

Wait. Say that again. 

Brad Crowell 32:09  

Episode 647 

Lesley Logan 32:10  

Say it one more time. 

Brad Crowell 32:12  

Episode 647

Lesley Logan 32:13  

674 

Brad Crowell 32:16  

Episode 674 

Lesley Logan 32:18  

Whoa, dyslexic. Hey, keepsake. How about keepsake on that one. 

Lesley Logan 32:24  

Episode 674, Shari Teigman. 

Lesley Logan 32:27  

Just so we are all clear, because I need evidence and receipts. My husband, two days in a row has just that dyslexic marking these dates down.

Brad Crowell 32:36  

Any fucking way. Let's move on. All right. 674, Shari Teigman. Bayon, thank you. Please don't bark. 

Brad Crowell 32:45  

Stan Kenton wrote, wrote something called the wow. My my middle school no high school jazz band. My high school jazz band actually played from start to finish, pausing. Welcome back.

Lesley Logan 33:06  

I'm here. 

Brad Crowell 33:07  

Welcome back. 

Lesley Logan 33:08  

So Walpurgis, night. 

Brad Crowell 33:10  

Walpurgis. 

Lesley Logan 33:11  

Walpurgis. 

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