Lesley and Brad recap key insights from physical therapist Dr. Jen Fraboni (@docjenfit), co-host of The Optimal Body Podcast. Known for helping people move with less pain and more confidence, Dr. Jen redefines pain as an “alarm,” not a stop sign—your body’s way of asking for better care and awareness. Lesley and Brad unpack her practical strategies for building stability before flexibility, tuning in before you train, and aging with strength and ease.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Lesley’s pain-as-alarm concept to daily self-check habits.
• Brad overcomes foot pain by staying active instead of stopping.
• How Lesley’s yoga experience illustrated “stability before flexibility” 
• The importance of reflection and consistency when pain shows up unexpectedly.
• How building strength supports graceful aging and confidence in movement.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour0
• Pilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournal
• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com/waitlist
• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/poland
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brussels
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• Dr. Jen Fraboni's Website - https://jen.health
• The Optimal Body Podcast - https://www.docjenfit.com/podcast
• Dr. Jen Fraboni's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/docjenfit
• Episode 589: Brad Bizjack - https://beitpod.com/ep589

 

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

When we feel pain, really doing some sort of, creating some sort of, like, okay, hold on, what's my sleep like, what's my intake like, what's my fuel like, have I been consistent? You know, just do some reflection. 

Lesley Logan 0:12  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:51  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the empowering convo I had with Jen Fraboni in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you've missed out on an incredible interview with DocJenFit. That's her Instagram handle or her handle everywhere. So many of you love her, know her, and this was a really cool, I thought, very vulnerable convo as well. She shared a lot about going on her life, how she handles things. I love when people are like, just a human and so it's gonna be really good. So I can't wait to recap it, but before we do that, today is November 20th 2025, and we have two days to celebrate. And to be honest, there was like seven, so we could have chosen. There was a few that I was like, well, I don't use less, so we can't use use less day, because I'm so not participating. But there's a couple others, but we're going to focus on two of them. One is the Great American Smokeout. The American Cancer Society sponsors a Great American Smokeout on the third Thursday of November annually, challenging smokers to give up cigarettes for 24 hours. If you or a loved one smoke cigarettes, consider joining the movement and take the first step towards quitting cigarettes forever. How? Let's both try to do something tough for a day. I'll give up either coffee, sugar, social media. 

Brad Crowell 2:10  

You're you are allowed to pitch this to them. 

Lesley Logan 2:13  

Oh, this is how you're gonna pitch it. 

Brad Crowell 2:14  

Yeah. This is how you're gonna pitch this to them. 

Lesley Logan 2:15  

This is how you're gonna pitch it. So you're gonna, you, if you're a non-smoker, if you're a smoker, then you can tell another smoker, you guys could do it together. But if you're a non-smoker, asking a smoker, then you're gonna say, I'm gonna give up something they know. You're gonna have a hard time giving up for 24 hours. 

Brad Crowell 2:30  

Like, maybe it's Instagram, maybe it's chocolate, could be sugar.

Lesley Logan 2:35  

Coffee, you know something like that and you give up smoking, think of it as a reset, not a rule. So.

Brad Crowell 2:43  

And that's what you can also tell them, It's a reset, not a rule. 

Lesley Logan 2:45  

Well, Brad, can we, like, let's how hard, can we talk about it? 

Brad Crowell 2:50  

We can certainly talk about it. 

Lesley Logan 2:51  

Okay, you quit smoking. 

Brad Crowell 2:53  

I did quit smoking. 

Lesley Logan 2:54  

If he had been a smoker when we met, it would have not we would not be married 10 years. 

Brad Crowell 2:58  

It's true. 

Lesley Logan 2:59  

Because we would not have gone on a date. 

Brad Crowell 3:00  

Yeah. I mean, it's. 

Lesley Logan 3:02  

My grandfather was a smoker. 

Brad Crowell 3:04  

It doesn't smell good. 

Lesley Logan 3:05  

Yeah. So I have had two grandfathers who are massive smokers, one who lost a lung to smoking, and another one who had multiple heart problems, and the heart doctor refused to operate on him unless he quit smoking. So I, like, this is a big like, personal thing, because I lost family members to smoking. But I know it's not easy. So Brad.

Brad Crowell 3:26  

Yeah, I mean, I've told this story before, so it was the decision to smoke or to quit smoking was, for me, it was made emotionally, which is what made it easy. The decision to stop, to stay with that initial decision was actually quite challenging, you know, because of the addiction, because of nicotine, but because I wanted to sing more than I wanted to smoke, that was the emotional decision. It was like, oh my god, this is a very I just have to stop, like, I can't, I can't be on stage and not be able to sing. So that I think that was hard, because I had to hit a wall in order for that decision to become emotional and then for it to actually happen in my life. But okay, great. That's step one. Then step two is consistently not smoking when I used to smoke. So in the car with the window down, or I don't remember, you know, walking out of my apartment complex, there was a there was, like, part of my routine, you know, and doing those things, like continuing to do life, you're going to run back into those instances where you used to do the habit and would always make me think, this is what I would normally pull out a cigarette. And so that was, that was a constant battle for, honestly, for just a few weeks. 

Lesley Logan 4:56  

Well, it's interesting, because so in a couple of weeks, we have a habit series starting and in one of the episodes, I talked about how to unravel a habit. And for smoking, like all we can be completely honest, there is an addictive element to it, in that they made it addictive. So you have a habit, you smoke when you're in traffic. My old roommate, she would she when she quit smoking was the hardest thing, because she's like, Lesley, I'm in traffic for 45 minutes, and I used to just sit there and smoke, and now I am not. So she had lollipops and teas and coffees because she needed something to do in the car. She actually had, like, the patches like, well, that helps you quit. So she's like, I don't even have the craving to smoke. I have the habit. So I will talk about how to unravel a habit in that series in December, so make sure you're paying attention. Okay, the other day, this is really important to Brad and I that we wanted to bring it up. (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 5:47  

Second thing we wanted to remember today. 

Lesley Logan 5:50  

Yes. So it's Transgender Day of Remembrance. For generations, the transgender population has suffered various forms of abuse and even death for or murder, so we'll call it that, for challenging the views, notions and stereotypes around male and female identity. Every year, we set aside today as Transgender Day of Remembrance. This holiday is meant to honor, commemorate and memorialize those who face discrimination and stigma on a daily basis across this nation. This holiday is also meant to advocate for transgenders people's rights, as well as focus on the persistent struggles they face in their everyday lives and how others can share their love, support and hope. If you listen to this podcast and you have a fucking problem with transgenders, I am just going to be on, I need you to explore why. These are just people. They're just people, and they've been around forever. And I bring it, I bring it up in one of the FYF is coming up about like, how in the indigenous cultures, they actually have people, they already had words for this. This is something. It's actually a fucking cool thing. Like you have the ability to see the world the way they see it through both lenses. It's a powerful thing. And I fucking clearly I'm pissed about it, but I get so annoyed. We flew on a plane the other day, and no one has a problem using a toilet on a plane, but all of a sudden they have a fucking problem of sharing a bathroom with another person of a different gender, and it's like, what are we talking about here? You just shared a bathroom. So I don't understand when they make neutral bathrooms, how people get pissed about that. I also just listened to this one thing. If I could find the reel I'll send it to the team to link it. If you don't see the link below, it's because I couldn't find it. But this person is is explaining how it's sort of the safety of women to in the bathrooms, of why they want people using the bathrooms of their own, like birth certificate, right? And this one person is a trans man. He goes, so what you're actually saying is that men are a danger to women and you don't want them in their bathrooms. So that's the problem. We should solve that problem. We shouldn't be policing genitals. So I just get really upset because it's just bothersome to me. Why do we why do we care so much we have healthcare issues in this country. We have poverty issue. We have children who don't have enough food. 

Brad Crowell 8:06  

We have food issues, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 8:07  

The higher percentage of people. 

Brad Crowell 8:09  

We have water issues. Did you know, I don't remember what the number is, but like, (inaudible) I think, I think it was Jackson, Mississippi, like, they don't have running water in in, like, many parts of the city. I don't know what the the numbers are, but like, that was a thing in a couple years ago. 

Lesley Logan 8:24  

Yes, no, there's a higher percentage of people who are listening to this show that know someone who's homeless, who is a pover in poverty, who has food. What do you call it? Like a food uncertainty? Then then know of someone who's transgendered and so why? Like, what are we doing? So I'm just pissed about it. I'm just over it. I'm over people being so uptight and like that they're a threat to who you are. You know, it goes to that whole thing where it's like, if you don't like abortions, don't get one. If you don't like gay marriage, if somebody of your same sex asks you to marry them, don't say yes. Like, you don't have to do any of these things. You don't have to be trans like this is I just get annoyed. I'm pissed. Anyways, so today is the day to remember the people who have been fighting to exist as they feel like they should exist, and we should do what we can to honor those people. And if you don't know anyone, maybe consider looking at a community service organization in your area that you could donate to if you are listening from Las Vegas, when you buy food from the Bronze Cafe, their proceeds, part of their proceeds go to the LGBTQ community for mental health. So it's really, really cool. We use their restaurant for all of our retreats here in Las Vegas. We can help support that.

Brad Crowell 9:37  

And they have a second location at the.

Lesley Logan 9:43  

Oh Brad's so excited. 

Brad Crowell 9:45  

The conservation preserve, the Springs Preserve here, which has has a massive cactus garden. So go to the cactus garden. Go eat lunch, and you'll be also helping support (inaudible) the transgender community here.

Lesley Logan 9:58  

Yeah, when you come visit Las Vegas, you should go to Springs Preserves, and then you can go to Bronze Cafe. Okay, cool stuff coming up now. So here we go. 

Brad Crowell 10:06  

All right, so here's what we got coming up on the docket, actually, next week, or Yyeah, literally, in a few days, is the Black Friday Cyber Monday coming up for you've probably already been inundated with everything that's been crazy, but for us, we're going to do it actually, during the old school Black Friday Cyber, Cyber Monday is even new. Black Friday, so it's the 26th to the first of December for OPC only, y'all so check your email for more details, starting yesterday. So just go check your emails if you haven't already, we've got an offer for you with OPC.

Lesley Logan 10:37  

If you didn't get an email, it's because you have not signed up for our emails, or you unsubscribed from us, and we don't take that personally. You could just resubscribe. But yeah, the dates will be November 26th December 1st. 

Brad Crowell 10:47  

If you're wondering what it is and you didn't get the email, just DM us and we can send you the right place.

Lesley Logan 10:52  

We're really excited about this sale, and it's the one time of the year we do it, so take advantage. Don't ask us on December 2nd for it. It's not how it works. It's actually a lot of work. 

Brad Crowell 11:01  

Speaking of December, we're gonna be on the road again for our winter tour for OPC, and the actual dates we're gonna get, it's like starting on the seventh or sixth.

Lesley Logan 11:11  

No, it's like the fifth, I think it's the fifth in Colorado Springs, and it ends on. 

Brad Crowell 11:15  

Oh, yeah, we gotta drive there, though, so we leave.

Lesley Logan 11:18  

We leave earlier than it starts. We come home the day that it ends so but it's like, it's like, December 5th through the January 6th or January 7th. 

Brad Crowell 11:28  

And we do come home the day that ends. 

Lesley Logan 11:30  

I, yeah, I know that we sound like when it comes to this tour that we're like, not organized. The last time we recorded, we had no idea where we're going. And now we do, and it's huge. The whole tour is listed, 23 cities. 

Brad Crowell 11:42  

Yeah, 23. 

Lesley Logan 11:43  

Colorado Springs. 

Brad Crowell 11:45  

23 public events. 

Lesley Logan 11:46  

St Louis.

Brad Crowell 11:47  

Yeah, the fifth, the first the first event is on December 5 in Colorado Springs, then we go to Fayetteville.

Lesley Logan 11:54  

Oh, Fayetteville. Oh, I'm so sorry. How could I skip Arkansas. 

Brad Crowell 11:57  

Then St Louis on the 7th. 

Lesley Logan 11:58  

Then St Louis, then Detroit, then Columbus. 

Brad Crowell 12:01  

No, then Lexington. 

Lesley Logan 12:03  

I'm going to Lexington. 

Brad Crowell 12:04  

You're going to Lexington.

Lesley Logan 12:04  

Oh, I am going to Lexington, but I'm going in that order.

Brad Crowell 12:06  

Then you're going to Columbus, then you're going to Detroit.

Lesley Logan 12:09  

What? How does the map work? Am I going like zigzag?

Brad Crowell 12:14  

Believe it or not, they're almost in line. Yeah, they're, they are.

Brad Crowell 12:18  

I don't understand the middle. I'm so sorry. Okay, then we go to Pittsburgh. 

Lesley Logan 12:22  

Okay, Pittsburgh. Then we go to. 

Brad Crowell 12:25  

Rochester 

Lesley Logan 12:26  

Rochester

Brad Crowell 12:27  

New York 

Lesley Logan 12:27  

Oh, yeah, we're going to, do you say Rochester or you go Rochester. How do you say it? 

Brad Crowell 12:31  

Rochester

Lesley Logan 12:32  

Rochester

Brad Crowell 12:33  

Rochester, New York. And then we go to Boston, Cape Cod, Hartford, Connecticut. That's a new one for us. Hershey, Pennsylvania. We're coming back Rehoboth Beach. 

Lesley Logan 12:42  

That's a new one for us. 

Brad Crowell 12:43  

That's new, to Delaware, that'll be just after Christmas, and then we have Washington, DC, Virginia Beach, Charlotte, North Carolina. That's new for us. We've got Delray. This is Florida. We're gonna be hoofing it from North Carolina all the way down to Delray, Florida. This is new.

Lesley Logan 12:59  

Christmas Eve, Del Rey. 

Brad Crowell 13:01  

Nope, New Year's Eve Del Rey. On a roll, here.

Lesley Logan 13:07  

You guys Del Rey is near Fort Lauderdale, Hollywood, Florida, correct? 

Brad Crowell 13:11  

Yeah. It's just north of Fort Lauderdale, I think. 

Lesley Logan 13:14  

So our Miami stop has moved up a little bit because most of you are driving from that area anyway, so you're welcome. And then we do New Year's Day with our Pilates crew that's in Tampa.

Brad Crowell 13:26  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 13:26  

And then we go to Pensacola. 

Brad Crowell 13:28  

Yes. Then New Orleans. 

Lesley Logan 13:30  

New Orleans, and then Houston. 

Brad Crowell 13:31  

Then, Houston. 

Lesley Logan 13:32  

Houston. We haven't been to Houston in years.

Brad Crowell 13:34  

Yeah, it's been quite a few years for us to be in Houston. That'll be on January 4th and then fifth in Austin, and then Phoenix, we're coming to you on the seventh.

Lesley Logan 13:42  

Yeah. So get your tickets at opc.me/events, by the way. 

Brad Crowell 13:46  

Nope, opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour. 

Lesley Logan 13:50  

There's two links. Okay, sorry, opc.me/tour is where you get your tickets. And at the time we're recording this, we're over 57% sold out. By the time you're hearing this, it's going to be way closer to sold out, because literally, nine events only have one spot right now in them. So go to opc.me/tour. Bring your friends. Also in December, we didn't do a Profitable Pilates Black Friday, Cyber Monday this year, because we want you to focus on, so save the date, December 26th or the 31st that will be on the Profitable Pilates newsletter list. So you have to be on that one. So for the Pilates instructors studio owners who want business flights, we're gonna have some special deal on Agency. We've never done it before. So make sure you're watching your inbox for that if you don't get those emails, just DM us and the team will help you out. 

Brad Crowell 14:36  

By the way, we're 55% sold out. 

Lesley Logan 14:39  

Oh, I know, but we're. 

Brad Crowell 14:40  

I just checked. 

Lesley Logan 14:41  

I know, but it hasn't been updated in 48 hours, so.

Brad Crowell 14:44  

Maybe even more, so it might be closer to 60. Good stuff.

Lesley Logan 14:48  

Yeah, I think so. And then after our tour, we come home for one day, kick off, eLevate, get our roots done, get our nails done by (inaudible), and then we go to Huntington Beach. Teach for the Pilates Journal Expo. This is a really cool two-day event, huge lineup of teachers. I don't I it's like a fucking party. So you should just go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. So just two Xs guys, xxll.co/pilatesjournal. And then if you aren't already on the waitlist, you'll want to be on the waitlist because also, in January, we're going to open up the early bird registration for our Pilates retreat in Cambodia. This we just came back from. 

Brad Crowell 15:28  

Y'all it is going to be amazing. 

Lesley Logan 15:30  

I'm making so many mistakes, because we just got back and it was the coolest retreat of life. No offense to the people we've been on retreats with before, you were amazing.

Brad Crowell 15:37  

Incredible retreat. 

Lesley Logan 15:38  

But like, if you have ever thought, oh, my god, they must get bored of this. We don't. We had the best fucking time. It was like we I just loved it. So I can't wait to take you,

Brad Crowell 15:48  

Yeah, and I think, I think this year is going to be sorry, next year, So 2026, is going to be even better. And I know we've had a lot of interest already, but one of the things we're going to do differently, in January, we're going to have a call for everyone who's curious about this, the retreat, all the questions. We're going to have a couple of our past retreaters join us live, and we're going to have them just answer those questions. You can ask them directly. They can share with you their experience, you know, the process of getting there, like, did they feel safe? What kind of food was it? What kind of activities did they enjoy? All the things that you might be curious about. And I'm telling you, it is gonna next year, is gonna sell quickly. So, get yourself on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com and we can't wait to see it all there.

Lesley Logan 16:34  

Every group is got its own, different vibe. This group, we were like, rapping in the in the bus on the way to like, no one took a nap. Usually people are napping. We were like, half a native. So anyways, crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com/waitlist get you on the waitlist. Okay, in February, that is when our Agency Mini is happening. That is our three day event. I don't know if we're doing a second one next year. We're going to try, but you know, we'll see. So you're going back to Agency Mini, you want to get on the waitlist for that if you want to make sure you don't miss the early bird discount, prfit.biz/mini holy fucking molly, there's a lot of events coming up. So Poland and Brussels, that is in March, you guys. And I mean, a lot of questions about, are you doing anything in Europe? Anything? This is it. We're going, we're like, literally not getting on a plane until March, and I don't have plans to get on a plane after March until Cambodia. So if you want to see me, you need to check out the Poland Controlology Pilates conference. xxll.co/poland and or Brussels, xxll.co/brussels, two events, different workshops to both events, you can you're welcome to come to both. Karen Frischmann is actually collabing on that with me and the host studios, so you get two amazing teachers for the price of a weekend. And it's pretty kind of it's pretty awesome. So different workshops, plus there's a day of privates and semi private classes. So you can also jump in and enjoy some workouts with us. You don't want to miss it, because I don't know when we're coming back. Okay? And then we're gonna leave that. Brad and I are gonna do a vacation. 

Brad Crowell 18:08  

What? Weird. 

Lesley Logan 18:09  

About nine, 10 days vacation in Europe, and then April after our vacation, we wrap up in April at P.O.T. London, and now it's official. Now if you've been hearing me say, I'm not allowed to tell you, I don't know if we're allowed to tell you, we can tell you I signed a contract. I don't I don't I don't know if there's a link out yet, but I'm sure there is. So just look at like, P.O.T. London from Balanced Body, and you'll find it. All right, oh my gosh, okay, should we let's get to this audience question, and we got to get to this amazing recap episode.

Brad Crowell 18:34  

All right, so the audience question this week was from @audreyphipps1726, on YouTube. She, this is for the Pilates equipment for beginners video. She said, hey, what size is that Try Me Stability Ball. I would love to find one. 

Lesley Logan 18:50  

Yeah, so the triad ball that's.

Brad Crowell 18:53  

I was wondering. 

Lesley Logan 18:54  

Audrey, it took me a second. I was like, try me. I'd have to Google this, because sometimes people go, hey, what do you think of this item? And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about, but I realize it's my accent. It's the triad ball, and I don't actually know the dimensions. It's a purple ball that you don't want to fill all the way up. It's smaller than a I guess it'd be like, volleyball size when it's filled up, but you want it to be a little squishy. And where did I get it. I think I went on Balanced Body. Let's see.

Brad Crowell 19:24  

The OPTP triad ball nine and a half inches. 

Lesley Logan 19:27  

Is it purple? 

Brad Crowell 19:28  

Um, yeah, it's purple. 

Lesley Logan 19:30  

Yeah, the OPTP. 

Brad Crowell 19:32  

Yeah. OPTP triad ball nine and a half inches. 

Lesley Logan 19:35  

You can get it at like, Target. 

Brad Crowell 19:37  

Yeah, even at Walmart. 

Lesley Logan 19:38  

I'm not shopping at Target these days, but you can get on OPTP's website, they have a bunch. They have a huge website, lots of amazing stuff on TP actually, you'll kind of like, it's good products, good stuff. So if you have a question, you can text us at +13109055534, or submit it to beitpod.com/questions. You can also leave a win. And I love getting your wins, because I love helping people see like there's a celebration in everything. You know there's a reason to celebrate the whole every if you just watch the news and open up your phone, it fucking sucks. So you got to have a place where you know it's going to be some good news, and you might hear your win on a day you need to remind yourself that you had a fucking win.

Brad Crowell 20:17  

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you are 100% right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 20:23  

Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Dr. Jen Fraboni. Dr. Jen Fraboni, also known as Doc Jen Fit, is a physical therapist passionate about helping people move more with less pain and more confidence. She is the founder of Jen.Health, a platform and app designed to make strength, mobility and recovery accessible for everyone. Alongside her husband, she cohosts The Optimal Body Podcast. Her work has also been featured nationally, including on Good Morning America and NBC, where she shared simple strategies to ease back pain during the pandemic. So we well, it was just a great conversation, by the way, nobody knows this, but I get to watch the the full interview call, right? And. 

Lesley Logan 21:06  

You watch it? 

Brad Crowell 21:07  

Yeah, watch every single one of them. That's how I do prep. Oh, I thought you just listened, nope, 100% of the time watching the interview. So the beginning of it was really fun because you were saying that, basically you were like, oh my gosh, this is how my day is gonna go today. I'm so excited to start today with this interview.

Lesley Logan 21:26  

Well, because, because it was a Zoom call with Jen Fraboni. And I was like, it's Jen Fraboni. And then it was then she showed up, like, Oh my God. Like, I was like, I mean, I guess I could have looked up.

Brad Crowell 21:39  

Doc Jen Fit. 

Lesley Logan 21:40  

I mean, I knew I was interviewing her at some point, but I just my brain didn't like keep her, keep her last name associated with her Instagram handle, but yeah, how fun is that? I don't know, maybe the team left in the outtakes. Yeah, it was so good. 

Brad Crowell 21:53  

Yeah. So you know what, what the two of you were digging into. I thought it was just really great talking about paying because I I related a lot to that, especially this past year, I've actually had a lot of pain with my my foot. So anyway, you know. 

Lesley Logan 22:08  

But well, that goes into, like, something like, what I liked that she addressed about pain was that, like, most of the time it's just an alarm. Especially if you didn't get an accident, like, and sometimes your pain is like, you're just sitting there, and all of a sudden something hurts in your body, and you're like, ah, this hurts. And I'm like, just sitting there, like, what are you talking about? So in that case, if it wasn't, like, you know, you fell down the stairs, you tripped across the street, you were in a car accident, if you have pain, it is your body going, Hey, hi. You're not taking good care of me, right? It's like, just trying to get your attention. And I just like, if we think of that as what it is, as opposed to, I have to stop doing everything that was associated with that, because this is what happens, right? People come to Pilates once a week. The goal is three to four times. Week four is better. That's the goal, right? But I have someone who'll come once a week, and they go, they'll see me the next week. Oh, last last week. My back hurt, so we need to be conscious of that. And it's like so there are six other days, plus the 23 hours of the day. I didn't see you. What did you do? How are you taking care of yourself? I'm not saying the Pilates doesn't didn't hurt you. What I am saying is more likely than not, it wasn't the Pilates, but the Pilates is the unique thing about your day, right? So it's, it's similar to, I have some stomach digestive issues, and I would go, Oh, I think I got gluten, or I must have had some dairy. When I found out that I'm also allergic to oats. And every fucking day I was having oat milk, right?. And I wasn't associating, like, any of the other boring food I was having all of the time, I was coming up with, like, this unique thing that could have happened, so I really like that.

Brad Crowell 23:53  

We were just with our friend, and the next day he was like, I think I got glutened yesterday. It must have been that meal that we ate, you know? And I said, you know, I'm I'm also not feeling 100% and then I thought about the restaurant, which is we've eaten at 100 times. And I was like, what did we do differently? And he had the spiciest Margarita I think I've ever tasted, and I was loading on the hot sauce. I was like, You know what, man, I wonder. I mean, look, it's possible that you got glutened but they were, they specifically came out and told us that they made this gluten free. So I'd be surprised. Maybe there was some leftover, something (inadible) but also, like, the two of us ate something that was pretty off the path. I like to eat spicy stuff, but, like, we ate a lot of it.

Lesley Logan 24:39  

His his his Margarita was almost undrinkable. 

Lesley Logan 24:42  

It was crazy. You diluted it twice.

Lesley Logan 24:44  

And you know, I like a spicy mar I was like, I I think that was gonna provide a colonic, to be completely honest, anyways. But I just think, like, she gave some really great stuff, like she talked about her own personal experience, like she's got some back pain, and she's like, Oh, I've been sleeping less, I'm breastfeeding, I'm sitting more, and I'm not moving my body. So what can I do to be more conscious about the things that I need to give myself?

Brad Crowell 25:06  

Yeah, I think, I think, with the, with the the idea that people coming into class and saying, Oh, well, last week, I was in pain afterwards, you know, the what she mentioned, which I thought was really obvious but needed to be heard. She said, you know, if you're in the gym lifting and you like, tweak your back, obviously you're going to say, well, I shouldn't do that again. No, no problem, of course. But that was probably not that was the moment that things were stressed to the point of ouch. But that wasn't the only moment. There are definitely other things leading up to that exact moment of when, when your body is, like, we're done trying to hold it together here, now you're in pain. And she said, so, so there's other movements that you're probably doing in your life that are, it's cumulative, right? It's, it's, it's adding up over time, and then bam, maybe the moment that it happened was in a class when you're probably doing something particular that you wouldn't be normally doing, like doing a headstand, or whatever it might be, you know, being on one leg, you know, the, the, but, that's probably not where it started. 

Lesley Logan 26:16  

I think we could all agree in this moment where we're not in pain, right? I hurt my knee doing a deadlift. When I hired my trainer, I said, Yeah, I've been dead lifting a lot lighter because it doesn't bother my knee. But the actual thing that's bothering my knee is the fact that I had weak inner thighs and hamstrings compared to my quads, and then the way my gait is on that leg, that's why my knee hurt. It just so happened that I felt the pain doing the deadlift. The deadlift is actually not the problem my form and my deadlift is not the problem. It is an in-balance and muscles on that leg. And so what can we be doing to make sure that we're taking, like, consistent care of ourselves, and then when we hear, when we feel pain, really doing some sort of creating, some sort of like, okay, hold on, what's my sleep like, what's my intake like, what's my fuel like, have I been consistent? So if you are someone who, like, doesn't work out for a week, and then goes and works out hard, like, I got to get in it, just so, you know, you're going to be in some pain afterwards because you didn't have consistency going into it. So, you know, just do some reflection before you go, oh, that's a problem.

Brad Crowell 27:20  

Speak about reflection, which, which is, this is pretty funny for, for if you have people coming in and saying, well, last time I did this, I hurt. 

Lesley Logan 27:29  

Or if you are that person. 

Brad Crowell 27:30  

Yeah or if you are that person, do you wake up and hurt like, should this? Does that mean you shouldn't sleep like? You know what I mean, the logic doesn't apply here. I just heard like. 

Lesley Logan 27:43  

So this has nothing to do with that, but it's just my brain thing. Okay?. So this person goes, like, this, like, thing I saw. This person goes, I need to go on a vacation. And this other person goes, did you just come back from a vacation? And then it's like, you should just say, Did you have lunch yesterday? And they're like, yeah, that does that mean you need lunch today? Right? Like, yeah, like, you're if you're.

Brad Crowell 28:06  

Like, obviously, you're not gonna say, Well, I guess I shouldn't sleep because, because maybe you just slept on your shoulder, weird, or whatever. And also, too, it doesn't (inaudible) it also doesn't mean that your shoulder is broken or jacked up. It means you stressed it improperly for an extended period of time. Maybe you were sleeping on it weird, right? And how, like, you know, you know how that is, you know how that that feeling is. It could be your ankle or something where it takes a couple of hours for it to work itself out. And what's happening there, which I which I thought was interesting. She talks about how pain. It's a signal from the brain saying something is not 100% correct here. Something is not 100% correct here. Just a reminder. A reminder, a reminder.

Lesley Logan 28:50  

It's like, when you hit the button and the community goes, er, and you're like, let me hit that again, it goes, er, and you're like, I don't know why I'm expecting something different. 

Brad Crowell 28:58  

Yeah, well, and here's how this, here's how this relates to what I loved. She said. She said, the more we don't use it, we lose it, right? You use it or lose it. You've heard that phrase a million times. But she said the thing that was that frustrates her the most is when she her clients come to her and say, the doctor told me I'm not allowed to do this anymore, right? The thing, whatever the thing is, and this is what related to me because, you know, a couple months, Well, geez, in February of this year, it's now, you know, November, I started to feel pain in my foot, in the top of my foot, it was like this pulling pain. It felt like fascia or nerves. I couldn't decide. I still can't decide. And for a long, long time, I just stopped things. I just stopped doing, you know, like, the pointing of my toe, stopped it. All the stuff that you do in yoga class, stopped it. I was like, I need some time off. Well, I gave up the time off, and it didn't fix it, right? So, then what? Then what it was the next thing we do? Started going to the chiropractor. Chiropractor couldn't figure out what's going on, right there. She's like, Hey, you're you're aligned. What are you talking about, right? So, you know, then I was like, must be these other things. So I'm starting to massage myself. I'm doing all this stuff. And then a couple, like, two months ago, I just decided, You know what, I'm just gonna get warm and I'm gonna keep using my foot. I'm just gonna keep using it. Because, you know, one of the things that she said is especially being pregnant a second time, she leaned into, you know, doing her workouts, when her body was was starting to, like, freak out, but her body was going through a major change, and she said, you know, maybe she modified the exercise, but she always felt better after doing her workout, despite being told, you know, you know, her body, you know, sending a signal. And I think, I think that we have to be careful with this. You know, same for me, I have to actually be careful with this. It's not no pain, no gain, yeah, it's not real. I don't agree with that. It's also, you know, there are, there are moments where your body is is trying to warn you on something, but you need to be able to decide for what that is and and understand, right? Is it like pain to the point of like damage, or are we talking that, that signal of warning, you know, that's like, Oh, you have to be cautious, right? 

Lesley Logan 31:12  

Yeah. Well, it makes it so this morning, I was doing my first Pilates practice on the Reformer in three weeks. And I did not I was like, man, I got my Spine Corrector, and I was like, this not feel awesome. It didn't hurt. It just was like, right? And then I got in the Reformer, and the first overhead kind of was like, but then the second one felt better and the third one felt better. So it's not, it is no no pain, no gain. But is you, if you have a consistent practice of any kind of movement. When you start going, you know, if your body is telling you, this is not a good day or, Oh, hold on, this is opening up. I'm warming up to it. And so when I was doing tendon stretch on the Reformer, normally, I do a single leg tendon stretch. And I did tendon stretch. I did three, and I was like, I in no way feel safe, to lift a leg off. I'm gonna do four more and get off. I got to headstand. I did all the things but the actual headstand, because I have a consistent enough practice in my body, I could tell that I'm going to feel better when it's over, but I'm not pushing myself to do something it shouldn't do. And that just comes with time. It just comes with listening to your body. So, you gotta do that.

Brad Crowell 32:20  

Yeah, I mean, you know, she said something that I also thought was interesting, that we never, that I never thought about before. She said, clearly, the outside of our bodies change, our faces sag, or we get wrinkles, things, lalala, why would we never, why would we expect that there are no internal changes as well, right? And she was talking about, you know, joint degeneration, and, you know, all those kinds of things which are natural and they happen, you know, discs in your back, compression, all that kind of stuff. But the only way to age gracefully, despite your body deteriorating is strength. Is strong muscles, right? And so we still should be we need to be prioritizing that in our lives now so that we can be moving with ease as we age.

Lesley Logan 33:11  

Yeah, no, it's so and that's just it, you guys, you will never stop having to sleep enough drink, enough water and strengthen your muscles like that you're, so sorry, guaranteed in life until we no longer get to live on this beautiful planet. So, there you go.

Brad Crowell 33:28  

Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Dr. Jen Fit. 

Brad Crowell 33:35  

All right, welcome back. Let's dig into these Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items. Can we take away from your conversation with Dr. Jen Fraboni? She explicitly advised against relying on passive stretching as a primary solution for pain, even though it can feel good and relaxing, she said it's better to create stability, that is the fundamental requirement for the body to feel safe. So you were talking about the off balance muscles that you had, which is why your lifting was feeling pain, because you were unstable. Your one muscles, your one set of muscles, were stronger than the other set of muscles. She said, when you create stability, it creates a sense of safety. And she recommends focusing on active stretching, isometric holds and strengthening exercises. She highlighted Pilates as a modality that is great at creating stability and teaching the body safety, especially in the initial phases of pain recovery. So yay for Pilates. That's fantastic. What about you? Go ahead, go ahead.

Lesley Logan 34:37  

I was gonna say, like today, we were in yoga, and my left hamstring just would not open up. And the reality is my left hip just feeling unstable. That's why we're headed to the chiropractor after this. And it's like, I cannot open up this hamstring when my pelvis is out. And so I just really like, that was such a that's such a takeaway for me. I love that Be It Action Item. So be mindful of the passive stretching, my loves. Just be mindful. I love, this is great, t only way that we start to know how to move forward is if we tune in first. So it's really, this is this kind of goes back to, like a Brad BizJack's episode, actually, and that and that, maybe he didn't say it in this episode, but he has said it in something that I've heard of him before, which is, but go listen to that episode anyways, he's like, you would never, you would never just like, go get in the car and drive somewhere without having, like, a destination in mind. Unlike most people, don't check in with how they feel before they like move their body. They just start moving their body like they're not tuning in. So before you set a goal, before you do things, you have to kind of go inward first, so that you know where you're putting your compass, where you're putting your directions, where you're moving forward to. So otherwise you're like, oh, maybe I should do if you don't tune in first, you're gonna be the person who's like, oh, the hot new thing is Jiu Jitsu, and I'm doing Jiu Jitsu, and then that new hot thing is this box thing on a trampoline, like you're not going to actually be able to look at a movement modality and go, oh, that's what my body needs. You'll just be like, going hopping from one thing to the next expecting a quick fix. So I did love that one. And then she really, she advised onto every day to take five deep, long, slow breaths, mouth closed, and focus on taking breath into the sides of your rib cage. OPC members know this. 

Brad Crowell 36:24  

Diaphragmatic breathing. 

Lesley Logan 36:26  

And avoid breathing into your shoulders, neck or chest. Otherwise you're gonna feel stressed. But if you take these deep breaths, you often will see that the pain starts to diminish. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 36:35  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 36:36  

I really hope this was helpful, especially if pain is part of your daily life, it is really hard to be it till you see it in that kind of state. And so hopefully this gave you some tips, gave you some ideas, gave you some permission and share it with a friend who needs to hear it, especially one who's like this topic is like, what they're needing right now. It's, I don't know, there's just so much permission in this episode. Until next time, Be It Till You see it. 

Brad Crowell 36:55  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 36:57  

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Brad Crowell 37:39  

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Brad Crowell 37:49  

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Lesley Logan 37:56  

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Brad Crowell 37:59  

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Lesley Logan 38:11  

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Brad Crowell 38:16  

You are just making up the URLs here. 

Lesley Logan 38:19  

I'm not. 

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Lesley Logan 38:23  

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Brad Crowell 38:25  

No. 

Lesley Logan 38:25  

Yeah, not on this sheet, but in life.

Brad Crowell 38:28  

Okay, because of 404. So I'll have the team fix that right now. 

Lesley Logan 38:31  

Fix that, please, because I gave it to somebody else last week on Instagram, because you gave that to me. Okay.

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Lesley sits down with Dr. Jen Fraboni, PT, DPT—better known as DocJenFit—to change how you think about pain. Instead of seeing it as a problem, Jen reveals how pain is your body’s protective alarm asking for attention, not avoidance. Together, they unpack how stress, sleep, movement, and breath all shape what you feel day to day—and how small shifts can help you feel safer and stronger. Whether you’re postpartum, navigating chronic aches, or simply tired of “powering through,” this episode will help you move with confidence and compassion for your body.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How to recognize pain as a helpful body signal, not a threat.
• How stress, sleep, and nutrition influence your daily pain levels.
• Why MRI or scan results don’t always predict how you feel.
• How postpartum movement and breath restore stability and confidence.
• Why building strength creates long-term safety better than stretching alone.

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• Dr. Jen Fraboni's Website - https://jen.health
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Dr. Jen Fraboni, PT, DPT, is an internationally-renown physical therapist who specializes in helping people overcome chronic pain and maximize physical performance. As the founder of the new platform and app, “Jen.Health,” she brings a unique, whole body approach to strength, mobility and pain-free living. In 2019, Jen was named one of the top 50 most influential healthcare professionals. Jen’s easily accessible approach has garnered her more than half a million followers on social media and millions of views of her health and fitness videos. Jen has been featured in Shape Magazine, Self Magazine, Men’s Fitness and Muscle and Fitness and in 2020, graced the cover of Oxygen Magazine. During the pandemic, she helped ease back pain with her feature on Good Morning America and NBC. Dr. Jen is the co-host with her husband, who is also a Doctor of Physical Therapy, to a popular podcast called "The Optimal Body Podcast.” But their favorite job together is spending time with their two boys at home.

 

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Episode Transcript:

Dr. Jen Fraboni 0:00  

Our body is constantly giving us signals that something needs to change. We're neglecting something. We need to add something in. And yet, when we have pain, we automatically think something is wrong, something is bad, which, sometimes, sure, but most of the time it's just an alarm, especially you didn't get an accident, nothing happened immediately. This is just another signal to the brain that, hey, we're neglecting something in the body.

Lesley Logan 0:29  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

 

Lesley Logan 1:12  

All right, Be It babe. This is gonna be an epic episode. Really, truly, so excited to have this amazing woman on. I got so excited about all the education information she was giving us. I didn't give her a proper bio, and you'll get one on Thursday, for sure. But just know that Docjenfit is our guest today, and she has been named one of the top 50 healthcare professionals in the US. Like she's amazing, she's wonderful, and she has a really great, amazing outlook on how we can look at pain in our bodies. And when it comes to being it till you see it, there's just so many factors, right? We can give you all the strategies and all the meditations and all the journals in the world, but like, if you feel pain in your body, it could literally be the thing that holds you back. And I can't have that. We can't have that around here. So Docjenfit is going to educate us and give us some inspiration and some options in our life and ways to think about pain that I think you're going to change your life and help you be it till you see it. So here she is. 

Lesley Logan 1:59  

Be It babe. This is this is going to be fun. This is a more like a dream come true. This is a little bit of fan girling, because in the world that I lived in in Los Angeles, I got to see this woman, kind of from afar, sometimes right next to me in work at the same places, and she is just like, just the person who's been so authentically themselves, helping people in the best way, in a different avenue than I do in the fitness world, but just in a way that I so respect and so admire, and watching her grow year after year has been absolutely wonderful and awe inspiring. Jen Fraboni, Docjenfit, holy fucking molly. Thanks for being here. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 2:33  

Thank you so much for having me.

Lesley Logan 2:36  

Okay, in case people have no idea who you are. Can't can't believe it, but it could be true. Can you tell everyone what you rock at? 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 2:42  

Yeah, I am a physical therapist. My handle is Docjenfit across the board. So Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, all the places. And I help empower people to move in a different way in their bodies than they might not have known, to hopefully find ways that they could relieve pain and move better, move more efficiently.

Lesley Logan 3:05  

Yeah, because I think, like, similarly, I'll meet a lot of people, they'll come in and they'll have pain, and there's certain things that they want to do. And as a Pilates instructor, as much as knowledge as I have, there's some things like way outside my scope. But also I think sometimes pain becomes something that really holds us back. And I watch people sometimes, like, hold on to the pain or have a story around it. And it can be hard to watch that, because you're like, you have so much potential, you have so much stuff you could do in this world, but the pain is holding you back. Can you chat about, like, what when people have pain in their body? Like, what have you seen it negatively do and affecting their lives and like what they're capable of?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 3:44  

Pain is hard, because what should be thought as a good alert system within our body, just like anything else, our stomach grumbles when we're hungry. We yawn when we're tired. You know, our body is constantly giving us signals that something needs to change. We're neglecting something. We need to add something in. And yet, when we have pain, we automatically think something is wrong, something is bad, which sometimes, sure, but most of the time it's just an alarm, especially you didn't get an accident, nothing happened immediately. This is just another signal to the brain that, hey, we're neglecting something in the body, and it's not necessarily bad, but I'm protecting you in case it turns into bad. So if we can start to see it more as that protective mechanism, rather than, oh my gosh, something is damaged. Something is horrible. I have broken like, you know, my spine is popping. Whatever things that we say in our mind about when we feel it, if we could just say, oh, that is a that's a protective mechanism so that it doesn't become bad, and then we start acting upon it and moving into it. I think the number one thing that pops up for people is is that it is horrible. It's bad. I need to stop moving, I need to stop doing whatever I just did. That's going to damage it. I'm creating more damage if I feel the pain. You know, all these stories that we continue to tell ourselves, and sometimes it has nothing to do with the tissue. Yes, the tissue is involved, but there are neuro tags that our brain creates based on little things that pop up within our body, and when we're stressed, when we don't drink enough water, we're not sleeping enough we're not putting good nutrients within our body. And we're constantly kind of in this cycle of either under eating or under fueling, not getting enough nutrients, not I'm constantly going for takeout or processed food because I just don't have time, you know, all these different things that start to happen, and then our lives can create or increase those symptoms and increase those signals to the brain, and we start living in that pain, and we feel it a little bit more amplified. So it's not even always the tissue. But you know, I think the number one thing that happens is that we we fear that we're creating more damage anytime we move and feel pain.

Lesley Logan 6:09  

Okay, this is, there's so many different things in there, but like that is really enlightening to me. It makes because, okay, so in 2013, 2013, 2014 that's in 2014, 2014 I fractured my tibial plateau running. Yeah, I just retired from being sponsored. I told my sponsor, like, I'm done. Like I actually, I got slower in there. Somehow I got happy. I can't run that hard anymore. Can't do it. And then, of course, I'm like, didn't understand the depth of a curb thing, and I hyper-extended my knee, awful, terrible. And I'm really lucky it was a non surgical situation. And your whole your my brain went through all the fears, like, am I gonna walk again? Am I gonna run again? Is it gonna affect it? Like you're the whole thing goes crazy. And I was just like, having to go this battle of like, you actually are gonna walk again, like you're, this is so, like, you're just off your leg for eight weeks. Like, out of everything that's going on, like this battle with my brain, and I was working with a really amazing trainer, and, you know, I was able to put body weight back in that leg. He was giving me some squats and some things, all fine, all released from the doctor, all able to do and I would go, anytime it was new, I go, oh, that hurts. Oh, that hurts. And he finally said to me, is it hard or does it hurt? And I think it goes to your point with pain, sometimes we also just confuse, like, is my brain actually saying I'm in pain, or am I coming up against a challenge that I feel uncomfortable with? And it turned out that, like, No, it wasn't actually pain. It was just uncomfortable and it was hard, and I hadn't had to deal with hard workouts in a while like I had. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 7:45  

And it's scary. It's scary coming back in and you're, you don't want to do something where you're like, Well, I don't want this to be my life. So I'm, I'm afraid.

Lesley Logan 7:55  

Yeah, yeah. And then like, you know, I think about some of the clients I have where they would come back and they would go, Oh, we did after Pilates, this hurt. And I was like, Okay, I'm looking at the exercise we did, and I have to go, Okay, can you tell me what you did before Pilates, what you did after Pilates? Oh, I was organizing my garage. I'm like, do you think perhaps maybe it might have been the garage, but, you know, I think, so then people go to your point, they're like, I can't do that again, versus, like, what is it telling me? What do I need to do? What imbalances do we might have? Okay, so then I guess my question is, like, how do we how do we do that? How do we explore like, in ourselves or with with those of us who, because some people who are listening, have friends or family who are like, constantly in pain or something constantly hurts. Like, when are we indulging it too much, and when are we like not listening to it? I guess it could be on either (inaudible).

Dr. Jen Fraboni 8:45  

Yes, that's a really great question, because it's so true. Sometimes we have those pain responses and we're like, kick it down the road. Kick it down the road, whatever, both of them. We got to listen to all of it. That's the whole point, right? It's a signal from our body, so we don't want to ignore it, but we don't want to fear it. So that's where we have to say, okay, my body's trying to tell me something. What is it that I'm neglecting? Let's start at just the base of everything, right? If I am not moving much in general, I have been super stressed. I'm I go to work, I sit in a car for an hour. I sit at my desk, I come home, I have so many a million responsibilities to take care of. I have kids that need me. I'm lifting, I'm grocery shopping, so I'm still lifting and moving and picking up kids or doing whatever, but I'm not actively training my body for any of those things, and now I'm doing it in a state of stress. So all of that combined is just a recipe for your body to be overdone, overdoing it. And once our our brains start like those signals can only take so much, and usually they're filtering it out. There's not enough, you know, just like outside noise, like, there's not enough to take in all of the noises all around. So your brain filters a lot of things out, a lot of unnecessary things. When things become when your brain's like, this is getting to a point where something has to change or else this is going to be bad. That's when it can no longer filter it out. And so all of a sudden we start to get that pain response that's like, normally would be resting right down here. We wouldn't really be paying attention to it. It wouldn't really be a big deal. But all of a sudden you bend down, you pick up that pencil, and your back feels like it just broke. It just went out. It wasn't the bending down and picking up the pencil, it was all these little things along the way that we were not paying attention to until your brain was finally like, Nope, you got to listen. This is this is not okay anymore. And maybe it didn't come with a disc herniation. However, we know that a disc herniation can be there prior as well, and there are studies that show all the way to 20s, all the way into your 20s, you can see disc degeneration on an MRI. You can see disc herniations on MRIs, and it increases as we increase with age. So up to 80s, you're going to see like, I mean, gosh, I wish I had the stats with me right now. But I think in your 60s, you could see up to 80% of people have disc degeneration and no pain. 

Lesley Logan 11:21  

Whoa. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 11:23  

So it's crazy the numbers, but we have to realize, just like the outside of my body is going to change, my face is going to start to sag my I'm going to start to get wrinkles, changes are going to happen externally. Why would we not expect changes to happen internally? 

Lesley Logan 11:37  

Yeah, yeah. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 11:39  

Like that that's a part of the process. So we're going to have different changes on an MRI. That's fine, and maybe it's part of your story. Maybe it's part of your pain journey, but it might be have been there prior to pain. So we can't just blame an MRI. We can't just blame an image when we don't know if that's new. We don't know if that's always been there, but what we can now start to do is say, Okay, what have I been neglecting? Am I super stressed? Am I not sleeping? Have I not been moving? Am I not am I maybe going to the gym, going hard, but I'm taking zero time for recovery? Am I always pushing to failure? Because that's what I hear I need to do now that I'm getting older, and I need a strength train, and I need to push my body to failure. But am I doing that every single time I go to the gym? Am I hearing, oh, I'm supposed to be doing these HIIT workouts in high intensity, because that's good for my bone health. But have I not progressed and eased my body into it? So all of these things, we have to start to take into account. Where have I what have I been neglecting? What am I not doing enough of that I can just at least start with the baseline level and say, Okay, thank you brain for alerting me that something needs to change. Thank you brain for telling me that enough is enough, and this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but what can I be doing that I'm neglecting and I can put myself on plenty examples as well. So, for example, my my second pregnancy, I felt all the things in my pelvis, lots of different changes with the hormones and different sensations that would pop up. I don't necessarily like to call it pain, but different sensations that my body was telling me about. And each of those experiences, I could then say, oh, I should not work out today. I should not lift that would be bad. And I did the opposite. And every time I moved in, not into the pain, but into opening up my hips more or loading in a different way. I still lifted weight, but I lifted differently. Maybe I'm not doing a barbell deadlift and going as heavy as I can, but I'm doing a controlled, a controlled deadlift with both legs and a wider stance so that I can open up through my hips and my pelvis a little bit more, and really use my breath to drive up and create that stability in my pelvis that I feel like I'm missing and I'm really needing. Maybe I can add some targeted lunges or step downs that really help to build support in my pelvis and my glutes so that I'm really supporting my body. Maybe I could do some different core things to really add in that stability that I know my body is going into more laxity, because I have a lot more relaxing within my body as I'm as I'm pregnant, and every single time I did movement instead of stopping, I felt better afterwards. 

Lesley Logan 14:35  

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I believe I've never had children, but like, I have also, like, been so tight in my upper back because we do tours, and we're driving the van for the last tour was 36 days. And, you know, yes, I have a (inaudible), yes, we do all the things. Yes, I move my body, but you just, there's only so much you can do after 36 days of you know that? And I absolutely was, like, I should not have signed up for that workout. I probably shouldn't have done my Pilates, and I found myself every with every rolling like a ball, and every seal my thoracic spine just opening up, and it's like, oh, now I'm feel so much better. But it's true. It's like you might have to take a different approach, or you might have to and and we should and this is where that all or nothing mindset, I think, is affecting everybody. Like, it affects not just the way we deal with pain, but like, the way we get into workouts, the way we see if a workout is good or not. Like, it's not about doing what you did yesterday when you're pain free, but maybe going in slow or having a longer warm up, or being more intentional with your breath and then seeing how it's going. But I think it's, I mean, this is your life's mission. How do you get people to listen to their body?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 15:44  

I know it's hard. The first key is, let's not, let's not be afraid of pain. I mean, I think that that goes for everyone. Let's not be afraid of the MRI either, because we're going to have internal changes on on the body, and that's okay. My husband and I even just did a podcast yesterday on the straightening of the cervical spine, because everyone is afraid. Sometimes you'll go into an office and they'll do an x ray, they'll say, Oh, your your neck is straight. That's why you're getting neck pain. But we have so many studies that show people who have straight spines have no pain. So again, could it be a part of your story? Sure, is it the whole thing? No, because if there's someone out there who has a straight neck and no pain, that doesn't mean that you have a straight neck and pain, right, like that we have to be looking at things can be correlated. It doesn't mean it's the cause. 

Lesley Logan 16:34  

Yeah, yeah. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 16:36  

And that's what I really want people to hear people who have disc herniations will show up on an MRI and not have pain. People who have osteoarthritis, 43% of people can have osteoarthritis on an MRI and have no pain. So again, not saying, not not discounting that that's a part of your body journey, but it's possible to be in that percentage of people who don't have pain. How do you get there? That's what we want to be focusing on. How do I get there? Right?

Lesley Logan 17:03  

Yeah. Oh, I love this. It's like, it's like, okay, so you, you, you might be someone with osteoporosis and pain, but the two of them might not actually be connected. It could be. But also, what if we take a moment to think about like, I have osteoporosis, but I also can explore other avenues that could reduce the pain? 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 17:20  

Yes, yes, and it takes a mindset, a mind a mind shift. 

Lesley Logan 17:30  

Yeah, mindset shift got it. Yes, no, it's okay. We'll do this together.

Dr. Jen Fraboni 17:35  

It takes shifting that mindset of what you're telling yourself and what is wrong and what is bad into saying, okay, what can I explore because of this? What can I do because of this? And that's where, okay, we have to say, if I'm rounding down to the floor and getting pain, what can I be doing that's different? Can, am I sitting a lot? Again, I can do myself as another example. Right now, actually, I am experiencing radiating symptoms into my right glute. So that means I'm I am feeling like a line of pain down into my glutes, sometimes a little further. So I know that's likely coming from my back. A nerve is sending some lightning signals into my glute. Now, I am fully exclusively breastfeeding right now, which means that I am sitting in positions a lot throughout the day where I'm rounded and on, like cuddling into my little babe as I'm breastfeeding, not always in the most ideal position, but kind of sitting like a little shrimp. And so majority of the day, I'm like that. And a lot of times for work, I am sitting at the computer and working. I try to get up, I try to take breaks, I do all the things, but I know that I'm neglecting some things. And so even the other the two days ago, when it really started, I would get out of bed and almost like it felt like my leg didn't want to hold me up. So it felt like it wasn't just nerve related, but it was now starting to affect how my muscles were responding as well. And so it can feel really scary, like, oh my gosh, just stepping out of bed, I'm going to collapse onto the floor, or I'm feeling as I'm rounding and picking up my son, I'm getting a lot of pain. That's bad. I should not deadlift, I should not bend my spine. I should not, you know, we could start telling ourselves, because this pattern equals pain, I shouldn't do this. Instead, I'm saying, Okay, what have I been neglecting? Now I'm spending a lot more time in extension. So if I'm on my phone, I'm going to lay on my couch and it prop my elbows and look at my phone that way. So I'm putting my spine in the opposite position that it's typically in throughout the day, and I'm spending time relaxing there and breathing there. I'm spending time opening up my hip flexors, opening up my rib cage, opening up tension relaxing through my front of my body, since I know that I'm spending a lot of time in that shrimp position. But on top of that, I have to create stability in a new way so my body feels safe. So I'm also adding in a lot of core stabilization. I'm adding in a lot of hip stability through my warm ups, and then I'm lifting, and I'm not shying away, because I'm listening and I'm modifying if I need to, but I'm lifting, and, and I still feel it a little bit today, but not as bad. And we also have to know that some things take time. There's no one magic fix. There's no one give me the one exercise for my for my disc herniation. I can't tell you that. It depends on what your body needs. What have you been neglecting? Are you neglecting your hip mobility? Are you neglecting your upper back mobility? Are you breathing from your rib cage? Are you stabilizing through your core? Are you, you know, can we move a little bit different in an exercise so that you can feel a little bit different? Can we change the range of motion? Can we change the load? There's so many aspects that we could be changing for you, it's hard to say what each individual needs. And at the same time, I just don't stop moving. The more that we stop moving, the more that your body's going to feel, because the one thing that helps us to feel better is getting fluids to move. Is getting our lymphatic system moving, is getting, you know, our even our blood going up to our brain, things. We want oxygen. We want things moving in our body so that we start to feel something different. Another thing I'm super neglecting is sleep. I know that's a huge, big thing for me. I'm staying up late so I could pump before I go to bed. Sometimes my son still wakes up. I wake up early. I'm burning at both ends from not sleeping enough. That's a huge contributor to pain. So we have to take into account other stressors in our life, and some things we can change. Some things are harder, but we have to get really honest with ourselves and say, what is it that I'm not doing that I could be doing for my body in general?

Lesley Logan 22:13  

Yeah, so Jen, I love this because, like, first of all, I appreciate you sharing your stories, because I always what I get a lot, especially since and I think it's because people can say it and I don't. I can't really argue. I don't have children. You have two kids, one of them whom you're nursing. And like, the thing that I always say is, like, if you like, have a newborn, like, you obviously have to take care of the newborn. But also, like, none of us are good to anyone sick or in pain like zero. I truly believe that self-care is an act of self-love. I will die on this hill. And I really don't think you can love others as as generously as you want if you don't love yourself that way. And so, but also, you're in a very different season in your motherhood journey, where you are breastfeeding, and so I guess, like for the moms listening, or the people who are like really trying, who put so many other people's lives before themselves, like, how do you do that? Because I know you have the mom guilt. They gave it to you when you had the kids. So like, how do you how? Like, yes, it's your job, but also, like, you're a human being. How do you keep that all going?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 23:17  

So I'm very fortunate to have support. We have support. I could be on this podcast, because we have support, right? So my husband and I can work during the day, and we have people watching our children, and so we're very grateful for that. I have to acknowledge that, right? And within that time period, I take 30 minutes out of where I would be working to work out. 30 minutes. It doesn't have to be a lot of time when we do it efficiently and we learn what we need for our individual body. I also, because I talked about the sleep thing, and that's lacking for me, my accountability and motivation not very high right now, to show up for myself, and I know that for myself right now. So the number one thing I I'm doing right now is I met someone actually on a mom app called Peanut and she comes and works out with me before she goes and picks up her after her work day, and before she picks up her son from daycare, and we work out together. And I know she's coming at the same time almost every day, and she is like, if she's showing up, I'm obviously showing up, and we're doing that 30 minute workout together, and I have that accountability to get off my butt and do it, because I can just, Oh, I'll eat a little bit more, I'll work a little bit more, I'll do a little you know, I can make up all the excuses because I'm tired and I get it, I'm in it, like, I don't want to do it either, but I do want to do it because it's going to make me feel so much better after. So I think understanding what is it that you need. We know, I think we know by now that motivation isn't the thing that's going to get us to move, right? We know this, but what is the thing that's going to get you to move? Is that the accountability? I've also told myself I need to be moving a little bit more. So my accountability also is, I am posting every morning that I'm taking a walk. And I asked other people who wants to join me take a walk, I'm going to post every morning that I'm taking a walk. That's my accountability. If I don't post. You know, I didn't walk, and so I'm I'm showing up on stories and just saying, got my morning walk in 10 to 15 minutes. It doesn't have to be long, right? I throw my kids in a stroller and I go for a walk. So what is it that we can be doing that creates that, that deeper accountability? Again, it doesn't have to be a long time, even if you're like, I don't have 30 minutes. Okay, do you have five to 10 minutes. Can you use your your kid and do a couple lunges and squats with them? Trust me, kids love to be used as weights. It's super fun for them. What is the thing that we could be doing? I do my mobility on the floor in the playroom when they're moving around. So there's always a time. Yeah, it's just, how are we creating that space within our life to to commit? 

Lesley Logan 26:05  

Yeah, I You're so right during the pandemic. I studied with BJ Fogg and his team, his the author of Tiny Habits and Stanford science, like behavioral sciences on habits like be the person, right? And he literally said, motivation is the friend you want to go to a party, but you never have them pick you up at the airport. It's unreliable, and then and it's like, just when you think about that, whenever I hear people I don't have enough motivation. I'm like, like, motivation is what you need to, like, push them up a hill real quick, but like, you can't. It's not the thing. And so the other thing that I know from Habits is how we talk to ourselves about something actually, is why where the brain starts to look for opportunities. So I, because I because I know how good I'll feel right and I know what that's gonna do. My brain is like, oh, oh, I could go. I could do this movement here. I have 30 extra minutes I could do. I'm like, seeking out little increments in a busy season, because my brain knows you're gonna get a dopamine hit if you do this here. But if, whenever you think about the things you should be doing in a negative way, oh, I should be moving more. I should be exercising more, and you put all this shit on yourself and this pressure, it stresses your brain. Your brain goes, oh, working out, moving my body, that causes stress, shame, guilt. I don't like to feel that. So you actually don't look for those things. We have to actually trick our brain into seeing opportunities for movement. And so I love that you shared all these different ways, and also what you're using right now, because it's going to be different from for all of us, depending on where our seasons are, depending if you're traveling or not, but it doesn't I am so with you. It does not have to be an hour chunk at one time, like that is a luxury a lot of people don't have, and you might have it one day a week, but not other days a week. And I'm just a big fan of, like, someone always asked me, like, how often should I do Pilates? And I'm like, I'd rather do four 15-minute sessions in a week than one one-hour like, I just would. It's just going to have way more benefits. So I appreciate you talking about the different minutes, and also, like what you're doing right now in your seasons, because it, it does help people start to think, Oh, I could do that, oh I could do 15 minutes. Oh I could pick my kid up, or I could go for a walk with a friend. I have a neighbor who would walk with me every morning, if I would, if I would get up a little later, and I'm like, this is too hot for me right now. So, so. But you know what? If that's if you are someone who needs someone, you're not sure so you can rely on someone, I promise you, get a dog teach him for two weeks to go for a walk in the morning, they will wake you up. They're, my dog knows what time it is. He knows it's time for a walk. So. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 26:06  

I love that. 

Lesley Logan 26:41  

Okay, so you know this is an incredible journey that you are going on, and what you've been and the gifts that you've been giving people like you've been doing this a really long time. What are you excited about right now? Like, where are you taking this? Where are you taking, like, your education, helping people with their pain?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 28:50  

You know, my number one thing is to provide ways right now as to okay, if this hurts, how can we do it different? So the number one thing people always tell me when they go through my courses and my plans and everything is that the way UQ lit up, something in my brain that told me I can do it, something different, and I felt completely different, no knee pain, no back pain, because I did, you know, and so doing some of these common things a little bit more uncommon, A little bit different than maybe what you've been told or what you've seen or what you've done in the past can make a huge impact, so that you continue to move forward and you feel better within your body. I think I've grown because people know me as mobility. People know me as but the problem with that is that people believe that stretching and just passive stretching, and it's so not and so sometimes, you know, I even have family members here. Like the other day, my niece is like, going for cheer right now, and she said, Oh, this area within my inner thigh, so, like her groin area was hurting and I was doing a lot of stretching, and I'm like, why are you stretching it? Don't stretch it. Not bad. I don't wanna say it's bad, but it's not gonna be helpful when she needs to be active in her sport in order to get back to what she wants to do. And so a lot of times, we need either active stretching or we need isometric hold. We need strengthening. We need stability within the body. Again, remember that when we have pain, our body wants to feel safe. So a lot of times, stretching though it can feel good, it can feel relaxing, it can help to temporarily reduce pain symptoms. A lot of times, it's not the thing that's going to help the body to feel secure and safe moving forward. And so what we need is great stability. Pilates is great at creating stability. Pilates is great at teaching the body some safety. So a lot of times in those initial phases, especially getting more stability, more isometric holds, more higher reps, lower weight, that kind of thing is going to be better in in the very beginning stages, when we're feeling that pain and creating that safety for the body, before we start loading more, or before we start doing it, or before we start doing really aggressive stretches. I don't even know. I think I went off on a tangent.

Lesley Logan 31:15  

It's okay, you're clear. I asked what you're excited about right now, and that's it.

Dr. Jen Fraboni 31:20  

Yes, yes. Continuing to educate people on on a different way to move their body and hopefully get out of pain. I just, I want to stick with pain, and some people tell me that's limiting and and I, I know, but so many people experience pain, and if I could just teach people how to listen to their body a little differently and not fear pain, I that that would be such a gift.

Lesley Logan 31:40  

I mean, it's really funny what people like to say, like, they like to say, oh, you can't, can't just do that, or that's really limiting, or whatever it is. Like, you know, this particular week that we're recording this, like, I gotta be in my bonnet because somebody, like, said, like, oh, like, someone just commented negatively on one of my Pilates instructors who works for me, and about their their body. Well, I can see that Pilates is really working. Pilate is really working for your for your body, and to something nasty, right? And I got so pissed about it. And then, like, and then I was like, while we're on the topic, there's also no such thing as Pilates arms, right? Like, there's just that's like, if you, like, I don't even want to say, have arms and do Pilates, because there you could do Pilates without arms. Like, you don't even have to have arms. So it's like, not a thing, right? Like, and so and so, it's like, it goes to where this tangent is going from my brain. It's like, people like to put things in boxes and then, and then, that's what it is for. That's what it does. And like, as, if you focusing on pain is so limiting. When pain is like, it is such a, like, I'm like, we could go to so many places, because there's people who like, literally, like, I have a family member in my life every day, something is in pain. I'm like, you are using pain to keep yourself from experiencing life, you know? And then there's also the other spectrum, where it's like, people who won't listen to it at all. You're like, I just want you to like, we don't do, yeah, I can see, like, you shouldn't do that anymore, so, but I so, I think it's really interesting how we people want to put boxes around things. And there, I don't say they're being a boxer, and I do think that, like, we know a lot more about stuff. Like, it used to be like, Oh, if that hurts, don't do anything, as if that's, you know, and I would watch clients whose doctors, like, you can't do anything with that. And I'm like, Okay, so now your foot has changed. Like, now that we haven't used it anymore, it's no longer, like, you have hammer toes now it's doing this thing. It's sickling. Like, can we go back to the doctor and ask for some other things we can do? Because, like, even though that's my scope, like, that foot is not helping. Now your hip's going weaker, and now your back is having problems. So I think we know a lot more now, and I'm really excited for what you're doing, because it does, it does give people a little bit more opportunities to change things before it gets to be something that can't be changed anymore. Am I right like?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 33:55  

I hope so that's the number one thing that boils my blood is whenever I would have a client come back and said, Oh, my doctor told me not to do that anymore, or not to do this anymore. And it's like, well, the more we don't use it, we lose it. So if, if you want to become fragile, if you want to, you know, age and be in more pain, then that's an option, but I hope that's not what you want, you know. And when it comes to joint health, the if your joints start to go which they are, that's part of aging, right? We're going to start to lose cartilage. They're going to start to wear and tear. That's, I hate that word, but it's true. I mean, we're, we're, they're going to change. It's part of aging. The only thing that is going to support you as those changes are happening, is muscle and being strong and having range of motion and mobility within your body. Yeah, if you don't have the mobility to move into those areas anymore, they're going to get stiffer and tighter. If you don't have the muscle strength to support it, your joints don't have any more room or cushion to support them themselves. So. What's going to happen? You're going to be in more pain, and you're not going to be able to do more things. If we stop moving and to our full ranges of motion, if we stop strengthening throughout our range of motion and and putting that tension across the tendons and the muscles and loading the joints, then we're going to end up in more pain.

Lesley Logan 35:23  

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are. And this is not to knock, like, what some of the doctors say, because, like, I also think they're in a practice and they're operating on some interesting information. But I definitely would laugh when someone come and go, I'm not allowed to flex or extend my spine. And I'm like, how did you drive here today? Like, how did we how do we get here? And I just want you to notice that while you take your shoes off right now, you're in flexion. So can I, can I maybe get some permission to move you in a safe way, in those positions so that we can keep them? Yeah, I think that's that's like, thank goodness for you and the work that you're doing, and you do it in a way that actually makes people excited to think about their bodies. And I think that's so beautiful, because it's really hard to do in a world where people want a quick fix, they want the five in five days how do I get out of this? And it's like, Well, you probably didn't get into it. And I just really want to highlight, like, your your focus on like, what are all the other things we could be listening to, you know? And I think that that is something that, as you know, majority of the listeners on this show are women, and there's a few good men, but especially as women, especially as women, like we, tend to it starts with the sleep, and then it starts with the fueling of the food, and then it starts with lack of water. And then, you know, all of us, it's like it's a slow thing, and it's like there are some things we could actually maybe take a look at and be a little bit more priority based on those, even if we don't have time, and see how that affects the rest of our bodies. 

Dr. Jen Fraboni 36:41  

1,000% 

Lesley Logan 36:43  

Yeah, I really want to, like, talk to you for hours, but we're gonna take a brief break, and we're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you. 

Lesley Logan 36:49  

All right, Docjenfit, where do you hang out? Where is your favorite place for people to connect with you, work with you. Do you have any programs that they can look into if they're interested in this?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 37:00  

Yeah. I mean the number one place, I check my DMs all the time. It's me, so docjenfit on Instagram is my number one place I hang out. I do upload Tiktok as well, but I don't check Tiktok, so don't try to reach out to me there. YouTube, I do look at comments there, so I get back to everyone there, but I feel like my community is on Instagram, and that's where I started. That's where everything is. So connect with me there if you have any questions, and I have Jen Health. So jen.health, there's no dot com or anything, or also look up the app Jen Health. And if you ever wanted to find something rather than scrolling my Instagram, you can go sign up on Jen Health. It's completely free to sign up. And we have a Discover tab where you can literally type in knee pain or knee and stairs or like low back pain or bending, or whatever it is that you want to and there's going to be something that pops up that can help you. Those are essentially my Instagram searchable. So all my recent posts always get uploaded there, and you can search freely as needed. We also have programs on there so that you're not just looking for a quick fix within those couple exercises that may or may not help, but you're the programs I created, because I'm not individually with you, but my low back plan, (inaudible) plan, is all about like, Okay, let's take a look at the entire system here and how it all can work into helping to improve and reduce low back pain. We're talking mobility stability from the ground up. We're talking strengthening progressively into the body and really building in key areas that are often neglected in five to 15 minutes a day. I'm not trying to take you away from your other workouts or your other life responsibilities, I'm trying to just sprinkle things in little by little, so that you are starting to introduce something different that you might have been neglecting in your body. I love all that that's so helpful. 

Lesley Logan 37:00  

And I think it's really cool, because when people can take some ownership and explore and like also understand, I think the more we understand our body, the easier it is for us to actually like, communicate about what's going on with it, and also advocate for ourselves. If you do need to go see a doctor and they do tell you things, you can go you can advocate for or against or get a second opinion. You can have a lot more authority of yourself when those things do come up. So you're just so wonderful. Thank you for that. Okay, you have given us a lot already, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us?

Dr. Jen Fraboni 38:14  

Everyday take a breath in to the sides of your rib cage, like not, not into your shoulders, not into your neck, not into your chest. Take a breath and think of closing your mouth, taking your breath, as if your breath is pulling back into your nasal cavity and expanding across your ribs. Sometimes I like to just take my hands on my rib cage, take five deep, long, slow breaths there. You're going to see how pain just starts to diminish. Stress starts to diminish. Things start to feel better within your body. And the only way that we start to know how to move forward is if we tune in first.

Lesley Logan 40:00  

Oh, my goodness. I love that. I love that so much. That's literally how I like people to breathe when they're in my classes. I just feel like I'm like, Ah, so much validation. I'm obsessed with you. Can you come around the world with me? Anyways, you're just, thank you so much, Jen, just for being you and what you do in this world, and also just being so authentic about how you're on this journey as a human being, so that everyone can also be on that journey with you, but also so that people can be empowered. I'm really, really grateful for you and all these amazing tips. 

Lesley Logan 40:28  

Be It babes, how are going to use these tips in your life? I highly recommend following Docjenfit on Instagram. Make sure you tell her. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it, you know that friend who's always got something going on like just share it with them, because maybe they just need to hear from a different person that it doesn't have to always be what it is, doesn't have to be limiting. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 40:48  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

 

Brad Crowell 41:30  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 41:36  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 41:40  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 41:47  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 41:51  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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In this FYF episode, Lesley Logan celebrates what happens when preparation meets opportunity—and how readiness creates freedom when life speeds up. From a pianist who mastered the wrong concerto onstage to community wins that prove preparation meets courage, this week’s stories are all about trusting your instincts and believing you’ve got what it takes. Lesley also shares how being proactive in your goals can help you find freedom and peace when life speeds up.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How a pianist’s quick pivot became a lesson in confidence. 
• Why following your gut leads to better results than overthinking.
• Community wins that celebrate small victories and authentic effort.
• How Lesley’s year-ahead planning turned stress into calm momentum.
• The power of gratitude to silence self-judgment and refocus your energy.

Episode References/Links:

• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• Maria João Pires - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFbS8MuqD3W

 

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hey, Be It babe. How are you? Happy Friday. Happy November 14th. Now we're midway through the month, just like that. You know, a few weeks ago, I told you about the 13th month, and I'm just telling you right now, the more I think about how, like, we used to run the calendar off of 28 days in the moon cycle. Like, doesn't it just make sense? Every FYF, I'm like, oh, look at that. Now it's halfway through. Like, yeah, kind of, right? So I'm just saying, like, the more I do this and, like, wait, especially this month, because we end on the Friday was the seventh of 14th. It's just like, like, easy math. And I'm like, yeah, it should just end on the 28th then we start a new month. But anyways, we're, you know, not on that calendar. And I would love to vote that in, but the whole world has to, I guess. So, anyways, this is the episodes where we share some inspiration. Share wins of yours. Share a win of mine. Realize that we are doing a freaking great job, or doing better than we thought. And a little affirmation to kick your weekend off. And if you haven't yet listened to the interview and recap this week, go do it just right below this. You can start with the recap first, Brad and I have a lot of fun bantering, then we answer a question of yours, then we talk about what we liked. And if you are like, oh, that's interesting, I want to hear it from the horse's mouth, you can listen to the interview, and I highly recommend it, because we have some really cool guests. 

Lesley Logan 1:59  

Okay, so I this came across my feed, and this is what I, okay, I don't play instruments. I did play for share like tenor sax. I had a retainer and braces when I learned and then when I took them out, I couldn't play anymore, and so I just stopped playing. It's not funny, but at any rate, since I have been a musician, I have prepared music I have, like had to memorize, and so I know the effort, but this is how the reel goes. And there's a link in the show notes you can, like, go watch it. Okay? When they told you it's Mozart's Piano Concerto number 20 instead of number 23. So she had one minute of the orchestra playing before she had to step in and play the piano, okay? And so here's the thing. The caption says it's probably every music's worst nightmare. Imagine you're sitting here sitting on stage, ready to play your concerto, and the orchestra begins to perform a completely different piece. That's exactly what happened to the great Maria João Pires, or Pires in 1999 when she stepped in to replace another pianist on short notice. In a formidable tour de force performance, Pire's charge changed course and miraculously didn't miss a beat of Mozart's Piano Concerto Number 20 and not 20, 20 not 23 like she had been expecting. This stood out to me, because as a recovering perfectionist and overachiever like I imagine how much time she probably, like, prepped herself for the piece that she has to play, because it's not like they have the music in front of you guys. They just play like they are supposed to just play like it's coming out of them, and there's no music in front of them. And you know, she had one minute to, like, just feel her feelings, and then step in and be it till she sees it. And it is just so beautiful, because imagine, had she found out before the concert started, then she probably could have told herself a million different things and like, even, like, freak herself out a different way, because she didn't have that opportunity. She had to, like, be it till she sees it as, like the other performance, and she didn't miss a beat. And it's worth watching, just to go through the emotions with her and realize, like, this is what you're watching someone step into their power and believe in themselves in such an awesome way. And ladies, we can do this right? We can do these things. And I think we're like, Oh, my God. I like, prepare for my meeting to be on this date, and then something happens, and the meeting doesn't happen, then you're like, oh, but I'm ready for it. I'm frustrated. My love, like, your you will be more authentic the moment it happens. You might be too prepared. You might like, so I would just say, like, anytime an opportunity comes up, you're like, Oh, I'm not ready for this. What if you were? What if you were ready? She was. It's beautiful. I'm like, obsessed with it. I've watched it several times. I'm so into it. 

Lesley Logan 4:56  

All right. Time for wins of yours. Got really fired up. Okay, these are from Instagram. Thanks for sending it in. You can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions and you can send longer wins in because Instagram does, like, make them super short. So again, like, the longer ones that I've read in the past, you can send those into beitpod.com/questions plus any questions you want me to answer, like, it's a great way to get answers out of me. So, lynneconnolly36 says, covered six back to back classes this week, 5 am wake and clients love them. Holy freaking moly. Lynn, you are a badass, getting up at 5am and then covering six back to back classes. Oh, you are phenomenal. You like, I don't even know how you did it, but way to go. And, of course, the clients love them, because you're authentically you, and you're amazing. Way to go. 

Lesley Logan 5:39  

hli_pilates great private session yesterday. Thank you. Body feels so much better. It is a win when our bodies feel better. I love that you're celebrating that, hli, I just absolutely love it, because it's so easy for us to focus on when our bodies don't feel good, and that you're celebrating your body feels better today is humongous. Way to be it till you see it. julia_reddout, I subbed a level two class in the studio where I take classes. They loved it, and it made my day.

Lesley Logan 6:06  

Yeah, because those are your people. You know them. You know what they need. You know, I'm so proud of you. I'm so happy for you. What a win, guys. Thank you for sending these in. I just I want more women to share things that they are doing, because the dudes certainly do it. And I was raised like, don't brag, be humble and you want to know something, it didn't get me anywhere. In fact, the more people knew what I was capable of, the more opportunities came to my place. Fun story, I have been teaching for a long time. There was an the big conference that was going on. It was 2019 I think it might have been 28 might have been 2018, 2018, fall of 2018 and I was doing a photo shoot at a big conference, and this woman who hires teachers for another conference saw me, and she had hired me for the next year's conference of her, but her company does, and she'd hired me for some business coaching stuff that I'd applied for, and she saw me doing some exercises on the equipment. She's like, oh, do you teach? Can you teach some classes? And of course, I was like, fuck. Of course, I teach. What the fuck? But then I was like, Oh, she doesn't know who I as a me, as a teacher. She's only seen my application for the business things. I'm not doing a good enough job making sure people know what I do and know what I'm good at. So we gotta start bragging more, babes, and that's why we have to start making Fridays at least Fridays, but if not every day, a day where you celebrate what you fucking slay, what you did, and if it was I just actually did my full schedule and didn't cancel anything, that's a fucking win. In high school, there was a sign that said every class every day, and I'm telling you that wasn't always what happened in my life, but every time I did every class in a day, I was like, Yes, I did it. I know that surprises you as recovering perfectionist, that I would cut classes, but I really thought High School was, like, beneath me, and I just couldn't wait to get out. And I was like, I've got a 4.2 like, this is not gonna take it away from me. I probably could leave. So anyways, that's my rebellious stage. Okay, I gotta share a win of mine, a win of mine. 

Lesley Logan 8:04  

Here we go. So here's what I'm super proud of. Last year, around this time, I was cramming to get everything done before we left for winter tour, and I got sick, and we had to, like, look at everything that didn't get done yet and go, Okay, which of these things can we not do? And for the first time ever, we missed YouTube releases. We did because I could not possibly film YouTube and podcasts and classes for OPC, and so the podcast and class of OPC won and YouTube lost. And from that moment, I had my team, and I had to, like, look at the next year and change how we got things done, so that I was well ahead of schedule, that by the middle of November, I would be done filming things, not just for the end of this year, but the beginning of next year, so that we are not scrambling in case I get sick in the fall, right? And so I'm proud to say that right now, the newsletters through beginning of next year are written, classes are recorded, and podcast recaps are almost done, but we're not scrambling. I don't feel like I'm in a rush, and I'm really excited to go on tour, knowing that when I come back, like, I'm just back in my regular schedule and not like scrambling. So my win is, is that a year ago, I had a vision, and always that was the year before, that was a different was, like, similar vision, but we just keep getting better at it. And why can't I have a win on something that was already a win? Because I'm just getting better at it. And you reflect, you refine, and you continue. And that's how it goes. You're not ever gonna do anything perfectly the first time. And thank God, because then you go, Oh, I didn't like that part actually, I'm glad I didn't do that. So I'm just saying, My win is I'm ahead. I'm on track. I did what I said I wanted to do, and I, you know, I started this project a year ago. So slay the year. What a win for the year, not just the week, okay, but I like those small wins. I like the small wins. 

Lesley Logan 10:04  

Okay. Your affirmation over the weekend. I practice gratitude for all that I have and all that is yet to come. I practice gratitude for all that I have and all that is yet to come. Do you have a gratitude practice? Do you know what the easiest thing is to do? Take a piece of paper and just write down. I'm grateful for the air around me. I'm grateful that I'm listening to this podcast right now. I'm grateful that I got up this morning. All of a sudden, you'll start behind gratitude for other things. It's kind of fun. It's kind of unique. I know some people poo poo a gratitude, but like my therapist said to me, gratitude and judgment can't live in the same space, and that changed everything for me. So whenever I feel judgey about myself, I just start listing off things I'm grateful for. Sometimes, like, I'm grateful that my bed is made. I'm grateful I took a shower today. I'm grateful that last week I got my nails done when I had some time, right? Like, those are wins. They gave me gratitude as well. All right, babe, you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 10:59  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

 

Brad Crowell 11:40  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

 

Lesley Logan 11:45  

Lesley Logan

 It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic [email protected]

Speaker 1 11:50  

our theme music is by Ali at Apex. Production Music and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco ciofe.

Lesley Logan 11:57  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 12:01  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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What if beauty wasn’t vanity but a radical form of self-respect? In this recap, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell revisit their inspiring conversation with aesthetic nurse and rejuvenation expert Rachel Varga, exploring what it truly means to age with confidence. From skincare and collagen to breathwork and mindset, they unpack how honoring your appearance can deepen—not diminish—your self-worth. Tune in to learn why self-care is never selfish and how real confidence shines from the inside out.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

 

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How reframing skincare as self-care redefines beauty and confidence.
• Why genuine confidence changes how you show up in life.
• How rejuvenation aligns how you feel with how you look.
• The role of protein, creatine, and collagen in healthy aging.
• How breathwork lowers cortisol and slows signs of aging.

Episode References/Links:

• World Kindness Movement - https://www.theworldkindnessmovement.org
• OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour
• Pilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournal
• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com
• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandX
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsX
• Flash Cards - https://opc.me/flashcards
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• LL on School of Radiance - https://beitpod.com/lesleyonachelsod
• School of Radiance Website - https://www.theschoolofradiance.com (Code: LesleyLogan15 for 15% off one-on-one sessions, tutorial, and membership)
• Amy Cuddy's TED Talk - https://youtu.be/Ks-_Mh1QhMc
• 100 Acts of Love by Kim Hamer - https://a.co/d/0HLOjhO

 

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSI

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Be in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlist

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• Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/
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• Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/

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• The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses

 

Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

You figuring out what rejuvenation as a form of self-care that works for you, which is very different than works for me, very different than anyone else, that is like staying in the power stance. It's an action. It's something that you're doing so that you can show up as your whole self and give the world the version of you that will make an impact. That cannot be bad. 

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:09  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I

 are going to dig into the rejuvenating convo I have with Rachel Varga in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, you need to do it, because she's amazing, and we've been using her tips, and some of them are extremely effective. I other ones I just haven't tried yet. I'm really impressed. But today, before we get into Rachel's amazing tips for your rejuvenating means, like skin all that kind of stuff, today is November 13th and it is World Kindness Day. 

Brad Crowell 1:40  

Yes, it is. 

Lesley Logan 1:07  

Damn it. That's what my papa Jake would say, celebrating like, meaning like we're gonna do it like that kind of damn it, okay. Celebrated internationally, this holiday was formed in 1998 to promote kindness throughout the world, and it's observed annually on November 13th as part of World Kindness Movement. It's observed in many countries, including the United States, Canada, Japan, Australia and the UAE. World Kindness Day presents us with the opportunity to reflect upon one of the most important unifying human principles. Oh, just period. On a day devoted to the positive potential of both large and small, acts of kindness try to promote and diffuse this crucial quality that brings people of every kind together.

Brad Crowell 2:17  

Yeah, so the World Kindness Movement. 

Lesley Logan 2:25  

Tell us more. Brad, 

Brad Crowell 2:26  

the world Kindness Movement is an organization, and they so well the world kindness movement.org if you're interested in reading more. I found it really intriguing that this is even a day, but I like the idea. I just think it's important that we are being conscious of this sharing kindness generally, because I think that in our extreme split political environment and belief in science and reality versus non science and non reality, it actually creates a lot of frustration. It really creates a lot of frustration for me, and this is a good reminder to that we still have to treat people who, you know, we definitely disagree with. We still have to treat them as humans, as people, even if we don't think what they're doing or thinking or saying makes sense, they're still humans, and we still have to treat them with kindness, regardless.

Lesley Logan 3:18  

You know, what's interesting about this is like we used to when we lived in LA, many of our neighbors were homeless, right? Like where we lived, and it's so easy. I watch people like they turn their head away from homeless people like they just don't even look at them, but then they wonder why they're not treating the area like with respect. It's like we don't feel like we're human. You know, you're not looking them in the eye. There are simple acts of kindness you can do every day. In fact, Kim Scott wrote a book, 100 Acts of Love, which you can put kindness in there. There are things you can do for people. Obviously, that book was written for people going through a loss, but there are things you can do. And it's really funny, art, art. My dad is like, he like acts like he hates talking to people. But then we go to the gym, which is through a casino, and he talks to everybody. He knows the name of every security guard. He knows every he knows the name of every parking attendant, right? He we now know the names of several dealers at the casino. And you know what I think makes them their day is that we just like, say hi. They're not they're staying there, waiting for someone to come to their booth or whatever, and we're like, morning, good morning. It just makes people feel seen. Like even just acknowledging people with an eye contact and a wave makes people feel seen. And I think that if we did more of that, the world will be a better place. So I think. Maslow hierarchy of needs is really real. Maslow's hierarchy, hierarchy of needs. It's a hard word for me tonight. And we judge people based on like, Oh my God. I can't believe they did that. But if they don't know where their food or meal or health care is coming from, of course they did that. You are in the Enlightened level because. You have some privileges to your life, and I'm not saying that to make you feel bad about yourself, but it is, we have to stop judging people who have less than us. We have to have more kindness. I I'm in. Okay, you take us through the first half of this list. It's long. 

Brad Crowell 5:13  

All right, we're gonna move real quick through our upcoming events and travel y'all so come join us, if you, if we're gonna be near you. Okay, in November this no, this month we are going to do.

Lesley Logan 5:22  

Right now the month we're in. 

Brad Crowell 5:24  

Thanks. This month we're gonna go, we're gonna have a Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale for OPC only. Okay, for OPC only. It's gonna be the 26th through December 1st. So check your email for more information. We're gonna send you an email on the 19th. 

Lesley Logan 5:35  

We're not gonna tell you what it is, you just have to find out. 

Brad Crowell 5:37  

So that's six days from now. Then next is winter tour. We are actually going to be on the road in December, and we've already made the announcements go to opc.me/tour for tickets, all the things.

Lesley Logan 5:50  

Days are already sold out, so you got to get in there quick. 

Brad Crowell 5:53  

Yep. Okay. So next is while we're not doing a Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale in for Profitable Pilates at the end of December, we are going to have a sneak peek option offer for you to join Agency. We haven't really made this announcement anywhere except for the pod, so you are the enlightened ones. As we were talking about, we're giving you a heads up if you've ever considered joining Agency, but you weren't quite sure if it was for you. We got we're going to do just a short month where you can, like, figure it out, see if it's your jam, and join us. 

Lesley Logan 6:24  

Well, it's a full month, but it's a short commitment.

Brad Crowell 6:27  

Short commitment. I mean, it'll be a month. So anyway, it'll be the end of December, December 26th through the 31st and then in January, Les?

Lesley Logan 6:35  

I'll be the Pilates journal Expo in Huntington Beach. It's the first one that they're doing in the US. And I've got a world premiere of a workshop that they were like, we love that people really want to, just like, ask you questions. And don't worry, there's an actual workshop to it, but it's a space where you can ask me questions. And so you want to go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal to get your tickets to that. Then also, in January, we're going to open up the early bird discount for our retreat for 2026 and many of you asked about it, you need to be on the waitlist if you want the discount. If you want to pay full price, don't get on the waitlist. It's fine. Go to crowsnestretreats.com and February, Agency Mini is happening. It is you want to get on the waitlist for that as well. Different waitlist link. It's prfit.biz/mini. What is Agency Mini? It's like three days of us digging into your business and on like a problem. So you can see what it's like to coach with us. That's for Pilates instructors and studio owners and anyone who's like in that service-based industry. And then in March, we are going to Poland, and we're going to Brussels with Karen Frischmann. There are different workshops at each they are on different days, because we cannot be in two places at once. So if you are interested in Poland, it's gonna be the one that happens before Brussels. And I can't remember the dates of it, but it's xxll.co/poland it's like the third weekend in March, and then the last weekend of March is Brussels. Not only we there with Karen Frischmann, we're gonna be there with Ignacio, whose last name I can't remember at this moment, but he's amazing, and the most beautiful eyes and the most incredible kind instructor. xxll.co/brussels and then in April, P.O.T London will be there with Claire Sparrow and some amazing other people. You're not gonna want to miss it. So there's your links they're in the show notes. 

Brad Crowell 8:20  

Ignacio Rodriguez. 

Lesley Logan 8:22  

Oh, Ignacio Rodriguez, yes, well, anyways, he is a special soul. I mean. 

Brad Crowell 8:26  

He's from Spain, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 8:27  

I know he's like, a Pilates Buddha. 

Brad Crowell 8:29  

Yes, he's awesome. 

Lesley Logan 8:31  

That's what I like. Whenever I was around him, I just was like, oh my God, he's the calmest person. Like his energy is so calm you cannot be anything but that around him, he doesn't listen to this podcast. So he wouldn't hear the compliment. Okay, before we get into Rachel's episode, who, what is our question this week?

Brad Crowell 8:50  

Okay this week, with a question on YouTube from @BodyFlexZone, all about the OPC Flashcard Deck series, they asked, Hey, could you possibly include the exo chair and the springboard in your flashcards?

Lesley Logan 9:07  

So BodyFlexZone, I'm sorry to tell you the news, but this is exciting too, so don't turn it off. We're not going to do that.

Brad Crowell 9:15  

No. 

Lesley Logan 9:16  

No. 

Brad Crowell 9:17  

Here's why. 

Lesley Logan 9:18  

Here's why. They're included already. How do I explain this? The I write the cards as a classically trained instructor with classical equipment. They are edited by a contemporary trained instructor who has contemporary equipment, including she is has an exo chair and was trained on a springboard, and the measurements for how to use the hooks on your springboard exist in the Cadillac deck now.

Brad Crowell 9:46  

So, so while we are not creating a special deck for the exo chair or a special deck for the springboard, if you get the Chairs Deck, the exo chair information would be applicable. It's applicable. You know the information of the Chairs Deck is applicable to the exo chair. And in the same vein, the Cadillac Tower Deck is applicable. It includes information about springboard information

Lesley Logan 10:09  

Correct, because some springboards have pushed through bars, some springboards don't. There are cards that will say it's pro like they're marked that they might not be available on a tower, which means they're definitely not available on a springboard and so. But also, there's a card in each deck on how to use the deck, and it explains, if you have an Exo chair, like how to it doesn't say exo chair specifically. It's like, if your chair has four hooks, here's how to think about it. So both decks are very useful. And if you get those decks, if you ever have access to a full Cadillac or tower, you have a bunch of cards you get to use. You don't have to take a special training for it, because you've already been trained. So you can get our flash cards at opc.me/flashcards. All six decks are out. Oh, you might want to go to the website during the Black Friday, Cyber Monday. 

Brad Crowell 10:56  

For those of you who were unable to hear what she said, you might want to go to the website during the Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale. Just a heads up.

Lesley Logan 11:03  

Don't miss it, because if you ask us later, no, we're not the we're only doing it for five days.

Brad Crowell 11:09  

Hey, send in your questions to the pod. Go to beitpod.com/questions where you can leave a win or a question, or you can also text us at 310-905-5534. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this really interesting conversation we have with Rachel Varga, all about rejuvenation. 

Brad Crowell 11:27  

Welcome back. Let's talk about Rachel Varga. Okay. Rachel is a registered nurse and an aesthetic specialist who's been in the field of non surgical rejuvenation since 2011. She's published research on eye and jawline rejuvenation, teaches doctors and nurses internationally, and now blends her expertise with biohacking to help people age well. Rachel is the founder of the School of Radiance, and also hosts the School of Radiance podcast, where she shares how skincare, lifestyle and self-care can create lasting beauty from the inside out.

Lesley Logan 12:01  

Yeah, I've been on her pod. You should go listen to our episodes together there, and if you like it, then you have another podcast to listen to. She's, it's, I really enjoy this because, okay, I have been wanting to have someone, an expert like this, on for a while, but I didn't want it to be a vanity, like, I didn't want people to be like, Oh, it's so vain, you know, like so many people are like, I don't know, raw milking it. So they're not going to want to talk about Botox or things like that. And I well, you know, some people get granola and they're like, I gotta not do anything to my body. But also, if something's really, like she said, if something is really bothering you, like specific lines or scars or jowls, addressing it is beneficial, because oftentimes if you feel you look better, you feel better, and if you feel better, you actually just look better, like if you actually feel good about yourself, you walk around taller, you engage with people in a different way. And so it's kind of like a chicken or the egg thing, and I appreciate her approach. If you listen to the episode, it's not like, everyone needs Botox. There's always something wrong with you. No, it's like, okay, what are some of the things you can do that are non surgical, that actually do work? I, I have, I will say you're going to want to listen to her second episode, which we're not going to talk about today, but we talk about a lot of things that are like, a waste of your money and waste your time. She's very, very intelligent and doesn't waste her time. But I do think that what she talked about is people are not viewing rejuvenation as being vain anymore. They're actually seen as a form of self-care. And I do think there's a balance of what can we do as part of our self-care routine that makes us feel better about how we look, so we feel better about how we look.

Brad Crowell 13:46  

Yeah. That's what I was gonna say, hardcore.

Lesley Logan 13:51  

Well, I don't know, like, here's the thing, I really appreciate, I forget which actress it was, what's that beautiful woman? Not Diane Lane is beautiful, but she also did one of the Fast and the Furious. She's like a dame, gray hair actress.

Brad Crowell 14:06  

There were 10 or 11 Fast and the Furious movies. 

Lesley Logan 14:09  

I know the more of the recent of them, and she is like, she also was in like a beautiful bathing suit in the tabloids. And I was like, I want to look like her when I'm when I'm 80. I can't think of it. Everyone's yelling at her in their car right now, but you know who I'm talking about. She talked about how, like, she said, don't like, she's letting wrinkles happen. And I also would like to let those things happen. And there are some things that just bother me, and I don't want them to, and they become a distraction for me, being it till I see it. So I do think that if like how you look is affecting how you're operating your day. It is, there is a point where you do need to actually address, like, what is going on here, because it's becoming an obstacle. I'll look it up while you say what you loved. 

Brad Crowell 14:52  

Yeah. So one thing I thought was important was this conversation of. 

Lesley Logan 14:58  

Helen Mirren. 

Brad Crowell 14:59  

That was really fast. And I'm very impressed. 

Brad Crowell 15:01  

Do you know what I looked up? I said, older actress, stunning, fast and the furious. She's on top of the searches.

Brad Crowell 15:12  

I went to IMDb and I started with Fast and the Furious. I was like, there's so many actors. 

Lesley Logan 15:17  

You gotta go with my, my way.

Brad Crowell 15:23  

Yeah, I just, I just thought I wanted to comment about what you had said about what your topic was, that we beat ourselves up over this idea that we're gonna like focusing on how we look is somehow wrong, and I, and I think that.

Lesley Logan 15:39  

But then also, everything your entire life is based on how you look. You know, like we're told not to focus on how we look. However, especially if you were raised as a woman in the church, how you look could make your brother stumble, so you better figure that out. But then also, you better be sexy for your husband, or he's gonna wander. And then, oh, if you look too old, you're not going to get the job, because they don't want an older woman, like, like, so there's all this stuff about how we're not supposed to care how we look, but actually, everything is about how we look. And if you're a dude, you just get fucking hotter as you get older. And it's really annoying.

Brad Crowell 16:14  

Well, I love that you took all the words right out of my mouth. So here's what I was going to say, is that I think it's important to that it when we are holding ourselves to this idea that feeling like we want to care about how we look is wrong, somehow. What she mentioned was confidence, and I liked that because I thought, Hey, why do we buy a nice shirt or buy some, you know, dress shoes, you know, for the office, because we like the way that we look in those and it gives us this idea that we got it together. And I don't know why we would think that it's okay to buy a nice blouse or blazer or shoes but not do the same thing for our face or our skincare or our weight or our working out, or whatever.

Lesley Logan 17:14  

The food we eat or the yeah, yeah, yeah, the things that we do to make ourselves feel good. I agree. I think that makes a lot of sense.

Brad Crowell 17:22  

Yeah. So, you know, anyway, my point is that it is I think it's okay. I think it's okay. 

Lesley Logan 17:31  

I, here's the thing, I really have come to a place where it's like, if the thing that you do for yourself doesn't affect anyone else negatively, it's none of my fucking business.

Brad Crowell 17:43  

Okay, here's, here's, let's actually start with, because I'm logical, let's actually start with the definition of vanity. 

Lesley Logan 17:50  

Okay, let's do that. 

Brad Crowell 17:52  

Excessive pride. Well, excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements. Excessive pride, right?

Lesley Logan 18:01  

So walking around telling everyone I'm so fucking stunning.

Brad Crowell 18:02  

I'm so amazing. Look how awesome I am. Look how beautiful I am, right? That is vanity, but giving a shit about how you look is not vanity, right? That we've conflated this idea and we beat ourselves up. 

Lesley Logan 18:17  

Brad, you're fucking brilliant. It's like the word selfish, like, how self-care has become selfish care, like the fact that you'd spend any extra amount of time thinking about yourself instead of your children, the people you work for, the people you do things for the people you love. Like, that's selfish. This is amazing. And I do love this because, okay, Amy Cuddy, whose TED Talk is where the title of this podcast came from, and if anyone knows her, I would love that interview. But she talked about how she does study about the power stance, the Wonder Woman stance, when you do it for five minutes, you actually appear and feel more confident in an interview. They did a literal scientific study, and they had people not stand in a power stance and sit slumped for five minutes, bad posture. And then go in, and then they ask them, how confident you feel. They ask the interviewers, how confident did they seem? Did they appear? You figuring out what rejuvenation and as a form of self-care that works for you, which is very different, that works for me, very different than anyone else, that is like staying in the power stance. It's an action. It's something that you're doing so that you can show up as your whole self and give the world like the version of you that that will make an impact. Yeah, that cannot be bad. I'm in. 

Brad Crowell 18:37  

Yeah. And I think that, you know, when we have confidence, obviously it allows us to deliver our, you know, purpose in life better. It makes us enjoy what we're doing more. It definitely just changes the way we show up in our community and the way that we see ourselves. Right? So, you know, and the world sees that too. You know, when we put effort into ourselves, we show the world that we are valuable because we value ourselves. And I think that is also important, is that we that that belief in yourself, right, the knowledge that you are worthy, even though it seems internal, it is very visible to other people. When you know that you belong there to do the thing you know, or you believe you belong there, to do the thing other people perceive that they pick up on that. 

Lesley Logan 20:25  

Well, yeah, and also, like, and just, I'm gonna tell you one of your points, she we're talking about this. We're talking about rejuvenation, way that looks natural and feels good, that builds confidence. We're not talking about like, go overdo it. We know the people who look like they're overdone, you know, like, you know, we're not talking about getting a new face like the Kardashian mom. We're talking about like, just like, and it's we're not talking about doing Botox or or surgery. It can be as simple as, like, massaging your face, or the type that money you spend on the moisturizer that makes you feel good, like, these are, we're talking non surgical approaches.

Brad Crowell 21:03  

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I think when you are that, because we think that self-care equals vanity, that's where we're going wrong. But when we, when we can separate the two and understand that vanity is excessive. You know, celebration of your beauty or your achievements, that is obtuse, that is annoying, that is like, you don't want to listen, you don't want to be around somebody like that. We all know people like that. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 21:31  

There's the song you're so vain, you probably think the song is about you. That is a definition.

Brad Crowell 21:43  

But when you care about yourself, you know it's okay to to put yourself first and make that part of your self-care routine and you know. 

Lesley Logan 21:53  

Well, I also think you're I'm not (inaudible) you up. I'm so sorry. This is our ADHD problem. I think if something is keeping you from showing up and making the impact in your world, and it has to do with your looks. It is not vain or selfish to do something about it, if it's if, if that thing is keeping you from actually showing up as your whole self to make the impact you so desire to make, the world is missing out. 

Brad Crowell 22:18  

Yeah. Actually, a great example would be braces, or Invisalign, or, you know, even, like surgical, surgery, surgery on your teeth. Like it comes across as, like a crazy expense sometimes, but, you know, night and day difference we, we've had, I've had a really close friend of mine growing up who had surgery in his 20s, and he smiles now, you know. And I remember seeing the difference in him because he never he was no longer judging himself, you know, (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 22:19  

I watched something where this girl, every time she'd smile, she or laugh out loud, put her hand in front of her mouth, because she doesn't want people to see her teeth and and then, through this one organization, they fixed them. And no one would say that she's being fucking vain. No one would. And because we're now.

Brad Crowell 23:12  

I mean that was surgery, that was surgery. This subject, we're not necessarily talking about it, but like Invisalign, or braces (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 23:18  

If it's going to make you smile a little brighter, going back to World Kindness Day and making people feel seen, I would hate for someone to not get the joy from your smile. When people smile at me, I'm like, Oh, hi. Like it just brightens your day, like it snaps you out of the whirlwind that's in your mind. And I just, I was really excited to have her on because I thought it was a really honest conversation about about inner beauty and what we what would make us feel good. And I just don't think there's anything wrong. And I think it's really important you hear this, there is nothing wrong with doing things for yourself that make you feel beautiful. And if you were ever told that focusing on what makes you feel beautiful is wrong. There's some deconstruction and some, I really, when we took my eyelashes, my fake eyelashes off, it was really hard for me. It was extremely hard. I didn't look the same anymore. I had to do a lot of self-talk, but I went to Sephora, literally the next day, I was like, you have to help me. I look like a molten like a mole rat. And that is an actual thing that exists. And yes, I did look like a mole rat, if you look it up, but I she taught me, okay, the best makeup starts with the best skincare for you, she said to me, and that's what Rachel's also talked about, the non surgical approaches. And then the second thing is, by that girl teaching me a couple tricks with makeup, I could show up and do my tour as my whole self in a non-distracted way. Because I was like, Oh, my God, people are gonna be staring at me. Talk about the braces and the weird things. I have no eyelashes. That is not what people are used to seeing. Okay? So, so I just think that, like, I if it's okay, I believe it, because I felt it. I've been there. I've been there when you're like, Oh my God, my face is numb from the dentist. Like, I don't even want to see me. If things like that are keeping you from showing up on a daily basis, you owe it to yourself and the people that you can impact on this world to find some way to fill that natural confidence by taking care of yourself. So that's what I think.

Brad Crowell 25:24  

All right, awesome. Well, I think we've, we've talked through that pretty exhaustively. 

Lesley Logan 25:28  

I feel good about it. 

Brad Crowell 25:29  

Yeah, stick around. We'll be right back. We have some more tips from Rachel and the Be It Action Items. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 25:36  

Welcome back. Finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Rachel Varga? She said, Hey, high protein and creatine, right? High protein intake, one gram to one and a half grams of protein per pound of body weight. Now, you probably heard Lesley mention this a lot. She definitely is on board with this. She said. 

Lesley Logan 26:00  

It's so hard. Just be kind to yourself. 

Brad Crowell 26:02  

It's hard, but, but, you know, there's, there are ways, and actually, a lot of it had to do with changing the food that we're eating. For example, I had a high protein bagel today, you know. And you know, it was, I don't even know what it was, a lot of protein for a bagel. And so they're, you know, eggs, and all those extra beans.

Lesley Logan 26:18  

I, we're not sponsored by them. But hi, Owyn, they have a 32 gram protein shake, and it's only what you need. There's nothing weird about it, I'm sure. Like, look, the biohackers would not like that we're talking about processed food, but it takes time to switch your diet around. And if you're trying to do this, it does take time. So pick a meal a day and kind of work your way towards her. But I wanted to say, I fucking love that her, Be It Action Items have nothing to do with like, going to a med spa. 

Brad Crowell 26:45  

Right, to do beauty stuff or whatever. Yeah, I mean, because it's just like your your your Sephora experience, she said the best way to fix your eyelashes is your skincare, right? So the in this case, she's Rachel's talking about high protein and creatine, because when you she started lifting heavy and focusing on high protein, it gave her more inner power activation, and that was great for her skin, right, So that's, that's, that's.

Lesley Logan 27:14  

And there's tons, ladies who are listening, we have a lot of perimenopausal women. There's a ton of research on doubling up on that creatine.

Brad Crowell 27:20  

Yeah. And she also talked about collagen, because collagen will also help your skin. If you're watching YouTube, you can laugh along with me.

Lesley Logan 27:31  

I've been doing collagen since, like, religiously, since 2016 because in 2015 I did a test, and the guy's like, you have no collagen. And then a year later I did the test, he's like, okay, so you you're off the charts in collagen. And I was like, is that a bad thing? Should I, like, slow it down? And he's like, I think you could be okay. And I have not slowed it down.

Brad Crowell 27:48  

So we've got a call to action for you here if you want to go to theschoolofradiance.com theschoolofradiance.com, you can use a promo code, LesleyLogan15, L-E-S-L-E-Y Logan15 for 15% off one of her membership. She said there's also a free 30-minute biohacking lesson you can get on there that has a checklist, her skincare checklist, and it's available on her site. 

Lesley Logan 28:11  

And also, like, depending on where you live, the seasons change your skincare routine has to as well. 

Brad Crowell 28:16  

Yeah. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 28:18  

Okay, another interesting non-meds related, Be It Action Item, which is just why I love her, right? Like you don't like, it doesn't have to always be like, get this moisturizer. She recommended breath work, specifically during exercise, to keep cortisol down and remain in a parasympathetic rest and digest state, which helps slow aging and collagen loss. So this is what I love, because in the like, people are gonna try to sell you stuff all the time, and this is fucking free. So breathe in for four seconds, hold it for four seconds, exhale for four seconds, and do that four to five times, by the way, it's called Box breathing as well. And she explains that elevated cortisol results in a drop in estrogen. When estrogen falls, collagen, elastin fall too. So you want to breathe, because it's going to help slow your aging down, and that costs $0.

Brad Crowell 29:14  

Yeah, she said, you two were specifically talking about lifting in the gym. And she said the guys will try to spike their cortisol. And she said, I don't want to do that. 

Lesley Logan 29:23  

Yeah, also, and I know there's and I being a woman today, it's like, what are we listening to? Look, keeping your cortisol down is always going to be a good thing, especially if you're in perimenopause or post it'll help your sleep, which is going to help you age better. But also, when you're doing Pilates, this is something that people struggle with. You got to breathe in and out through your nose, because that keeps you cool. It keeps you calm, it keeps you grounded, keeps that cortisol down, which helps you age slower. I love this. She's coming back because I was like, Oh my God, I didn't even get to all the tools. Like, do I need to buy this? Do you buy this? Do I need to buy this? And she is going to change her life with that. I'll let you know when the episode's coming out, of course, but until next time, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 30:08  

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Lesley Logan 30:08  

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In this illuminating conversation of Be It Till You See It, aesthetic nurse and biohacker Rachel Varga joins Lesley Logan to discuss how to achieve lasting radiance by aligning health, mindset, and beauty. She shares how lowering inflammation, managing stress, and purifying your environment can help you look and feel your best—proving that confidence and feeling at peace are the real anti-aging secrets.

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• How Rachel’s nursing career evolved into a holistic approach to beauty and biohacking.
• The science behind lowering inflammation to boost vitality and radiance.
• Why redefining vanity as self-respect empowers confidence and self-care.
• Everyday habits that support graceful aging through stress management and sleep.
• How cultivating peace and integrity supports inner and outer radiance.

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Rachel Varga, BSN, RN, CANS, is a Double Board Certified Aesthetic Nurse Specialist. Since 2011, Rachel has been offering medical aesthetic rejuvenation in the specialty of Oculoplastics and is known for providing a natural and healthy-looking transformation and educating through her show "The School of Radiance" podcast. She has performed over 20,000 rejuvenation procedures and is also a trainer for other practitioners on rejuvenation procedures including medical grade skin care, laser skin rejuvenation, injectables including neuromodulators and dermal fillers, and slowing aging in general. Rachel is passionate about delivering the highest standard of care, with a focus on what the patient’s specific rejuvenation goals are, and a tailored approach to suit their needs, values, and lifestyle. She has published multiple research articles on rejuvenation protocols for the eyelids, jawline, and overall skin health transformation. Rachel is known for her gentle touch, natural-looking results, and making her patients feel comfortable, and at ease with her caring bedside manner that originated in pediatric nursing before beginning her career in medical aesthetics in 2011. She will guide you in creating your customized rejuvenation plan and skincare routine to achieve your goals through one-on-one sessions, expert 7-week seasonal skincare tutorials, and year-long membership for the deeper layers of being beautifully radiant at TheSchoolofRadiance.com. Rachel Varga is one of the first to blend Western approaches to skin care and rejuvenation, functional insights, and biohacking optimization strategies. By blending the best of these worlds and observing what her most radiant patients are doing she will also help guide you on your path to healthy skin and vibrancy for many years…

 

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Episode Transcript:

Rachel Varga 0:00  

I take this approach of longer lasting beauty through biohacking, because when we reduce inflammation and toxins on all fronts, we then set our body up for success, for being our most radiant versions. And the more radiant we are, the more high vibe we are, the more we can get what we desire out of life, in both our personal and professional lives, and be great people, because our bodies are operating properly.

Lesley Logan 0:32  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

 

Lesley Logan 1:11  

Hi, Be It babe. Okay, this is gonna be a really fun conversation. I wanted to have this conversation for a while, and it's really like, I'm intrigued by all this, right? I want to, I want to actually look and feel good for as long as possible, but not in like, a crazy, like, change how I look dramatic way, but like, as in a no, this is like, I want to look like me. And so when I met our guest today, because I was on her amazing podcast, Rachel Varga, she's the host of the School of Radiance, and I was like, oh, I vibe with this person. I really like what they're saying. It's intelligent. It's from a place of research and science and methodologies, and she is so knowledgeable about biohacking and things we can do when it comes to med spas and what we're doing with to support ourselves and how we feel and how we look, and then we go on a wide range of topics. We don't hit everything I want to talk about, so I'm going to have to do this again. But I really think you're going to, one, learn a ton and have a lot of permission get granted, because maybe it's not something you have to do to you, maybe it's something you would get to do around you, or maybe it's about changing something in your environment, right? So now I'm going to let Rachel Varga give you all of her amazing wisdom. 

Lesley Logan 2:26  

All right, Be It babe, this conversation is one I've been really wanting to have, but it had to be with a special person, and so I've been waiting the 500 plus episodes to find the person who we can have a conversation about radiance and how we how our how we can age the way we want to, and look good doing it without feeling like we're being vain or going too far. And so Rachel Varga is our guest today. Rachel, can you tell, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Rachel Varga 2:51  

Yes, Lesley, so great to be here, and we had a fantastic interview on my show recently, the School of Radiance podcast. And, so technically, I'm a nurse, and I've been an esthetics nurse since 2011 so I've been in the game for the rejuvenation side of things for a while. Been in that game, published research papers. You can look my name up on PubMed, Rachel Varga, you'll see my eye rejuvenation papers, jawline rejuvenation papers. And then I also teach other doctors and nurses internationally how to do rejuvenation from the non surgical side of things that like injectables. And I know we're going to talk a little bit about that, what we can do that's cleaner options, what's actually going to work and give us the results that we desire. And so I love to teach, and I love to talk about what we can actually do at home. So on this podcast, we'll talk about the lifestyle side of things, and kind of delineate what we can do at home and then what's available in the clinic. But I take this approach of longer lasting beauty through biohacking, because when we reduce inflammation and toxins on all fronts, we then set our body up for success, for being our most radiant versions. And the more radiant we are, the more high vibe we are, the more we can get what we desire out of life, in both our personal and professional lives, and be great people, because our bodies are operating properly.

Lesley Logan 4:23  

I love this because I love that you can they it's almost like a there's a few different prongs. So if you're someone who's like, I don't want to do surgery, I don't want to do the injectables like people start to look like cat ladies at some point. And I'm sure that's not all injectables do that. I'm sure there's a point which one could stop. But the idea that we there's things we could do at home, it sounds why wouldn't you, like, Why? Why wouldn't you want to do something at home? So before we get into that, though, I do want to kind of know, like, did you always want to get into esthetics? Was this something that you could wear, like, interested as a kid? Like, were you doing makeup? Like, how? Like, what was the journey that got you here?

Rachel Varga 4:59  

Yeah. Okay, well, practically speaking, my mom's an RN, and I saw how hard she worked, but I also saw that it was a great job. It's a great way to be in that nurturing, supportive, healthy role in the family. It's like something happens to the kiddos, like you know what's going on, or your partner or yourself. It's just great knowledge to have from a nursing perspective for yourself and those you love. My father's are carpenter and so I always had this eye for, oh, that bumper is a little not so straight, or that picture is a little canted. So I had this eye for symmetry and proportions from that, and then also the health side of things. But I saw my mother really struggle as a night nurse. And she did night nursing, so shift work, it's just brutal in extended care for her pretty well entire career, she got breast cancer. She was, at one point, weighed 220 pounds. So she was the type of woman, great woman over gave, did the shift work. So I learned early in my career that I didn't want to be that kind of nurse. And did Pediatric Nursing, pediatric ICU care for a couple years. And during that time in my nursing education, I'd had a few rejuvenation procedures myself too, both surgically and non surgically, and to myself, the aftercare information like the pre post care wasn't great, and for me, going through nursing training, I was obviously watching all the vlogs online. There aren't really a lot of professionals actually talking about this stuff, and I think it's kind of interesting, and people want to know how to get the most out of what they're investing in in the clinic, and, of course, at home, and how to recover before and after non surgical or non surgical rejuvenation options. And thought I wanted to be a doctor. So did all the med school prerequisites, chem, Organic Chem, biochem. And while I was doing prerequisites and applying to med school, which I did for one year, I got a job as an esthetics nurse, did my injectable training, started in ocular plastics in 2011 and just loved the field. I loved the pace. The hours were great, and I would get access to anything and everything. Then something happened. I met my good friend Dave Asprey. Actually helped get his face ready for superhuman so when you look at that book cover, that's my work. Oh, what's this biohacking stuff? This is pretty cool. Started to do some of it myself, cold plunging, intermittent fasting, more protein, adding antioxidants, amino acids, all sorts of great stuff that's in the biohacking world, red light therapy. And then I was in two car crashes. I had to really lean into the biohacking and recovery side of things and supplementation so that I wasn't hurting all the time, and so that I would recover faster. And partner has been a pro athlete as well, so very in tune with the athletic recovery side of things too. Then something interesting happened. The better I cared for myself from an inflammation perspective, I didn't need as much rejuvenation. Scars were fading after just a couple of days post breakout, instead of for months, and I'd have to laser that redness away. I didn't need to do neuromodulators every three months, I would actually go anywhere from like, a year to a year and a half in between.

Lesley Logan 8:45  

For the people who are like, what's a neuromodulator,

Rachel Varga 8:49  

The brand names that you probably know about are Botox, Xeomin, Dysport, Nuceiva, Jeuveau. There's always new ones growing up. So the technical term for those is neuromodulators. And then I also started to notice, oh, wow, I'm not burning in the sun in 10 minutes anymore. These deoxidants, this reducing inflammation, is actually allowing me to go outside and enjoy my life more. And I as a researcher, put together a paper for the biohacking community a couple years ago. What are some of the biohacks that actually can support slowing aging in sort of like a methodical framework, kind of way, because there's so many bright, shiny objects in the in the biohacking and wellness space, like, what actually should we start with?

Lesley Logan 9:42  

This is insane. So this journey that you went on, like, first of all, you met the person. Like, yeah, you were like, you just met them. And then you needed what they had. Like, thank goodness you met them, because you put, who knows how long would have taken you to stumble upon biohacking in that way. And then it got you to see how it worked on the things that you already do. I can it's interesting to me because, like, I think some people in your field would be like, what is the need for me if I could just biohack my way to blemish-free skin that can be out in the sun, you know what I mean. But obviously, like, there's, there's kind of a place for everything. You know, there's also like, what works for you and what helps with what you need. And so I love the idea for those at home who are like, well, what are some like, what are like? Maybe they could Google what an antioxidant is. But like, what are some things that they should be thinking about when it comes to inflammation and things that can affect how they look? Because I think sometimes people go, Oh, I'm just older. And we were taught like, Oh, you're 40, so now you're 50. Like, these things happen. But from what I understand in biohacking, you can actually do a whole lot. It's not about the age, it's kind of about what you're eating and what you're doing.

Rachel Varga 10:54  

Yeah, you could actually test instead of guess what your biological age is. And I do this usually about once a year, and my biological age, last time I tested it was nine years younger than my chronological age. So doing something right. 

Lesley Logan 11:11  

I love that. 

Rachel Varga 11:14  

When I started to speak on the anti aging, the functional, integrative and wellness sides of things, being an aesthetic nurse, like a traditionally trained nurse, and then in the specialty of aesthetic medicine, I was kind of the odd one out, a little bit misunderstood, especially in the rare community that I'm in, people didn't really get it. It's more like a California and Florida kind of thing, where people in there, in those states in particular, really big into anti aging medicine, and so that was a bit tough for me. But you know what, some of us were just pioneers in the space. And Dave is more of a disruptor, and I'm more of like an encourager. If I can do it, you can do it too. 

Lesley Logan 11:59  

Yeah. And I think, like, you know, the I, what a great place where you can go, okay, here are your options. We can do these things, and here's how often you'd have to do them, and we can absolutely do them, or we can do this thing, and then this is how often, or you could also do this at home. And then it would make whatever we're doing here would support that, or it would reduce your need for that, is that what I'm hearing, like, the biohacking, like, really supports what you do?

Rachel Varga 12:26  

Bingo. So for me to speak on things, because I am a traditionally trained RN, I have to be able to speak on things that are published in the literature. There wasn't really anything, and I knew this worked. I would see it in my before and after photos. See, you know, 70 to 90 year olds looking fantastic, and they barely need anything. They were aging better. So the jawline paper that I wrote, I basically put in that paper an algorithm for rejuvenation, starting with skin care, then getting into maybe at home peels and at home dermarolling, doing some in-clinic lasers for reds, browns and collagen, you know, resurfacing pore size, polishing the skin, and then the non surgical injectables. So say you guys all probably hear the word Botox, so neuromodulators and fillers and then surgery. So to start from a space of least invasive, you know, do some things, see if you're happy with those results, you might not need the surgery, but surgery definitely does have a place, coming from ocular plastic surgery for the eyelids. And so I wrote a paper on that, basically an algorithm do least invasive to most invasive, and then the Oxidative Stress Status and Its Impacts on Skin Aging paper that was more like a framework of what's the lifestyle stuff that we can do to actually clean up and purify our environment by purifying our air, water, lighting, electromagnetics, testing, instead of guessing the foods that we're eating and then getting into detoxing. And when you do all those things, you should actually be able to get better results from your treatments. And if you go on message boards for people that have issues after injectables or lasers, chances are there was a degree of autoimmune conditions running in the background, or their toxic bucket was really full. They had rejuvenation bucket tipped over, and they had a manifestation of some underlying things that were happening. And then also, during the process of writing those papers, I came across some data. This is why it's not a nice to do. It's a need to do, to look after yourself, that autoimmune conditions, or, more precisely, deaths of unknown causes, which I reached back to the source of you know, what does this category actually mean, autoimmune condition or someone passing away before diagnosis, it actually doubled in 2019 compared to the data six years earlier in Canada, this is Canadian information, and then it doubled again in 2021. So autoimmune stuff for skin is like, eczema, psoriasis, those are typically the skin stuff that we see. 

Lesley Logan 15:25  

It's interesting that you brought that up because it is like, I think people are like, there's so many people with autoimmune it's like, well, now that we know what to test for. The thing about tests, that's the thing, when we it was all, there, it has probably been there for a really long time. The doubling in such a short period of time is scary, but also it, you know, if the tests weren't right arranging or the doctors don't know to test for these things. But I love that you brought that. I like how you bring that up. It's like if you had stuff run in the background, if you were already inflamed, and then you do something that can add to that, like, it is just like the needle that broke the haystack. And so then the things get the blame when it's a whole host of things that are going on. And so I think this is really cool. You know it's and I don't want to be ignorant, so I think it's really, to me, what I find interesting is that, like, I would never have associated a biohacker with someone who would also be doing any of these treatments. Like I would, you know what I mean? Like, I think people think you're either nothing goes in your body except for these things, or you're, like, whatever, It's a free rein, I can do whatever I want. And so to find someone who sits in the middle, I actually think it gives people a lot more permission. And I actually one of the things I want to talk with you about is, like, just permission, like, I think a lot of people feel bad or feel embarrassed or feel like they shouldn't talk about that they want to make any changes to how they look, because we do live in a place now where, thankfully, people are more accepting and people have been taught to not hate their bodies like we should love our bodies. In fact, your body is listening to you. So part of biohacking would actually be to not talk about the things you don't like about your body because your body's listening. But how can we think about like is it vain for us to want to want to change things on our face, or to want to look a little younger, to want to look a little fresher? Is that? Is that a bad thing? Like, should we not be wanting to change these things? We just be happy with how we look?

Rachel Varga 17:11  

I think that there's a similarity here with this concept of imposter syndrome. Everyone who starts to do something new is like, Oh my gosh. I don't know of like, Can I do this? Am I gonna get laughed at? I think it's that's just as common as the shadow side of beauty, which is, is this vain? Am I doing something that's selfish to care for myself? One of the reframes that I love to talk about is self-care, self-love. I get so many sweet downloads when I'm doing my skincare, I'm blow drying my hair, I'm doing my beautification, my makeup, putting on a cute outfit, looking at myself in the mirror, it's like, Oh, wow. I had three hours of sleep last night. How the heck do I look this good? Well, there's some biohacks that I did to hack a bad sleep and why I had a bad sleep, which is hilarious. So we can definitely talk about that. But the vanity component is essentially the shadow side of beauty and radiance at its core. So I love to investigate the psychological, the energetic things behind everything as well, because everything is energy. And we're seeing a shift now, though. In about 2018, a number of my clients started to ask me, Rachel, what can I do for healthier skin I want to improve my skin health. So I really started to notice the shift. And then now fast forward to the year that we are in now, every med spa, well, the ones that are, you know, up with the current times, are doing things like NAD infusions, they're offering weight loss, they're offering hormone support, and all of these different things that we're now seeing a really exciting time in the med spa industry, the functional space, integrative and biohacking space, coming together. It's almost like this bifurcation point a couple years ago, but I did see the writings on the wall back in about 2018 that this was going to happen, and now this is what the most notable med spas in the world are doing, is they're incorporating all these things because people want to go to a one-stop shop and not necessarily just look at rejuvenation as being vain, but a form of self-care. They're doing other things as well that they're investing time and energy in, or they might have a health spending account that makes them feel better, because when you feel better, you look better, and when you look better, you feel better. So what I like to suggest, if someone is really grappling with, okay, money's tight or I feel vain about doing this, feel like that money should go to my kids or whatever. But if something's bothering you for a while, say, for example, lines between the brows, or lines to the forehead, or hooded upper eyelids, lower eye bags, melasma, pigmentation, red acne scars, large pores, acne scarring, losing sharpness to the jaw, lines, jowls, fullness to the neck, the list goes on. But if something is really bothering you and you're looking at yourself in the mirror, be like, I really love to do something about that, because it's the one thing that kind of bugs me. I think that the benefit of knowing that, hey, there are some really great health non surgical, or surgical things that we can do to actually support those things. But my angle is, okay, what's the least toxic thing that we can do to give the best results? What is going to give the most long term benefits? So that's why sometimes surgery, like eyelid surgery, is one of the most common surgeries performed to remove excess eyelid tissue. That's actually probably even going to cost less money than trying to do all these other non surgical things, and you have a longer result. So it just depends on everybody's situation. But the vanity thing is something I think every single person grapples with, if they're completely honest with themselves, and then they do it. They do their rejuvenation, they bump up their at home skincare routine, they purify their environment, like, Oh, I feel better. I'm gonna keep doing this, because it's something I do for myself, kind of like getting your (inaudible) you always feel so much better after you have, you know, fresh highlights or whatever. 

Lesley Logan 21:36  

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think, like, there's a difference between doing something because you think it's going to get you people's reaction from people, and doing something for yourself. You know, I think if you are do making changes to yourself, because for other people, that would be a problem, but if you're doing it for yourself, like you said, you don't like the way your pores are. I have my mom, she has talked about the eyelid surgery, and I saw her recently in person. I was like, Oh, poor thing. I don't know. Can you see? Get like, you know, like, and that's not a vain thing. It's also like a necessity, necessity thing, but also like in being it till you see it, some of these things are taking up so much brain space that they're holding us back from coming out and showing people who we are like, if you're not putting yourself out there because you have a scar or you have you don't like the way something looks, that that does bother me, because it does mean that the world is missing out on what your gift is. You know, there are people that you're the only person who can do what you do, and if you're hiding yourself for whatever reason, then that is a bummer, because those people miss out on it and they end up getting swindled by somebody else. So I, I'm of the place, like, if it's for you and it's going to help you show up as the best version of yourself, like, you know, you really do have to look, look into that. But I also love your approach of, like, what's the least invasive, least toxic, most long lasting. And I think if we, I think if we go with that approach, as opposed to quick fixes, then we all, and that goes for everything, not just even for the things you do with your face.

Rachel Varga 23:11  

100% Oh, you touched on so many beautiful things. So we're gonna back this, because there's some nuggets here for everybody. What happens when you go into the wild, you know, if you're, if you're anything like me, you're working from home, you're going to the gym, you're going to the grocery store, going to church, you know, some work in social events, but that's kind of what the lifestyle looks like. But when we and sometimes I want speeches, and that's super fun, I get all glammed up when you go out into the wild and you see two kinds of people, you see the one person that I just have my hair and, like, a cute little dancer's button I got my workout outfit on. You would love it. It's, like, very Pilates appropriate. 

Lesley Logan 23:56  

I saw it when you (inaudible) I was like, that's so cute. I need a little shawl for my my one my jumpsuit.

Rachel Varga 24:02  

Oh and I love my body, and I work hard. I lift weights, work on the flexibility, stability, cardio, strength, all those things. I feel fantastic because it brings me in my body as well. W e're very grounding at the end of the day, when you see that individual that they got a little bit of makeup on, they brush their hair, they don something cute, even if it's a little bun, and they have a smile, and they're bright, and they're connecting. Compared to the other person that's just schlepping it. They got their PJ pants on or their sweat pants, they're not put together at all, and they just look like they legitimately rolled out of bed. It's like, okay, something's going on with that person. Oh, this person's really showing up for themselves. They're, you know, putting effort into their appearance. What that actually communicates when you show the world that you're valuable because you value yourself, that's powerful. And if you're showing the world that you just rolled out of bed, your life's a mess, people aren't actually going to value you in the same way. I know that sounds really brutal, but you will be more valued in your relationships. In the professional space, you'll have better relationships. You'll probably be able to make more money, because there's also research to show that people actually who care for themselves the way that they look, earn higher income. But the cool part here that you touched on for you know, reactions for other people is it for yourself. I've seen that where ladies have come to me and their boyfriends in the waiting room and they say, I want to get my lips done. And their lips are already like fantasy lips, if you know what I mean. And I just say to them, no, that's gonna go. If I do anymore, it's gonna really put your lips out of the ideal ratios that actually creates beautiful lips. So you're not a candidate for this treatment. Obviously, there's some body dysmorphia that can have too. However, when we do rejuvenation in a way that looks natural, feels good for us. You know, the body's just like, yes, I want to do this. But thinking about it for a while, it helps to build confidence. Something very interesting about confidence, actually, is that the more confident we are, the better able we're going to be in showing up and building our community. And community is a deep survival need. We're not meant to go through life on our own. We're not meant to over give. We're meant to be supported and receive from those around us, and obviously have it be reciprocated. But the there's the value component, there's the confidence component, there's the community component as well. So there's a lot of really beautiful things actually, about beauty and what it does to our lives.

Lesley Logan 27:00  

Yeah, and I do, I find it's like, so I used to work at a studio when I lived in L.A., I'd have to, like, leave the house and obviously, how I run and how I shop at the gym, different things, but anything before 7 a.m. that's what different. But when I would go to my studio, I would get dressed to work, go to work, I would teach the whole thing. When I started working from home, I noticed like, oh, I'm not in front of the camera today, so I would just kind of like, still be in the same clothes I did my walk and my workout in, and I was like, starting to slowly feel down about myself and having to give myself more pep talks. And I was doing my fake eyelashes, and they kept getting bigger and wrong, and I kept giving them feedback. And I was like, I don't really like how this is looking. So then I got rid of the fake eyelashes, and now I'm like, well, now I'm a bald eagle, and now I think I'm over at and and I was like, hold on. I also could learn how to do makeup for my natural lashes, and I could get dressed each day, like, how would if I got dressed each day? And what I realized is, by using the clothes in my closet and getting dressed and having a routine of putting my makeup on and and things like that. All those things actually made me feel better. So that whole little haze that, like cloud that was kind of like following around, kind of like an oppression commercial. I don't know if you havethem in Canada, but we have them here, where they're, like, trying to sell you like this cloud that just like hovers over this girl as she walks around, the cloud's gone. I was like, oh, over time, I slowly became used to not doing these things that felt like a waste of time or like not a big deal who's seeing me, and the more I actually spent time with myself. It's not to go back to the vanity topic, It's not vain. It actually just made it easier for me to show up as myself and put myself out there. Because I wasn't going, Oh God, my hair is a mess. Like, like, I, like, got ready for the day, just like, as if I went out into the world to go to work. And so I would say, like, it's really easy for us to go, oh, the world expects us to look a certain way. And really, I actually think the world is quite obsessed with people who are confidently walking in front of them, people who are confidently walking in a room like it. Actually, I'm always amazed, like the people who are famous or infamous and things like that, like some of them, I would never consider like a natural form of beauty, but people are excited about them because they're so calm they walk in, they have their head held high. And so I think if we just go back to like, what are you doing for yourself to help you show up to be the person you want to be, like, those things can't be wrong.

Rachel Varga 29:25  

Very well said, the, I love this show so much. I love connecting with you, Lesley, I think you're fantastic. You're hitting the nail on the head of, like, really deep topics around beauty and rejuvenation and not enough people are kind of talking about this stuff, the concept of feeling down and self-talk. Let's break that down for a second. A lot of us say, Oh, my fine lines and wrinkles, or, you know, my elevens, or my acne scars, or from an injury perspective, because a lot of you listening are ahletic and sometimes injuries can happen when you're doing new things and pushing your limits and building your strength and your resilience and your readiness and adaptability and all those good things. So instead of saying my whiplash, I detach from it, and I don't say my I say, oh, you know, I'm experiencing this or, Oh, I have a blemish, but I'm not reinforcing it into my identity, because a lot of people have these things that they reinforce into their identity, and then it's like, stuck in their field, if you will. Now we're gonna go just a little bit woo.

Lesley Logan 30:39  

Oh, you know, we used to only be a one woo show, and considering where the world is right now, Brad and I have gone two woos. We're woo woo in it.

Rachel Varga 30:50  

Yeah, very much grounded in the 3d science, I published papers. I just the other day, was teaching 60 doctors in Vancouver. Super fun. I just can't help but notice this group of patients that I observed in my career. This is why I talk about radiance, men and women aged 60 to 90 that had never done any rejuvenation. They would come to see me, either on a video call like this, or in the clinic, and I would look at them and be like, Wow, you look fantastic. Like, yeah, you know a couple of things like, bother me. I'd love to do something about it, but it was just how they carried themselves. So I started to kind of unpack this. What is this? What is this that I'm noticing it's like this inner glow, this inner vibration, and what are the components in their life that are contributing to that, which you can ground to the key determinants of health, which are recognized globally as being important factors to determining how healthy you're probably going to be depending on the environment around you. They had a certain vibe to them. Their skin shown differently. Their voice was different. They were very present. They had a family life, they had a spiritual practice. They had hobbies, they had a community. So I coined this radiance, and then I started to dive into some Ayurvedic texts, and came across the definition of radiance, which I think is one of the best definitions of that word that I've ever come across. It's the electromagnetic projection of all of your body systems. The radiant body is the 10th body, and then we have our body, mind, spirit, energy. There's some other bodies in there, but the radiant body is basically that electromagnetic projection of you and a reflection of how all your operating systems are running into the world. And when you begin to hone and cultivate this radiant energy, it's kind of like you become a queen, and you enter a room and everybody notices you for all the right reasons, you become a magnet. And with that, when you step into that very powerful, radiant, queen, feminine and (inaudible) energy, you also repel vibes of certain people that aren't going to be in your highest it's like you're a magnet, but you're also very attractive.

Lesley Logan 33:22  

Yeah, just like magnets also repel the other side. 

Rachel Varga 33:25  

Exactly. Yes. So magnetic to the right people, the right situations, the right opportunities, and telling yourself (inaudible) oh, you know, there's great things coming just around the corner that are better than I even imagined. And I say that all the time, and it happens all the time. So this becomes you. You become like this force. And one of the most cool things about this as a woman is you get respected, and you are revered by men, not just idolized for looking a certain way, but actually respected and revered, and this is getting into some of the more powerful layers of beauty and radiance. And what you mentioned with your self talk, you probably felt some guilt and shame, right? And those are the lowest vibrations we can possibly sit in. The highest ones are peace love, joy, then there's pre enlightenment, then there's enlightenment. So peace, love, joy, channel your inner (inaudible) that is actually setting the stage for all of your cells and inner machinery and operating systems and field, the human biofield, is an emerging body of science to shine brighter, to slow aging, to feel better, to look better.

Lesley Logan 34:47  

I love this, and I really do believe in it, because there was years ago I listened to a podcast where they said your cells are listening to you, and how you talk about yourself is what you produce. So if you, going back to your like, my scars, my this, it's so important that you do, you don't hold on to those things, because the body is listening and like they actually did some scientific studies, multiple ones. One of them was they took these people, they blindfolded them, they set them in a chair. They were in a room where they could hear a fire burning, right? And they could hear this hot and they could hear like this, when you put, like, water goes right, that whole thing. And they're like, okay, we're gonna take this (inaudible) and we're gonna brand you, right? And these people are like, Oh my God, they're telling, they're describing what the branding mark is going to be. All these things. I don't even know how they clear this, because it sounds like trauma and torture and all the things, however they did it. And what they would do is they would like make the sound, and then they touch the person with a pen, a pen, and the person develop the welt in the shape of the description of what the branding was going to be. Right? Like, now, whether it lasts or not, wasn't part of the thing, but like they the body was like, so prepared for what it was told it was going to become. And another doctor was trying to figure out if it was a scraping of the knee or the drain of the knee that actually was healing these knee issues. So of course, he has to take three groups of people, one where nothing happens, one where they scrape and one where they drain, and then compare the three and the people who had nothing they were just put into they were put under anesthesia. They played, they played a video of a knee surgery happening so that they would hear in their subconscious they were sent to do all the same post surgical protocol as everyone else. They had the same results as the people who had had surgery, because they told themselves, I had surgery, my knee is fixed, and their body did these things. And so I became so conscious of like, what are we actually talking to ourselves about? Because before we go into all the things we could do to change our bodies, before we go into the biohacking foods, and then what type of treatments we could do, how you're talking to yourself, is literally free. It's a, it's a, it's a free thing you can change. It costs nothing.

Rachel Varga 37:01  

when you think of a monk, what are they doing all the time? 

Lesley Logan 37:03  

Oh, we get to see them in Cambodia all the time. They are meditating and they're praying. They give blessings. That's what they're doing, just sitting there meditating.

Rachel Varga 37:15  

And you said something very profound, giving. 

Lesley Logan 37:19  

Blessings. 

Rachel Varga 37:23  

Who you are, depending on what really your reason is for being here. For mine, it's really to activate and initiate men and women around me to be their best versions. I'm very clear on that. So for me and my presence, that's how I serve. That's how I offer. It's how can we be in this state where we engage with others and we brighten their day, we say something kind to them, the way that we move through life is like an offering and a blessing. We first need to fill our cup first, though, that's very important. One of the things that you can channel next time you're in your Pilates or a heavy lifting situation, I do this all the time at the gym. I actually do breath work because for activity as women, especially if you're around that pre perimenopausal, perimenopausal, menopausal and postmenopausal, the body's going through transmissions, and what breaks down collagen and elastin quickly is elevated cortisol, which results in a drop of estrogen. When estrogen falls, collagen, elastin, fall too the more at peace you are, the more in that parasympathetic state you are, the less you're in the sympathetic state with high cortisol, adrenaline, you're going to age slower. You're going to have a slowness of the collagen elastic breakdown. And you could actually just do things to stimulate it, right? Like good skincare, sunscreen on the high real estate areas, mineral only at home, dermarolling, in clinic, lasers to get that collagen back up. Consuming collagen is also great. 10 to 12 grams a day is what's in the literature to actually create those visible skin changes in a month. But what I do when I work out is something hilarious, and I actually did bench press with the bodybuilder gym (inaudible) crew at the gym. I was included. They respect me. They revere me. They see my dedication and hard work. So, you know, I was right there with them get it spotted and encouraged, and here I am elevating their presence as well. But when I work out, and I was actually sharing this with one of the bodybuilders, because they'll do like smelling salts to get them in the sympathetic state, which could be good for the masculine, but for the feminine, we don't want that. We want to keep that cortisol down, what I do, actually, between sets of working out, is go right into parasympathetic breathing. Breathe in for four seconds, hold it for four seconds, exhale for four seconds. And you can do this, do like four to five cycles of that. You can drop into that at any point during the day when you get some news of a task that you need to do. I run like 13 businesses. So there's always, you know, these kind of small fires, and I have to figure out, like, who to delegate what I need to do, blah, blah, blah. But there's always something. So no matter what, I just always drop into that. Have those dates, have that honey, so I have that glycogen. Take those adaptogens to support the adrenals. Do the self care. But the biggest thing, I think, for beauty and slowing aging is, what do you think creates peace?

Lesley Logan 41:05  

What do I think creates peace? In someone's life?

Rachel Varga 41:07  

Yeah, what do you think creates peace in someone's life? 

Lesley Logan 41:10  

Oh, my gosh. Well, I don't, to be honest, my mind is (inaudible) a few places. One, good sleep, that helps with peace. Two, not taking things personally, that could take, I think that could cover a lot of things. Maybe the whole four agreements would create peace and then self love.

Rachel Varga 41:29  

That's beautiful. What actually builds our confidence when you make a decision and we're happy with those decisions that we're making, or making them out of integrity. People who make really bad decisions, they have to live with guilt and shame, and they have terrible sleep. They're tossing and turning, and they got night sweats. All sorts of stuff goes on in someone's nervous system when they constantly have that guilt and shame, operating in the background. Ask for forgiveness, but move towards operating in integrity in every single thing that you do, you will have more peace because you're making better decisions. I wouldn't I can't picture a monk acting out of integrity, right? That's like against their code. So to have that, I just think it's gorgeous. Not taking things personally is also great. So you're recognizing that not everybody is taking as good care of you. You might have different values or lifestyles or what's important to you. So not taking things personally and just kind of witnessing that everyone's on their own journey, and just let go, but just have that knowing that the decisions you're making are out of integrity, and self love is such a beautiful component to that as well because you're telling your body when you're doing your skincare in the am and pm, you're washing your face, you're putting great things on that aren't toxic, and you're doing a lot of the personal development stuff as well, to be the best human that you can be, to be the best woman partner that success in your career, and just be a light in the world and think that and bring beauty. Literally, I've done this. I've just had a terrible day, something's going on, and I put on a cute outfit, do my hair and makeup, and I go engage with someone. They're like, Wow, you look so pretty today. It was like, it brightens my day. My beauty brightened their day. And then send and receive. I give them a compliment of something that I see is beautiful in them, too.

Lesley Logan 43:35  

Yeah, oh my gosh. You know, so many good things. And there was like five, five other things I wanted to get to in today's episodes. We're just gonna have to have you back. We're just gonna have to have you back because I was like, really hoping we could talk about, like, is Gua Sha really working? What are the things I should be doing? So we're just gonna have to do this again, and we're gonna take a brief break and find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. And you already gave us some good stuff, but some Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 43:58  

All right, Rachel, where do they hang out? Where do you hang out? Where can people like stalk you in the best way, get more information, work with you, talk with you, where can we send them?

Rachel Varga 44:08  

Absolutely, I hang out on Instagram. I love to engage with those who are you? They say yes to themselves. They know they're worth it, and they're curious about some of the different options I share a ton of very entertaining education, like, I shared some sleep stuff like, why (inaudible) sleeps because I took creatine too late after my workout. But how did I hack that not so great sleep? I took a little bit more in the next day because it fires up your ATP, anyways, funny stuff like that. As a biohacker and also in the med spa space is over @RachelVargaOfficial, that's my Instagram handle. And then the podcast, really great show, the School of Radiance podcast. And then theschoolofradiance.com is my website, where you can book a one-on-one. You can join my seasonal skin tutorials, where I actually show you how to do Gua Sha, do your skincare, your makeup, your dermarolling peels, retinols, what rejuvenation is great to do that time of year, so basic and advanced stuff over six weeks, great. Not a YouTube tutorial. It's way better. 

Lesley Logan 45:13  

I'm already in. I'm like, hold on, I need to. 

Rachel Varga 45:15  

Super fun, super fun, right? And then the membership is more of that high level. How do we actually activate this radiance and stuff so we can enjoy our lives better and make more money in the process? Those are the two key metrics you're gonna get benefits from.

Lesley Logan 45:30  

Amazing. You guys, we have a promo code for you in the show notes and everything, so make sure that you check that out. I already have an appointment booked because I am really excited. And it's, again, not because of it's like, oh, I'm trying to be vain. I'm trying to be something that the world wants. No, it's so that when I look in the mirror, I feel awesome about myself, and I can show up more and more and do all the things. And so I'm just so grateful that our paths crossed. You have given us a lot of great tips. Ladies, get on the creatine. Okay, it's really amazing. There's tons of research. Oh yeah, muscles also, just like, apparently, tons of work on the Alzheimer space, which I'm very excited about. Thank God I've been doing creatine for years. But bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps our listeners can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? 

Rachel Varga 46:16  

Yeah, the skincare checklist, actually, over at theschoolofradiance.com when you sign up for my newsletter, I have a free 30 minute biohacking lesson too, and use promo code LesleyLogan15 for 15% off of your one-on-one here with m. Creatine, creatine, creatine, yes, high protein, one gram to 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight, huge when I started to lift heavy and do those two things, and keep up with the flexibility, mobility that just gave me more inner power, activation, if you will, great for the skin too, and caring for yourself, not just your skincare, not just your rejuvenation, but purifying your environment, air, water, lighting, electromagnetics, eating the right food, then detoxing is a key part, but it's what we do every single day.

Lesley Logan 47:07  

I love that you brought those things up, because I do a lot of people go on detox all the time, but they don't fix their don't check their water problem. When I lived in L.A., all the water stuff said the pipes were great. Everything is great. You guys, I had arsenic and cadmium in my system. So how, right? So we had to, like, we lived in a 500 square foot apartment and had, like, a $5,000 water system put in, and yes, I took it with me when we moved. But I think it's really important so that you all can support things. Right? These are things you can do at home, with your for yourself and in your environment to help you feel really good. So I am obsessed with these tips. I really am obsessed with you. I can't wait for more conversations together and how people are going to use these tips in your life. You guys, let us know. Tag Rachel Varga, tag the Be It Pod. Share this with the friend who needs to hear it. Sometimes we have friends who are actually overly picking on themselves, and maybe I actually think the words that we talked about here today can really support that and help them understand like, you know what is needed, what is necessary, what is helpful, and then also, if you're starting to feel a little bit out of it yourself, like I, I'm gonna tell you right now, it's really okay to care about how you want to put your hair or how you want to dress, because those things actually help us show up more in the world. And we're we are allowed to take up space. So Rachel, thank you so, so much. And until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 48:23  

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01 Fuck yeah.

 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

  

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Oh my god, Brad. 

Brad Crowell 0:49  

I cannot even believe this. 

Lesley Logan 0:50  

We're 600. 

Brad Crowell 0:52  

What?

Lesley Logan 0:52  

Okay, you guys, this is an FYF episode, and we were recording it. I had no idea what number that was, and so we missed it. And that's because we don't really care about being perfect, but we do care about celebrating.

Brad Crowell 1:02  

I love it. I'm really fired up about this. It is amazing that it's lasted as long as it has.

Lesley Logan 1:06  

Can you believe it? Like when we first started, I don't think we would have thought, oh, we're gonna, on our 600th episode, we'll rebrand. 

Brad Crowell 1:12  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 1:12  

But we are. 

Brad Crowell 1:13  

We are. 

Lesley Logan 1:14  

We have a whole new look. Have you even seen it?

Brad Crowell 1:17  

No, I literally haven't seen it. From recording this, I have not yet seen it. 

Lesley Logan 1:20  

Okay, well, go take a look. 

Brad Crowell 1:22  

I heard it's cool, though. 

Lesley Logan 1:22  

It's really cool. I really like it. I love to hear if you really like it. And I just want to say, thank you. 

Brad Crowell 1:27  

Yeah, thanks for listening. 

Lesley Logan 1:29  

I mean, the celebration is kind of as big as it's like a part of you, like you're actually part of the whole celebration, because we would not be here if it wasn't for you listening to the show. 

Brad Crowell 1:38  

You're amazing. 

Lesley Logan 1:39  

Thanks so much. And thanks to our amazing team. All right, here's your FYF episode. 

Lesley Logan 1:43  

Hi, Be It babe. Happy November 7th. Oh my gosh. I can't believe we're here. This is so fun. My in -aws are visiting, so like we're doing vacation and family visiting, and they've never seen our house in Vegas. So it's really, really exciting. But before we get into my wins, we have to talk about something that's inspiring, and we talk about your wins, and then we'll have a little affirmation, and we will go kick ass for the weekend, because being it till you see it is about honoring what you did do and celebrating that so it's easier for you to see things are moving forward, and not in a masculine action cup of a thing, but just like you are becoming more of the person that you want to be inside and out every single day, right? It's hard, it's hard to be it till you see it in a world like it is today. But 17 powerful sentences by Buddha that will change how you view the world. So I don't know if we'll read all 17, but I'm going to read several of them. The link is in the show notes if you want more. But, the mind is everything, what you think you become. I mean, that's so be it till you see it. The mind is everything, what you think you become. The root of suffering is attachment. And I think that's really interesting. When we are thinking about goals we want to achieve, I miss most of the goals that I have in my life, but so if I was attached to the goal, then I would have no win. But you've heard us talk about how we've like, celebrated acting as if we could win, like being the team, doing all the effort that could have had the win happen, had everything else worked out. So I agree with that one. If you deeply observe everything is your teacher. I love this one because as a Pilates instructor, it's really easy for people to talk, versus just be in observation. And they're like, oh my god, if I'm too quiet too long, then people think I'm not teaching. No. Make sure they know what you're looking at. But like, be in observation, because then their body teaches you what it needs. Three things cannot be long hidden, the sun, the moon and the truth. Oh, I want to believe that one so bad right now. If you light a lamp for somebody, it will also brighten your path. Fuck yes, I love that. Do not dwell on the past. Do not dream of the future. Concentrate the mind on the present movement. Well, that is Pilates, right there. I said I wasn't gonna read them all, but I'm just loving them all. There's no path to happiness. Happiness is the path. Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates. Is it true? Is it necessary? Is it kind? I mean that something we can all live by. Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else. You are the one who gets burned. Change is never painful, only the resistance to change is painful. Oh, I like that being it till you see it, it's not painful. The resistance will suck. What you think you become, what you feel you attract, what you imagine you create. Oh my gosh. Well, I'll leave the rest for you. But you guys these, I mean, I might have to bring the other ones back for another day. These are so great. I might just keep them for affirmations at the end of an episode on another day. I really love sharing things. Because I hope you know, when I find these things, I save them, I'm like, I'm thinking of you, like, I'm truly thinking of you. 

Lesley Logan 5:06  

Okay, so I got a bunch of wins that you all sent me on Instagram, so I'm gonna read some of them for you. How about it's time for your wins, and these are quickies, so let's do a few. All right, KelliePilates, I hit my goal of four to six miles walking five days in a row. Holy freaking moly, KelliePilates, four to six miles, that's a long time to walk. I do about four-ish every day, because I do two in the morning and two-ish at night. But like, it's obviously like I have a dog that makes it easier, but that's amazing. Five days in a row. What a goal. Pilateswithsarahk, completed my observation hours for my Pilates teacher training program and went to PT Pilates and a dog walk today. Do you see? Okay, okay, I love Sarah so much because she's like, today I was able to go to PT Pilates and a dog walk. Winning. Like y'all just completing the task on your schedule is a win. Okay? Okay. All right. And then this is my neighbor, tanamarieshow, I'm gonna share it because it made me laugh. So every Friday I ask you, like, what are your wins drop them below, right? And I was walking through the casino to go to the gym this morning, and so you could hear the music playing in the casino on the story. And so here it is. My win today. Is that love potion number nine was a soundtrack to your walk to the gym. She literally was singing it all day long in her head or out loud at her house. I love that so much. What a win that you could just, like, get a good song stuck in your head, and it just makes your day. So you can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions so you could ask questions, you can share wins, and then I will shout them out. And we all need to remember our wins like it's really fun for me to go back sometimes I'm telling you wins that happened in the past, because it just wasn't time to tell you, and it's like, oh yeah, I did that. I slayed that. So my win today, okay, so the win is my in-laws are visiting, okay? And I know, like, for some people that may be like, that's a win? It's a win, okay? So the last time they visited was the weekend we got married. They, you know, when I met them, I think they had mentioned that they were going to come visit, you know. And then when we got engaged, we knew the dates that they're visiting. We got engaged in May of 2015 and then we knew they were visiting October of 2015 so when Brad and I Brad, I was gonna marry him, and we were driving home from our camp, he's like, well, when you want to marry and I was like, you think your parents will come again, and they might not know this. And so if they're listening, I'm sorry, but like, this is the truth. And he's like, I don't know. And I was like, well then, I guess we're getting married in October. So they haven't been back to visit. Now, to their defense, there was a, there was a pandemic in there, and then they had an older dog, and they had to move whatever, blah, blah, but, they had kept saying they're gonna visit. We've lived in Vegas for over five years, and they kept saying they'll visit and I wanted them to visit. I want them to see the house we live. And I want to see them more. I like them. So I am saying it's a win, because I was a dog with a bone with like, when are you coming? And Brad was doing that and together and with a little passive well, Brad said it was not passive aggressive. It was extremely aggressive. I literally on a FaceTime was like, I just don't think you like me. And then they bought a plane ticket. And so what I'm going to say is the win is, if you want something to happen, do not stop. Just keep going. And if you're not getting what you want, don't be afraid to just be plain and simple and ask, am I not getting this because you don't like me or like, what is like, I promise you, you'll get the right answer, right? You're gonna get a great answer. And if the answer was, yeah, we don't like you, well then I just save myself trips at Christmas time. Like, no big deal, you know? I mean, like, I'm sure that would hurt my feelings, but like, the reality is, there's nothing is ever as bad as you think. So, my win is my in laws are visiting, and our team knew in enough advance that Brad could take almost the entire time off with his family to be here, and I only have a little bit of work to do, so I get to be with them, so we're like, on vacation in our own home, which is like the greatest thing in the world, right? 

Lesley Logan 9:03  

Okay, time for a little affirmation for you for the weekend. When I forgive myself, I free myself. When I forgive myself, I free myself. When I forgive myself, I free myself. Babe, what do you need to forgive yourself from? What's going on in your life that you're like just playing over and over and you're having a broken record like you should have done better. Just forgive yourself. You free yourself. Have an amazing day. 

Lesley Logan 9:29  

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Brad Crowell 10:11  

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• Why you only need 20% of your week focused on what energizes you to feel more balanced.
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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

She defined superpowers as your innate ability to create impact. I love that. Your innate ability to create impact. You guys, if you aren't hearing a theme about today, it is, are you using your inner compass? Are you taking time to understand yourself? Are you talking yourself up? 

Lesley Logan 0:16  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

 

Lesley Logan 0:55  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I

 are going to dig into the flourishing convo I have with Danielle Droitsch in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us. She's a fucking badass.

Brad Crowell 1:13  

She's pretty amazing. I really enjoyed that conversation. 

Lesley Logan 1:15  

I mean, I don't even know how, she's been listening to our pod for a while. Then she pitched herself. We talked to her. You came up and talked to her. I want to be friends with her. I wish she lived closer. She's doing great work. And also, like, I don't even know how she did what she did for a living, because, like, as we talked about in the podcast, you're an environmental attorney, which means you're constantly fighting for the environment, and the environment is constantly getting hotter. 

Brad Crowell 1:38  

I didn't know she was an environmental attorney. 

Lesley Logan 1:38  

I'm pretty sure. 

Brad Crowell 1:38  

No, she just described her work as an attorney, but it's possible you guys have that you talked to her beforehand. 

Lesley Logan 1:50  

Yeah, no, she was an environment policy world attorney, like she was a fucking badass in DC. And I remember talking to her offline, like, Oh my God. So every day you're trying to say, the Earth is hot. I'm fighting for the earth. And every day they're like, you know, like, it's just, I don't know, like, that would be a hard that'd be a long hard, but we need people like her in this world. 

Brad Crowell 2:13  

Well, she quit, so.

Lesley Logan 2:17  

She still fights for it. She still does her she still does her work. She didn't quit. Brad, what makes it sound like she gave up? She did not, you know it.

Brad Crowell 2:31  

No, she has moved on to bigger and better task. 

Lesley Logan 2:33  

She had to leave DC for other reasons, and it's pretty hard to fight for the environment on a world level outside of DC. So anyways, she's still badass. 

Brad Crowell 2:43  

Yeah. Actually, she said she's she's bringing a little bit of liberal vibes to Salt Lake City, so. 

Lesley Logan 2:49  

We love that. You know, it's really because we have a friend who's a federal defense attorney, and I, like, think about her going to work every day, right? And, like, the federal defense attorneys, like, what's the average win? It's like 2% or something like that. And she's like 4% and that's like, fucking badass, right? And you're just like, and she's like, fighting. 

Brad Crowell 3:11  

I think she had six. 

Lesley Logan 3:05  

I think she had six, you're right. Yeah, she got, like, defense attorney of the year. Hi, Amelia. Anyways, she like, I think about people like that, and Danielle and like these other people like, talk about having to figure out a different way of understanding how to celebrate your wins, because, like, it could take years to move, to get a date, for something to be heard. Years, and we're over here being it until we see it, going, oh, that thing didn't happen yesterday. I had to wait six months.

Brad Crowell 3:35  

Yeah, it's true. I mean, especially with environmental law. I mean, you could be working on something for, you know, five to 10 years before it actually comes together, so.

Lesley Logan 3:43  

Yeah, well, we'll get into her in a second. Hold on. Just so you're clear, I actually have no idea what day Brad chooses until we open up the script, unless I choose a day. And so I have no idea what I'm about to read. And I feel like it's gonna be weird, because today is November 6th 2025 and it's Marooned Without A Compass Day, which would, is the story of my life, I think I would be marooned without a compass for sure. If I had my phone, and it was working, we'd be okay, but truth be told, I don't have a charger ever on me, which means my compass would be leaving us quickly. This day is celebrated annually to put a spotlight on the direction of our lives or the lack of it. Oh, well, that's interesting. On this day, we ask ourselves the hard question, where is my life going? Am I happy? In a rather literal sense, maroon means being trapped alone in a place, yeah. But in a mindful sense, it describes the ecstatic gloom and thank you, Brad for highlighting. I see ecstatic gloom is a paradoxical or oxymoronic phrase that describes the feeling that being simultaneously overwhelmed with happiness and sadness is not a standard English idiom, but a descriptive pairing of two contradictory emotions, wonderful. I feel like ecstatic gloom is how I live every day in this administration. That comes with being lost in our life.

Brad Crowell 5:04  

So ecstatic gloom. So in a rather little literal sense, marooned means being trapped alone in a place, but in a mindful sense, that describes the ecstatic gloom that comes from being lost in our own life. Lives, right? So. 

Lesley Logan 5:07  

Well, this is people who are not being it until we see it, Brad. 

Brad Crowell 5:11  

That's what I'm saying. 

Lesley Logan 5:13  

Our listeners do not mean marooned without a compass. 

Brad Crowell 5:21  

That's why today is exactly the right day to celebrate. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Today is all about climbing up from the rock bottom of our lives and becoming our own compass. But that's what we do here every single day at the Be It Pod. So, you know, I thought this was a great day, because what this actually really made me think about was the reset button that Covid was, you know.

Lesley Logan 5:47  

Yeah if people took advantage of it, which I feel like.

Brad Crowell 5:49  

I mean, whether or not you took advantage of it, it became a very real it was a mirror to our own lives. Each and every one of us had this, this really, I'm sure we all had the internal conversation, this ecstatic gloom of like, oh, this is what my life is. Is this what I want my life to be? (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 5:49  

And oh, my God, I get to lay on the couch. That's the ecstatic part. You have to have ecstatic part of the gloom.

Brad Crowell 6:13  

Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't know how many people like I think the I think there was this weird perception that we can learn another language, but that never happened for us. 

Lesley Logan 6:21  

People did make sourdough, Brad, not us, we weren't those people. 

Brad Crowell 6:25  

We were not those people, but people did make sourdough. 

Lesley Logan 6:28  

Our dog got walked fucking 12 fucking miles a day. That's right.

Brad Crowell 6:33  

But, but I, you know, I think that, you know, we're already five years past Covid, and I think this is a good time to check in and be like, Hey, I had this realization back then. You know, I made changes in my life, the changes that I made. Am I happy with them still? So, yeah. So today is Marooned Without A Compass Day. 

Lesley Logan 6:55  

Yeah, but you don't have to go on an island and get a volleyball and name it Wilson. You can just use Hey, I just studied the Hermit card today. That was my hermit and my Tarot reading, because my new hobby, okay, and it's about taking time to be alone and do some self-reflection and some inner like looking in your inner wisdom. 

Brad Crowell 7:13  

How poignant. 

Lesley Logan 7:14  

How poignant. But not well, because this is on November 6th, and I'm doing it today, but it is poignant that we're recording this today, and one of the things you have to ask yourself is, like, what, what does like self-reflection look like to you? How do you understand what your inner guidance is? And like, I really do think that a lot of us are very busy, and even some of us are really good at time by ourselves and even time with our self-care. But how often are we actually using our inner wisdom versus our outer wisdom? And this is something I work with, like, eLevate members when they're like, Okay, so what next? And I'm like, You got to go inside and, like, juice out what you learned already. 

Brad Crowell 7:52  

Gotta go inside. 

Lesley Logan 7:53  

Anyways. Well, that's cool. Like it. I like a good compass. I don't know how to use one, but I think about it all the time. 

Brad Crowell 8:01  

It's okay. 

Lesley Logan 8:03  

Don't download the free compass on your phone, because there is already a compass on your phone. 

Brad Crowell 8:08  

Yeah, there's already a compass. You don't need to get another app. 

Lesley Logan 8:12  

You actually, that's and that is also poignant, you already have a compass. It's already inside you. You guys.

Brad Crowell 8:17  

We're gonna blast through these, because there's a whole list now. So we're gonna move real fast, are you ready? 

Lesley Logan 8:22  

I am ready. 

Brad Crowell 8:23  

Here's what's happening in November. OPC is gonna have a Black Friday sale. Black Friday Cyber Monday sale is only gonna happen during the actual holiday weekend. We're not doing it before or after. 

Lesley Logan 8:32  

No, we're not those weirdos who start on November 1st. 

Brad Crowell 8:34  

Okay, so that's November. December, we're gonna be on the road doing our Winter Tour. Which tickets are already on sale. In fact, hopefully the tickets are sold out at this point. However

Lesley Logan 8:43  

Let me tell you, we are recording this before they go on sale, and people have already bought tickets. I'm not sure how, but they did. So that's how quick the tickets go. 

Brad Crowell 8:50  

If you are trying to find out more about that, go to opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour. 

Lesley Logan 8:57  

Just, can we go back to November? I just want to be very specific, because I don't think it was very specific. We are only doing a Black Friday, Cyber Monday for OPC. So if you are, we're excited for a Profitable Pilates discount. We are not doing that. We will have more information. In fact, if you were on our email list, you would already know this and have more information. But we are.

Brad Crowell 9:15  

Cool. So the next thing on our list is, in December, we're going to have a Profitable Pilates sale. And that's a secret that we're giving to you here on the pod. Y'all listeners, if you ever wanted to try Agency out for, you know, a short time. 

Lesley Logan 9:29  

Like a little mini. 

Brad Crowell 9:33  

Like, a little month. 

Lesley Logan 9:36  

Not a month, but a little mini. 

Brad Crowell 9:38  

No, I think it's gonna be a month of Agency. 

Lesley Logan 9:35  

Oh, we're doing something fun. 

Brad Crowell 9:36  

Yeah, we're doing something new and fun. We're trying out Agency, so. 

Lesley Logan 9:39  

I know, you guys, I do know about this, and I forgot. 

Brad Crowell 9:42  

While we're not doing a Black Friday, Cyber Monday for Profitable Pilates, we're going to give you all the opportunity to hop in for a brief time, to get to know us, to see, kick the tires as it were. But stay tuned for the end of December, after Christmas, before the new year. Okay. 

Lesley Logan 9:57  

Oh, guys, there's so much more ready. Can I take over? January, my birthday month, you're welcome to send gifts. Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. Go to xxLL.co/pilatesjournal, I am teaching some great workshops, a world premiere of a workshop, by the way, why your clients don't get it? I'm super excited about that and some other good stuff. And then also, in January, you want to make sure you're already on the waitlist. So don't get on the waitlist in January, go on the waitlist now for Cambodia, because in January is the early bird discount, and only those on the waitlist get that invite. In February, the month of love.

Brad Crowell 10:29  

Wait. Go to crowsnestretreats.com to get yourself on the waitlist.

Lesley Logan 10:33  

Thank God for Brad. Okay, February, Agency Mini is happening in February, so you want to get on the waitlist for that. Do you hear how we have waitlist? Why do you have waitlists? Because you get all the good stuff, including somehow people buying tickets early for the tour. So prfit.biz/mini. That's profit without the O dot biz slash mini. It's three days of epicness for your business. I promise you it will light a fire on your ass. You will not feel marooned without a compass. That is for fucking sure. 

Brad Crowell 10:59  

That's for sure. 

Lesley Logan 11:00  

And then in March, we are in Poland at the Contrology Pilates conference with Karen Frischmann on all the Contrology equipment. It's gonna be so fun. That's xxLL.co/poland also in March, we're in Brussels at Els Studio. It's really amazing with Karen Frischmann and, Brad, did I tell you, Ignacio is gonna be there. 

Brad Crowell 11:00  

Oh, I thought it was Miguel. 

Lesley Logan 11:02  

No, that's for something else I'm doing. No, Ignacio. 

Brad Crowell 11:15  

That's so great. 

Lesley Logan 11:15  

I know I'm so excited. I found out when.

Brad Crowell 11:15  

I saw some photos, but I. 

Lesley Logan 11:15  

Yeah, I know I'm so excited. It's a Vintage and Friends Program at Els Studio in Brussels. We are teaching different workshops in Poland and Brussels, so you can actually go to both, or you can pick which weekend you want, but it's Karen and I, and Ignacio is only in Poland, and Brad's coming along. xxLL.co/brussels, and then in April, P.O.T. London. Okay, we're, that's a lot, guys,

Brad Crowell 11:59  

That's a whole lot. 

Lesley Logan 12:02  

We're not doing anything else the rest of the year, all right, before. 

Brad Crowell 12:11  

That's not true at all. 

Lesley Logan 12:02  

That's not true at all. But we're, well, we're not doing a lot of international stuff besides the retreat. Anyways, let's get into the question. We have to talk about Danielle still. What's the question? 

Brad Crowell 12:12  

Let's do it. All right. So this is regarding Swan Dive on the Wunda Chair @DeniseBraunStargazer on YouTube asks, What spring tension would you recommend for this movement tips for swan dive on the Wunda Chair on an Exo chair. So an EXO Chair

Lesley Logan 12:27  

So, an EXO chair is still a Wunda chair. Here, it's, I appreciate that it has its own name, because it is different than a traditional Wunda Chair. But the thing that makes it different is the angle of the pedal, the weight of the chair. I'm sure Ken will tell me a bunch of other things that are different. And also, but to the eye and to the use, and also, the cactus thing on the back has four springs. But they have other things that have four four hooks, I should say, two springs, four hooks. So if you're using my flash cards, you'll see that there's a how to use this deck card, and that card actually will tell you that on a chair that has four hooks, so that'd be an Exo chair or anything else that has four hooks. I ignore the fourth hook on an Exo chair unless you absolutely need it. And the person who edits our flash cards actually only has an Exo chair, so she edited these cards with the Exo chair in mind, so without seeing you do The Swan, my guess is you should start with one spring on a two. So the cactus on an Exo chair has numbers one spring on the two. Now that being said, you could be fun sized and you need a one. You could be in a more of a body abundance or chest abundance bodies. You have a little bit more weight going on the pedal. So then you might need a three. You might be super advanced and only need a one. You might be a beginner and need a three. So the thing about the Wunda Chair that people don't understand this goes with EXO Chair as well, is that the springs are like pirate rules guidelines get to choose them, do you remember what was the line in the Pirate movie? Their pirate rules are just like thoughts, things to do. You know the line of the movie. 

Brad Crowell 14:07  

What are you talking about? 

Lesley Logan 14:08  

Johnny Depp's movie of the Pirates. They're like guidelines. Everyone is knows what I'm talking about. if they watched this movie, I'm gonna look it up later. Anyways, on the Chair. So another example on a Wunda Chair is on the flash cards. I say that a pull up is often done on a one, one spring on a one and one spring on a three. That would be (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 14:30  

Okay it's about the pirate rules, they'e more like guidelines. 

Lesley Logan 14:31  

Correct. That's how the Wunda Chair.

Brad Crowell 14:31  

Parlay, I think it's parlay. 

Lesley Logan 14:33  

Parlay, parlay. So that's exactly how a Wunda Chair works in an Exo chair. So if we ignore the fourth hook on the Exo chair, then you have a one, two and a three, or what we'll often say in classical Pilates, a top and a bottom. One is a bottom and a three is a top, and then a middle spring is a two. So if the traditional parlay on a pull up is a top and a bottom, so a Wunda, three on an Exo chair, that would be the guideline. However, right now I'm doing pull up on a one top. That's pretty impressive, Brad, you should be impressed. It's impressive.

Brad Crowell 15:08  

I'm so impressed right now, it's one on top. 

Lesley Logan 15:11  

And then the other thing to go off of, guys is, is the spring working with you, meaning the spring should never be pushing you around, nor you bossing it around. It's your dance partner. So today it might be a two. Tomorrow might be a three. I know, this is annoying because you just want to know, but that means you're trying to be a perfectionist and not someone who is using their inner compass. That's all I have to say about that. All right, if you have questions, send them to beitpod.com/questions or you can text us at 310-905-5534, if it's international, you gotta do a plus one. All right, Brad, let's talk about Danielle. 

Brad Crowell 15:44  

Or just use the website. Go to beitpod.com/questions. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into all this amazing stuff we learned from Danielle Droitsch. 

Brad Crowell 15:55  

All right, let's talk about Danielle Droitsch. Danielle spent decades as a lawyer in the environmental policy world. Oh, that's where we learned it, leading teams and. 

Lesley Logan 16:05  

Leaving it. Leaving it. 

Brad Crowell 16:07  

Leading teams and directing big projects. But after 25 years, she hit a wall and realized the traditional path of titles and skills was not bringing her fulfillment. That turning point led her into coaching, where she now helps mid to senior leaders uncover their superpowers, the natural strengths that create meaning, energy and impact. Instead of piling on more certifications or chasing someone else's version of success, she shows people how to tap into what already is inside of them. 

Lesley Logan 16:35  

Sounds like a lot of our listeners need to hear that because I remember Erika Quest and I did a whole wealthy mindset weekend about like imposter syndrome. And one of the things, sign of you imposter syndrome is that you continually acquire more certifications. And look, I think Danielle would agree with me, learning is cool. You got to keep learning. But if you keep thinking that the next certification is going to make you happy, that is the wrong motivation. So she defined superpowers as your innate ability to create impact. I love that. Your innate ability to create impact. You guys, if you aren't hearing a theme about today, it is, are you using your inner compass? Are you taking time to understand yourself? Are you talking yourself up? She states that these are often hidden to you, and unless you've gone through the exercise of actually figuring out your superpowers, you do not likely know them. This is so true. I think when we coach people, the often thing is like, oh, my god, that's amazing, right? We talk about you're the only person who can do what you do the way you do it. And people like, it's come so easy to me, it's like, yeah, it comes not easy to everyone else, like, no one else gets it. And we do need a mirror. We need some way. We need a Danielle to tell us, like, oh, this is the thing that you do really well. Also it's often the thing that people keep asking you questions about, which is why I should go into being a skincare influencer.

Brad Crowell 18:00  

The thing that I thought was really neat about her talking about your innate abilities is she said people will often describe their quote, unquote superpowers to her, and she would disagree with them, right? So they're, they're like, you know, I'm really good at I don't know whatever organizing or they think it always revolves around work. I think that's ultimately what her point was, that they always apply it around work. And she's saying that's not necessarily the case. For example, for her, she said, of course, I was a competent attorney, but what I was really doing around the office was making sure that everybody was feeling part of the team, feeling included, and being, you know, like, encouraging and uplifting. And she said, Actually, I never pegged that as my superpower until way after I was always just, like, actually, she said she literally thought it was her weakness. I'm being too kind. I'm so kind. I need to be less kind. I need to be more more, ruthless, you know. And she said that's because I was applying my kindness to my execution of my job. But I was, I was imagining that that's a weakness, when really it was my strength, you know. And so it was really, it was really interesting. And she said they're often hidden to you and but she's she did talk a lot about energy and what, what makes you, what feeds you, what lights you up.

Lesley Logan 19:26  

She said a way to figure it out is you need to follow the energy, because when engaging activities align with what your superpowers, the time flies by. So episode 400 Your Genius Zone. Alternatively, tasks that are draining to you indicate a lack of alignment. If we go back to Kareen Walsh and her, like, Drain Joy list, right? Like so and I think what happens is we're all like, Oh my God, I need to get better at this. Like, I would like, often if you have like, I need to be more detailed, and I need to work on being more detailed. But being more detailed was, like, nailed on a chalkboard because I'm like, well, how much more detailed do I need to be? Like, this seems quite obvious to me. No, I'm just not a detailed person, period. Guess why? Everyone on the team has detailed in their fucking strengths? Because I don't. I don't have it. That was my elbow. If you heard that on the podcast. Anyways, it's fine, don't worry. Didn't hit a funny bone. But I just really like what she said about that. I think it's a great way to think about things. And I also love that she shared what she thought, that she thought her strength was a weakness, like I think, I think that's very relatable. What did you love?

Brad Crowell 20:31  

Just for those of you who are wondering, Kareen's episode was number 27 and she had a follow up episode, which was episode 397, so. 

Lesley Logan 20:42  

Whoa, already that many episodes behind? (inaudible) I feel like that just happened. Okay. Well, here we are. You know what? I'm clearly in my my fucking like. 

Brad Crowell 20:56  

You're detailing it away here, babe. 

Lesley Logan 20:58  

No, I'm not detailing anymore, because we added those FYFs, so I don't know what the numbers are anyway, but I just want to say I'm clearly following my energy, because time is flying by. 

Brad Crowell 21:07  

Flying by. What I really loved is when she was talking about, we have this. I mean, all right, y'all have heard me talk about strengths finders and CliftonStrengths and all that stuff like, for years. 

Lesley Logan 21:20  

For years. 

Brad Crowell 21:21  

For years. But she said we have this societally reinforced tendency to focus on our weaknesses. 

Lesley Logan 21:29  

Oh, my whole, my ex's biggest thing, and we talked about this on the podcast that we used to do about dating, my ex's biggest thing is, like, you're not this, you're not this, you're not this. And I'm like, okay, I got to be one of those things. And no, no one liked me for those things. So here we are.

Brad Crowell 21:46  

Yeah, also, that's so annoying. I mean, you know, like, I think about it. And she was laughing because she said, we have kids. And the kids, you know, if they came home from school with a D, I would be like, you need to be doing better, right? Even if they even if they were like, well, that's not my strength, she still would say, no, you need to do better. Because I think that there's a time and a place for in in the typical world of learning. The way that we educate people here in the United States, you know, it's based on test results. And now that may be changing over time, but our generation that was all that mattered was the grade at the end of it. So if you didn't get a grade, then you did not pass, right? And so this pass-fail concept, you know, it drives us to thinking that that applies in life, right? It applies at our job, it applies in our personal lives. And that's not actually the way that it functions in the rest of the world, education is different than the rest of the world, right? And so what we do, though, is, because that's how we were taught, we take that and we apply it. And so we think that we need to be better. We just need to be better at all the things, even if that's not the thing we should be focusing on. 

Lesley Logan 22:54  

All the things. All the time. 

Brad Crowell 22:54  

Right? And so what do we do? We get in our job, and we're like, wow, I'm really not good at numbers. I guess I need to be better at numbers. So I'll go take a course at numbers, and then you end up hating it, and you're like, oh, I hate everything I'm doing now because I just have to do numbers, you know? And instead, if we were focusing or leaning into our strengths, and this is what Danielle was saying, you know, it will, it'll change our attitude around our it'll change our our vigor, our excitement, our our mindset completely around the thing that we're doing, and probably give us a whole lot more joy. She advised paying attention to what energizes you, right? And you know, there are cases where you have to, you know, do something that you don't want to do, but eventually you want to outsource those kinds of things, you know? And we've talke about. 

Lesley Logan 23:40  

Also, we've done this on the retreat, if you want to know why you should come on the retreat, sometimes people are doing things that they think they have to do. 

Brad Crowell 23:49  

That's, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. 

Lesley Logan 23:52  

And like you and and outsourcing, like people like outsourcing can be expensive. Sometimes you can just delete it. You don't even have to do it. We live in a world with some amazing technology, robots, subscriptions, like you. If you hate the grocery store, you can put things on auto ship. You just can.

Brad Crowell 24:10  

Yeah, that's, that's exactly, that's exactly right. Like, what if you hate grocery shopping? Great. Put it on repeat. You don't have to actually go do any of that. You know, the way that we live today, it's amazing. But anyway, you know, she said, what energizes you often correlates with the things that you're really good at, and you know it gives you joy. And you know that will change your excitement about life. You know, around the horn, so.

Lesley Logan 24:38  

So in Pilates, Jay always told us, like, whatever you don't like, you have to do twice, because like your body, your body needs it. This is very different than like, how you do work and and your strengths, right? So when it comes to like, balancing your balances. And today, this is, I don't know if that has anything to do with this episode, but I want to share this with you. Okay, so today we had to do. frog in in class, frog, which is your fucking favorite, and I hate everything everything about it. I hate everything about it. And I don't think we were in frog one minute, but it felt like 17 years. But when we were in pigeon, which probably is only one minute, if I just was like, I think we're in pigeon, for like, three minutes, it went by so it just flew by, because I love pigeon so much, and I just like, I'm like, pigeon feels so good in my body, but frog doesn't feel good at all. And if I could avoid, if I was in charge, we would never frog.

Brad Crowell 25:37  

We would never frog. If Lesley was in charge we would never frog. 

Lesley Logan 25:41  

But I did tell Anthony, I said, I said, you know how we don't like what we need? And he said, yeah, I'm like, I really hate that. Anyways, you got to (inaudible) energizes you, because what doesn't energize me is frog and yoga. 

Brad Crowell 26:00  

Well, maybe in your body, it's kind of like educating. You need to be balancing things out, or your body will break. 

Lesley Logan 26:05  

Yeah, I don't think you should. Here's the thing, because there's a woman named Joanna who I'm trying to get on the pod guys, I really am. She's got the Unlearn IG and we're close. We got close. We got we're getting closer. Stay tuned on that. But she said in her TED talk, she said, like, kids should fail at things because they need to learn how to fail, right? Like, on a low level thing, however, like, there's a difference between not trying and like not understanding and like not being a skill. And I do agree, like, we don't want kids to not know how to balance their budget, so like, you got to learn how to add and subtract. But like, also, I think what happens is we put up, like you said already, we put this pressure you that has to be your focus, as opposed to like, just get like, decent at it, and that way you can enjoy the English class that you love, or the Shakespeare class that you love, or whatever it is. Yeah, I'm in. It makes sense in my brain, Brad.

Brad Crowell 27:05  

Great, I love it. Okay, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those Be It Actions that we got from Danielle Droitsch. 

Brad Crowell 27:05  

All right, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Danielle Droitsch? I'm gonna jump in right away. She emphasized that you don't need your entire day to be quote, unquote fulfilling. 

Lesley Logan 27:27  

I agree. 

Brad Crowell 27:28  

This is interesting, right? You don't need your entire day to be fulfilling. Even a relatively small portion dedicated to your strengths can significantly increase your job satisfaction. What was really interesting is she is backing this up with statistics. It wasn't just like this, this like thing that she's winging it here. She said, hey, observe for the last for at least one week, observe what activities give you energy. Aim to dedicate at least 20% of your day or your week to these energizing superpowers. Act these superpower activities to significantly boost fulfillment. So. 

Lesley Logan 28:03  

2% of your day is 30 minutes. What's 20% of your day? How many hours? How many?

Brad Crowell 28:08  

Well, we're hold on 20 so 20% of eight hours would be one and a half hours. So if you were like in the zone as it were, for an hour and a half.

Lesley Logan 28:20  

You're in your superpower for an hour and a half a day. 

Brad Crowell 28:23  

A day. 

Lesley Logan 28:23  

But you don't have to do it all at once. You could do it, but. 

Brad Crowell 28:26  

No, but probably, if you're like, if time has disappeared, you've cranked through an hour and a half.

Lesley Logan 28:31  

And some of your strength. Yeah, yeah. It's probably true. But also, just for my perfectionist listening, it's okay. It's gonna probably be okay if it's 30 minutes in the morning, 30 minutes in the afternoon, 30.

Brad Crowell 28:40  

It might be, it might be teaching time for you, because that's when things like, you know, go and that's okay, and that's good, yeah, you know, like when I was working for somebody else. And even now, what I often like to do is I sit down for, you know, a work block in my head. I'm like, okay, this will be my morning work block before I get up and go to lunch or whatever. And I usually try to give myself, like a three hour, like two to three hour like hard work block. And my hope is that in that time I do hit the zone, I'm in that zone, you know. And if I can do two a day of these work blocks, I have had an effective day. Now, what often happens for me is I'll do probably one in the late morning, and then I'll do another one at like, nine o'clock at night,you know or.

Brad Crowell 28:40  

You feel like you're in your strength to Danielle's point, not just like those. You feel like you're.

Brad Crowell 28:57  

Well, usually when you're in the zone, as it were. 

Lesley Logan 28:57  

Time is just flying by. 

Brad Crowell 28:57  

Yeah, you're doing you're using your strength, because time is going and you're not realizing it, and you know it's okay. You're, you know, you're, you're effectively using your superpower.

Brad Crowell 28:57  

When I'm doing Pilates, time flies by. Oh, my God, it flies by. I looked at the clock. It was like 44 minutes. I was like, whoa, where did the hour ago? 

Brad Crowell 29:49  

You're just gonna do Pilates all day, every day?

Lesley Logan 29:50  

Apparently, only do an hour and a half, then I'd like, I'm gonna significantly save my life. I'm just saying. Anyway, mine.

Brad Crowell 29:58  

I don't think that's what I was saying, but we'll go with it.

Lesley Logan 30:00  

That's my takeaway, because she said, just follow your energy. That's where your superpower is lived. 

Brad Crowell 30:01  

We're not talking about work. We're not talking about play, but. 

Lesley Logan 30:09  

My job is Pilates. 

Brad Crowell 30:11  

Yeah, but the point is teaching. That's not talking about doing.

Lesley Logan 30:16  

I understand, I understand. I understand. 

Brad Crowell 30:18  

Okay, just making sure that we're clear. 

Lesley Logan 30:20  

We're clear. I am going to spend more time with myself. She explained that confidence also doesn't come from faking it. Duh. That's why we call it the Be It Till You See It podcast. That's why she's on. That's why she's on. But in activating what is true about you, and it's not built through the mindset, rather, is built through action and failure and success and getting right back up. So you're gonna you're gonna fail, you're gonna reflect, you're gonna correct, and you're gonna continue. That's right to do, and you're gonna get better at it. You don't have to do it perfectly the first time. 

Brad Crowell 30:52  

Yeah, you do not. 

Lesley Logan 30:53  

So follow your energy. And if you're like, oh, that was the wrong energy, great. You now, now tomorrow, you won't follow that one. You have your new inner compass that's gonna tell you the right direction. I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 31:03  

Well before we sign off, I actually just got off a coaching call with a client, and we were talking about rolling out a program, and she said, I just don't think I have she said, what lights me up is educating educators. So she likes to teach teachers. We're talking about Pilates here. And she said, I have my own clients, and I do really enjoy teaching them, but what really lights me up is teaching teachers. She said, the problem I have is that I I can't stop teaching to take on more educating teachers. And she said she's feeling really stuck. And what she said in her like offhand, she was like, and to do like, you know, I got to roll it out, and it's got to be perfect, and I got to do this thing, and I got to do that. And I was like, hold up. Hold up. You know and we had a conversation about this idea of introducing a new product or introducing a new service, and it having to be perfect. I said it has taken us, for our retreats, for example, the very first retreat, I worked on it for a year, I put my my heart and soul into organizing this thing, right. And I was like, we got this and we went and we executed it. And afterwards, we were like, we already have things we want to change. In fact, we did not really totally lock in the flow of events, the schedule of this retreat for like, 10 retreats. It was maybe after the eighth or 10th retreat where we were, like, we're done swapping days around. We've decided these are the days of things running. These are when lunches should be. These are the activity blocks. This is the free time blocks, like we. 

Lesley Logan 32:42  

They were, by the way, they're all amazing. We just, we. 

Brad Crowell 32:44  

That's not, not, not what I'm saying. Each experience was different, but afterwards, we were like, we want to make another change. We want to make another change. We we were all really tired after this one experience because we pushed it too hard. Okay, how do we tweak it? 

Lesley Logan 32:58  

I also got rid of February because we realized we just love October.

Brad Crowell 33:00  

Whatever the point is, we, it wasn't until us, having done the experience, like, almost 10 times, that we were like, oh my God, it's amazing. We have it dialed in, right? So the point is, no perfectionism. Perfection is not real. It's never going to be real. It will never be perfect. We will always have something that we want to adjust after the fact.

Lesley Logan 33:22  

Yes, always. That's why, in the show, we say, take messy action. Make messy action. Wow, guys, it is late for us on this recording date. So I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 33:32  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 33:33  

We love you. Use your inner compass. Go follow the energy. Tell Danielle how you did it. Reach out to her. She's got some great stuff going on and share this with a friend who needs to hear it, the friend who's like focusing on all the shit that drives them crazy and drains them. Oh my God, that's annoying to be around. 

Brad Crowell 33:49  

Send them this episode. 

Lesley Logan 33:51  

Yes, they'll find out now why you did it. Anyways, until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 33:51  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 33:57  

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Brad Crowell 34:41  

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Executive leadership coach and former environmental lawyer Danielle Droitsch spent decades chasing titles before realizing fulfillment comes from what energizes you most—helping others reach their potential. In this episode, she and Lesley explore how identifying your superpowers can reignite passion in your current role without a career overhaul. Discover why tracking energy leads to clarity, how to “job craft” for more joy and impact, and why action—not overthinking—is the real confidence builder.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Danielle’s career pivot revealed her true superpowers.
• How to spot your superpowers by tracking what energizes you.
• Why most people mistake learned skills for natural strengths.
• How the 20% rule can transform job satisfaction and focus.
• What happens when you overuse your strengths and feel drained.
• Why “job crafting” lets you reshape your role without quitting your job.

Episode References/Links:

• Time For Well-Being Website - https://www.time4wellbeing.com
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Episode Transcript:

Danielle Droitsch 0:00  

Whatever you can do to minimize the stuff that's draining you, but you're basically paying attention to what energizes you. And chances are that the things that energize you are actually the things you're really good at, and that's where your actual career growth happens. So there's a correlation between things that bring you energy, so you feel more fulfilled at work, and it happens to be the places where you are that's your superpowers. 

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:07  

All right, Be It babe. This is great, this interview, this episode, this whole thing has me lit up. And also, like afterwards, our guest today and I were just chatting, and I, she is just such a bright light and such as her superpower comes through this whole episode, and I can say that having talked to her before this episode, after this episode, and so we're actually talking about that. And I think it's really interesting, some of you might be like, oh, I don't have any superpowers, we talked about that too. We also talked about how you can start to find it, and how the ease of leaning into that can actually change your life, and it changed Danielle's life. So Danielle Droitsch is our guest today. She's an executive coach. She all she used to be an environmental lawyer, and so I'm just like putting that out there, because I think it's so interesting how we can so easily put ourselves in a box or in a track and think that we can't change it's too late for us. We just got to push through. No. The answer is no. There's support out there for you. There's help out there, and there's free resources for you. So here is Danielle Droitsch. 

Lesley Logan 2:09  

All right, Be It babe. This is really fun. I recently got to meet our guest today, and I was so excited talking to her, and then Brad got involved, and we just started chatting about life. And you know, it's going to be a great guest, if like, you can be fast friends. So, Danielle Droitsch, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Danielle Droitsch 2:24  

Hello. I'm so excited to chat with you today. So my name is Danielle Droitsch. I am Zooming in from Salt Lake City, Utah, but from the Washington, DC area. And I am an executive and leadership coach, and I'm all about superpowers. So I'm excited to dive in with you about that today.

Lesley Logan 2:43  

Oh my gosh, I love it. And like, what a big transition, like DC to Salt Lake. No offense to Salt Lake. It's so beautiful. But like lots of people to spread out, not so many people.

Danielle Droitsch 2:55  

It was quite it was quite a transition. I'm here to support my aging parents, but yeah, so like, parts of DC I'm happy to leave behind, and very love the outdoors here. And you know, we are part of a small enclave of progressive people that are, you know, trying to do good in the world. 

Lesley Logan 3:15  

I love it. I love it so much. Okay, so you said you're an executive coach and you are a big fan of superpowers. Is this what you went to school for? Like, is this something we can get a degree in? How do we get here?

Danielle Droitsch 3:28  

No, I totally, like, it was just such a, so I'm basically trained as a lawyer. So I went and had many years of doing what I thought I should do, what success I thought looked like did what my parents thought I should do. And I mean, I still love that I did part of that journey. But what happened was, I was 25 years into my career, working at a major organization, I was a manager, and I just had a wall, and that's when I had this big transformation of, well, if this is it, if this is my career, then, hmm, I don't know. This doesn't quite feel like it. That's not what it was I had aspired to. I was really looking to feel fulfilled. And so I went on this long journey, we could talk about it, but a journey where I eventually figured out that I was not putting my superpowers to work at all, and it wasn't until I figured them out that I figured out that my pathway, that's not true for everyone, but my pathway was not to be a manager and a lawyer and all of that. It was a completely different pathway, but I never would have known it until I figured out my secret sauce.

Lesley Logan 4:44  

Oh my gosh. I think, like so many of us, can resonate, you know, there's a certain there's a certain group of, especially women, who are, like, definitely told, like, do all these things, check all these boxes, and then you will feel fulfilled. And then we check all the boxes, and we're like, exhausted, check. Fulfilled, what does that mean?

Danielle Droitsch 5:05  

What does that even mean? Exactly. It's like, it sounds like a great word, but that's the thing you could and then you spend time searching and searching and searching, and we kind of look in all the wrong places. We look on LinkedIn, like, what did that person do? What did my neighbor do? Maybe I need to travel more, maybe I need more money, maybe I need whatever, you know, and we just, we kind of keep trying all these different things on I did, I mean, I was all over the map for years, like I was like, okay, maybe I won't work on this issue. I'll work on that issue. Or maybe I should do this, you know, role at my organization. Or, you know, there were certain things I tried that really, really worked. Meditation was something I tried, and it's been in my life ever since, exercise, same. But there's other things I tried that were like, absolutely no go's. And I remember talking to you and Brad about this, but a lot of what I was trying was like, around mission, like, purpose. And I was like, oh, I should volunteer here, and I should do that. And I actually figured out that spending time on passion wasn't the answer. I'm not at all about, let's not do passionate things. But it, you know, fast forward, it took me, like, three years to figure it out. I felt like, oh my God, like, how many, how much time is this gonna take? And I finally figured out that the answer was had to do with what I was naturally good at. And that's what I mean when I say superpower.

Lesley Logan 6:30  

Okay, thank you for defining that. Because I actually think that, like, think we even talked about this, but like, I sometimes think that, like, figuring out your purpose or your passion is like, such a heavy lift. It's like, because it kind of feels like there's no going back, like, once I figured this out, that's it, you know, and then you're like, but I haven't even tried trampoline yet. I don't know. It almost, I think some people have a hard time because it could feel limiting, like, once you figured out, also, there's so much pressure, and then, and then what? And then it has to make me money, which I disagree with. I don't think it really does, but I really I want to just go back to like, what you're naturally good at. This, this is something that I think is really hard for people to recognize, because we think it comes so easy to us. So why would it even be worthy? Why would it even be worthwhile? Why would it be valuable?

Danielle Droitsch 7:19  

Yes, oh my gosh, you just sort of nailed it. And this is, this is when I work with my clients. It's like the, one of the first things I work with my clients on, regardless of what problem or issue or challenge they have, is we start with, where are your superpowers? And that's because they don't know.

Lesley Logan 7:40  

Yes (inaudible) I already have 10 listeners going, I don't have any superpowers. I was gifted. None of those. My sister has them all.

Danielle Droitsch 7:50  

My sister would say that she would be like, I have no superpowers. And I've been spent I've spent all these years saying, yes, you do, but it is so natural. They are so natural, they're so innate, they are hidden to you. So if there's one thing that people are listening to right now, I can promise you that you actually unless you've gone through the exercise of actually figuring out your superpowers, you do not likely know them. And I'm telling this to the people who are like, oh, I know my strengths, and they'll say things like, I'm strategic (inaudible) and I'm a great communicator, and I'm like, that's, I mean, that's, that's like a that's like a tiny, tiny, tiny, little bit of a strength. It's really about your innate ability to create impact, and it doesn't have to do with a skill that's different. A skill is learned, like trampoline. You know, you can learn, you can learn word processing, and you can learn, you know, how to put out a podcast, and you can learn lots of like project management. I'm sure people on this call could say, oh, yeah, I can do all those things. That's not your secret sauce. Your secret sauce is in how you create impact in the world, and I didn't know it, and it was only in my 40s that I was actually able to figure out, oh my gosh, like I have been all wrong. I've been focused all this time on my skills and my knowledge, and thought that's how we're success, not saying you don't need skills and knowledge. I mean, for sure, but my fulfillment, my growth, my career directory, my clarity about who I am as a person, everything kind of comes back to that, and it takes a little bit of work, but you can figure it out. And I promise you, that's where you start to feel the energy that helps you feel aligned.

Lesley Logan 9:37  

Okay, I'm really in because, like so at this household, we're big fans of like string finders. We make all of our anybody we're gonna hire, we want to know what they're like, naturally inclined to do because I'm not going to put someone who is not detail oriented on on my on my assistant team. I am not detail oriented. Everyone who works with me needs to figure it out. But I also agree that, like some of those things that were strong at work are not necessarily things that we were innately born with. We kind of, like, learned them, skilled them over time, and, like, kind of really lean into those things. I also think that a lot of people busy themselves with all the things they're not good at, so they get the feedback at work that they're not a great communicator, and they take all these communicating classes, and they're like, working on these week that that's gonna make you feel so far away from your superpower. Because, like, at least, at least going into the strength skills you have, at least can feel good, at least feel accomplished, but maybe not fulfilled. So I guess, can we talk about, like, how we figure it out? I mean, obviously we need you, but like, can we talk about, like, a little bit of, like, what are some signs we have a superpower, or that we're working with it, or working what do we got?

Danielle Droitsch 10:49  

Yeah, it is, I mean, and, you know, I definitely encourage taking things like strengths assessments, because they'll just give you some bread crumbs. It doesn't say how you specifically are good, because these assessments can only take it so far, but it gives you some indications. And I did want to, like, quickly jump on this whole idea of weaknesses, because we are trained from like, itty bitty to focus on our weaknesses. Like the minute you come home with a C or even a D on your report card. Your parents are like, on you, they're like, you gotta move it up. You gotta move it up. And we're even doing that to our own kids. Like, now, I've kind of been reprogrammed for my own kid. It's, it's fine. We all when you're learning in school, it's good to build that basic skills. But when you're getting to, you know, your career, and especially in your middle or later in your career, you kind of have already have a lot of skills and knowledge. And so we have a lot of people who are like, oh, I got to figure this out and taking courses. And, you know, I don't, I don't disparage that. I'm all the time like, sure, constantly grow, but your actual growth edge, in terms of your full potential, whether you're thinking personally or you're thinking professionally, is not found in fixing weaknesses, period. We know this from the research. So what we want to do is we want to lean into a strength, and so the strength is not a skill. So I'll use myself as an example. I had a lot of skills in the legal space, in the policy space, and I would try to learn and take some continuing education. And I prided myself on, oh, I knew the latest and whatever is going on the law, and people would give me some feedback on that. So I think, oh, that's what I needed to do. But what was I doing around the office. I had a team. I would meet with them, I would learn about their lives. I cared about their growth. I spent time thinking, okay, how can we make this person better at what they do? And I never gave credence to that part of my role. I was just so focused on more knowledge and more information, and really all around me, I had been the person who actually is really good at helping another person in my office and eventually in my coaching business, help them actually really cultivate their own potential, and that's through conversation and through encouragement and through a whole bunch of like stuff that I would have ever given any sort of like value to I was like, doesn't everybody do that? No, not everybody (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 13:30  

Doesn't everybody get to know people? Doesn't ever, no, people don't, actually. You're right, I know, but to the point it's something so natural to you. Of course, I want to get to know this person. Of course, I want to hear what their goals are. Of course, wouldn't that be the thing a team leader does is, like, figure out how to help them out. Oh, this is so cool, this is so great.

Danielle Droitsch 13:41  

Yeah, so you don't so I didn't know that. I was like, literally, I mean, I was always helping my friends out, helping my family out, helping my colleagues out, and I was obsessed with becoming a better, whatever knowledge person in the legal space. And I wasn't really growing in that space. I was okay, but I wasn't extraordinary. And I remember there was a there was a time later in my early my coaching career, where somebody came to me and they after a coaching session, and they were like, you're amazing. You're so good at what you do. I had never heard that kind of feedback when I was in my profession. Never. No one ever came to me at work and said, You are the most amazing lawyer. I was like, you know, got some good reviews, but like, my when I noticed that actually I was I had leaned in to this part of me that I had kind of treated as not very valuable. I was like, Oh, you're just miss relationship person. Well, guess what? That's it. It's relationships, it's cultivation, it's all of that stuff. And so then suddenly I get the feedback that's where your superpower is. So it does take a little bit of time to figure out it's a great practice. And the key way to know your strengths is when you feel energy, you need to follow the energy. Anytime I ever, you know, connected with someone and sort of help them out. I was getting energy from that when I was trying to figure out a legal issue, I wasn't it wasn't even draining me. It was just bah, that's it. So you that's the place where you need to go. Is the energy that is a clue to your superpowers. And it's not just relationship strengths. There's all these different kind of strengths, but at the end of the day, it's when you feel energy and when you notice that you lose time. 

Lesley Logan 15:31  

Yeah, I agree with that. In Gay Hendricks' book, there's a chapter on the big leap. And I remember reading the book going this chapter makes no sense. Why is this chapter in this book. Like, why is there a whole chapter on Einstein Time and Newtonian time? Like, why is this here? And it took me, like, the fifth read. I was like, going through it, and I was like, oh, my god, this is what the book's all about. And the idea is, like, when we are really in the thing that we are meant to do that, like, we're just, it's just innately part of us. You can bend time. Time can expand. You can get so much out of it. You you can get lost in time. Time flies by. It's not like, my god, it's been seven minutes, okay, we're still here, you know, like, it's this whole it's kind of amazing. And so I think that's what a great sign everyone can take away is just to start tracking, like, what part of my day do I feel more energized, or the time flew by? Like, what was I doing? Just, just being an observer in your life. You don't even have to, like, do more than that, I would assume right now. 

Danielle Droitsch 16:30  

Yes, that's it. You just, you just nailed one of the first exercises that I do with my clients is journal, if you can, for like, a week, even better, longer, but just write down and what people, when my clients come back to me and say, I did this, there's usually, and I'm there, there's usually a, you know? Oh, I thought I hated all meetings, which many of us do, like we're just meeting down, right? We're just so tired (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 16:56  

I work from home, and somehow I'm in meetings all day. 

Danielle Droitsch 16:58  

So it's like I know that some of your listeners are like, yes, this is my debate in my existence. Like, I'm just sitting on meetings. But not all meetings are created equal, right? So what we want to do is sort of like, which makes sometimes you're in a meeting, you're having a strategic conversation with someone, and you're kind of really, you know, getting your brain active. You're thinking problem solving, and that conversation was pretty cool. And you're like, ooh, that goes into we call the lifts and the drains. You have a lift another call. You're like, going through a to do list, figuring out project management. Maybe that's a drain. You're like, I am so tired of going through the project management plan. And then there's other activities, which might be neutral, it's fine like it doesn't. But what we want, and this is the key thing, is the researchers who have kind of studied all of this stuff around fulfillment and engagement at work, if you can get to at least 20% of your day to be in that sort of energy zone, then you're what you're actually able to move the needle considerably on fulfillment. So you don't need for every single hour of your day. 

Lesley Logan 18:11  

Okay, well, that's mind-blowing, because I think that's the other thing, is that we think that, like, the whole day should be in fulfillment. I should just be in my strengths the whole day. I don't, you know like, and the truth is, is that I've even like thought, like, am I, am I, I like, created this whole thing that I love so much. And again, I'm in these meetings, like, did I create a disaster that I have to live in? But actually, like, if 20% if you're, if I spend 20% of my day in my superpower. Then even if the other 80% is not in, I'm still moving the needle forward towards towards fulfillment. I love that. That is so great.

Danielle Droitsch 18:48  

Yes, it is. And this is what you do. You start with just noticing. A lot of us don't notice. I mean, we're just kind of barreling through a life. And a lot of what I know you talk about Lesley all the time is just waking up to your life. You just got to wake up. You got to just start noticing. And that's kind of key to this whole exercise that I am talking about here, is you cannot just wake up and do your to do list and go through your meetings and then hope and pray that maybe things start to get more fulfilling. You have to start to notice, like, okay, that was draining. That was you don't have to, like, be judgy about it. You don't have to be like, Oh my gosh, I hate my job. You don't have to be like that. You can be like, okay, I'm going to take some time objectively and look, because sometimes people come to me, they're like, I hate my job. And then they realize there's one part of their job that they hate and there's another part of their job they actually really enjoy. They're just not paying a whole lot of attention to it. And they could magnify the part of the job they love, they may not be able to get rid of the part of the job they hate. Let's all be honest, like there's parts that we I don't love. I don't love administration of my business, you know, calendaring, it just drives me crazy, right? So we just have to kind of look for those things that we're able to magnify, that the things that bring us energy, and that is usually the first step to the creating, the creation of more fulfilling work. And what I mean by magnifying is more time, maybe, or just more attention in that space. And what start people have noticed, you know, getting back to the research, is that their actual levels of fulfillment, engagement go up in their jobs. And it doesn't matter what kind of job it can be the most restrictive job out there, and it still creates more energy, if you focus on the 20%. 

Lesley Logan 20:37  

Okay, this is, I do think this is great, because I think it's so easy for us to go, oh my gosh, I'm going to work and I'm stressed out. So work stresses me out. So we just have to, like, create a reason. And really what we're not exploring is like, actually, where my I face a wall at work, and actually, when I have this, when I'm in these meetings, I actually light up because, oh, I'm facing a window. So maybe I just need to change, ask for a change and view of my desk, or maybe I work in that meeting room as much as I possibly can, you know, like different things like that, because sometimes we're just it's all or nothing. It's an all or nothing mentality that so many of us are raised to have. If it's not perfect, it's not good, if everything isn't rosy and unicorns, then it's the wrong path. Like, if you have one door closed, then you're on the wrong path. Like, but I, Danielle, you're giving us so much permission, because first, we're just observing, and I think that's really hard for the perfectionist and overachievers listening, but my dears, like in just observation mode of how your day is going and where your energy is ebbing and flowing, and then it's trying to magnify where the energy flow happened, and then seeing what's going on, because maybe we don't have to quit the job. You know, like, I read this one book a long time ago. Think it was called, like, [Bright] Side Up or something like that. I remember the author's name, name is Amy Spencer, and there's a whole chapter on, like, parking the car or draw like, or driving away, right? But not idling. And sometimes we, like, have, like, think we have to, just like, get rid of the whole job, but, oh, it actually pays all these things I want, so I'll just kind of deal with it when what you're saying is like, well, what if we can magnify that? And that magnification might actually lead to another role, or it might lead to a whole other career. You might actually end up like you did, switching because you leaned in so much. But you don't have to know right away.

Danielle Droitsch 22:19  

No, and in fact, I would say a lot of people, we all fall into this trap, too, everyone. We all fall into it. But the trap is I will finally be happy when, dot, dot, dot.

Lesley Logan 22:32  

That's why this podcast exists, for that win. Stop doing the I will finally be happy when.

Danielle Droitsch 22:37  

Yeah, it's like we've got, and this happens with jobs all the time. I mean, people have most I mean most of the American workforce, 70% of the global workforce, are not happy in their roles. That's incredible. It is a staggering and very unsatisfying statistic. And that's not just pandemic. That is we have a workplace that is so different than our, whateve,r grandfather's or our parents from the 50s, 60s and 70s. So we're, you know, things are broken. I'm, I'll be the first one to say we don't have a great workplace for our people. But the thing I will say right after that is, you have the power, you have the flexibility to actually empower yourself to make that career actually work for you, and the way you do that is first by noticing what energizes you. And it could be something as simple as where you sit. It could be, I really like that person at work, and I'm going to spend more time with them. It could be, I really like this project and I'm gonna spend more time on it. There's a lot of different ways that you can do that, but that is called job crafting. That's the official term. And then you can, you know, whatever you can do to minimize the stuff that's draining you, but you're basically paying attention to what energizes you, and chances are that the things that energize you are actually the things you're really good at, and that's where your actual career growth happens. So there's a correlation between things that bring you energy, so you feel more fulfilled at work, and it happens to be the places where you are that's your superpowers. And then what happens is your job crafting, and you're not maybe you would need to change your job at some point. But you're not waiting. You're not waiting for some big change to happen, because, frankly, you're gonna find drains, lifts and drains in every job. It doesn't matter.

Lesley Logan 24:32  

Yeah, oh yeah, guys, no. I mean, even I have so many people who are like, I just want to work for myself. And I'm like, working for yourself. Is it is not like, like, I have a girlfriend who's like, hey, you want to do a pool day, and I'm like, oh, no, I'm working today. Like, I would love to do a pool day, but like, I also have a job that I have to do with a schedule, you know, so, like, I absolutely am unemployable. It's clear I've been asked to quit, but people like me, and they're like, we don't want to fire you, but you're not actually doing the job we want. I'm like, no, you're correct. I job-crafted myself out of a job, is what I did. But I think, like, it's, you know, we like to think the grass is greener, and it's just, it's not. But the people I've seen who who work at other places, who are have have really created a life that they're fulfilled, or like that just seems to be enjoyable and have a level of happiness. They are the ones leaning into their superpowers. I have, one of my best friends. You know, she'd been frustrated in her job for a long time, and she said, I just told my team, I'm no longer doing these things for you. You are capable of doing these things. Here's where I come in for your job. And she basically changed what her job is even though, because she couldn't change her job, like, she's like, I really can't go anywhere else, and I really can't change these things. I'm gonna do these things here. And she's having a really great time. Is it perfect? No, still have the same job, yes, but she's doing the things that she's like, I'm really, I'm really good at these things. You can't take these things away from me. Like, this is what I'm the strongest at, and I what I love, what you're saying is we're not waiting. You are more control of how fulfilled you can be than you think, and jobs are going to suck in a lot of places. But if you are aware of how you are in your superpower, you can really create your own path. 

Danielle Droitsch 26:15  

Yes, and I mean, we have, if you are a so called white collar worker, your ability to craft your job, as in, make shifts and changes to how you deploy your work. It doesn't mean you're you're saying I'm not going to do my basic job responsibilities, but there's just tremendous flexibility in how we conduct ourselves. So what your friend did was exactly right. There are, there are things I'm not going to do anymore. I'm not going to do that. You can do that. We're going to get it done, but it's not going to be necessarily on my plate. The kinds of things people are doing are they start to change the number of meetings or the nature of the meetings that they're having. If you're a one to one person, more one to one and less group, if you don't have enough time on your calendar to strategize you really enjoy, sort of getting into the data, then you need to like craft time around having that space and time, because you're going to actually bring a better strategic mind, because you're not sitting in meetings all day. There's lots of different ways you can job craft, but it starts with you. It starts with you knowing where am I energized? What do I enjoy? Where am I drained? What's neutral? And then you just move the needle. And you might be at you might say, Hey, I think I'm at 20% already, which is great, if you are. I want to be 30%. I want 30% of my week to be in that strengths or energy zone. And here's what I'm going to do, to do it. And I promise you, at 10% it might seem like a little number, it's like, oh, just 30% Guess what? You will notice it. You will notice it. You will start to be more fulfilled. You're going to be more engaged in the job. People are going to notice your energy. And then you're going to actually start to sort of deal with that career growth that a lot of people are seeking. They want to, they want to, like, when you said perfectionist, like, a lot of people, want to deliver high performing work. They're, they're, they're trying to bring their best to work. The problem is, is that they're bringing their best selves to work, in terms of, like, quality of work, but they're actually kind of, like, not really deeply engaged. We need to see your superpowers come out, and that's where the 20 to 30% becomes a complete sea change.

Lesley Logan 28:25  

Yeah, so. And also, like, I recently interviewed someone who is, like, helping people, like, prevent, you know, like, it's like, layoff proof or something like that. Like, if you get laid off, your life is gonna be okay. Because she had said, and I didn't, I did not double check this quote, but I it feels right. She said it by 2032 work will be different than we think, because of AI, right? And I like, I'm not someone who's like, AI is going to like be everything, because I really don't, really don't think so. I think there's a lot that they have to learn. They haven't even figured how to monetize it. I but I also think that, like, it's already here, like apps and tools like that already use it. We've been using a project management tool that basically has AI built into it with these different things. So I do think work is going to change, and where I keep coming back to something that I remember, I think, with Seth Godin, who said it, god, 20 years ago, I heard this. He's like, you know, you cannot like they even though AI is creating stuff, they're creating stuff off things that are existing you, if you are a creative person, if you like the if you are in your superpower, that is not something a robot can take away. Like that is not something AI can take away. And I think like now more than ever, the more we all figure out what our superpower is, the more layoff proof we really are. And because someone's gonna need to run the AI.

Danielle Droitsch 29:39  

Somebody has to run the AI. But I had a client just a few, few days ago. She was, been in fear of a layoff. And, I mean, it was a real, real fear. I mean, she was given time, like we have this much time. And then she came back to me proudly and said, I just made myself indispensable. So she figured out a way to bring her superpowers forward, so that she had to be the person on the team to help with something. And she's got all these superpowers, and she figured it out. So part of like, what we're talking about here is this idea of career growth, this idea of like, not being stagnant. I come at it from a perspective of, nobody wants to go to a job and hate it like we want to love our jobs. We do not want to go to work and just be like zombies. Do we? For most people, I'll bet most of your listeners, if not all of them, it is not just about a paycheck. And so we really, really want to have, I mean, ideally, love our work, and that's where I come from. But if you're also thinking, I want to love my work and I want to grow. I want to think about where my career is going. Then, yeah, by all means, figure out your superpowers and very quickly, because it is not about skills and strengths. When you're mid to senior in your career, everybody else has those skills and strengths too. And of course, AI is coming to pick them up. It's going to be found in this secret way, this unusual way, for you to manage people, to be a strategic thinker, to influence others. I mean, these are all what strengths are. They're soft, but they're crucial, and you probably don't even know you're doing them, which is why you have to figure them out. 

Lesley Logan 31:19  

Can you tell me, like, what are just like, like, what are some superpowers you've seen in clients? Like, just because, like, name them off, because I think some people are like, thinking of superpower has to be like, I can see, like, I only know that people can, like, articulate what they think a superpower is (inaudible). 

Danielle Droitsch 31:34  

It's a bit of a process. So I'll just pull out some of my big favorites. And these are ones I see in my regular clients, achievers. So achievers are people who they're basically laser focused on getting projects done. It is not just about the project. It's that they are tireless workers to reach a result and that, and they might have examples of that, like degrees they might have achieved or projects. But the achievers are the ones who are the ones who actually get the job done. And then you have the examples of that. Another example would be in the influencing category. We have a whole set of influencing. It's people who are great at activating new project, mobilizing resources, and mobilizing people to actually ramp something new up. Another example would be the developer, which is basically someone who is great at helping someone else reach their full potential. These are the managers. These are the leaders who are great at cultivating teams. Another example. 

Lesley Logan 32:34  

These are the managers. We hope that every manager has a developing.

Danielle Droitsch 32:38  

So many terrible managers out there, it's unbelievable, anyway. And so, yeah, if you're a great manager, my goodness, you are marketable. Like, that's a transferable skill, because we don't have enough great managers or the ability to bring a team together around a common goal. Yeah, it's great to be able to project manage, but it's the person who's really able to sort of bring a team together and say, we are all rowing the same way. And that's a lot of lot of special little powers you bring to get everybody, usually it's a disparate and very diverse group of people to say together we're doing. And then a final example, and there's, in my world, if there's 34 of them, so I'm not going to, you know, go through all of them, but the final couple would be one is the person in the room who's the strategic thinker who's really able to figure out that pathway. They're thinking, hey, you know what? We have this challenge or this problem, they're the one who just incisively, can cut through all the noise and figure out what the pathway is, and they might be getting there first before everyone else, and they don't understand why no one else figures it out. And then the final one I'll share is the person who is the ideator, the person in the room who is just great at generating ideas, cultivating new things, innovation. Sometimes that's the ad people and the sales people, but sometimes that's just, you know, it's, you're just a person in the room saying, I have an idea. Those are just at a smattering, and there was no skills or strengths. I mean, no skills or knowledge, and anything I just shared with you.

Lesley Logan 34:05  

I agree. I I'm the ideator around here, and the and Brad walks around going, no, that, we'll take we'll take this idea and that idea, we can do it. It's just, it's gonna cost us a lot of money. And, and I'm like, oh, like, I didn't want to spend that much money on that idea. Like, I just thought it'd be, like, this easy thing to do, okay, but, like, it's quite fun. And I had no idea, because I was someone like, why can't I finish anything? You know? Why do I have all these my head is full of ideas, and I just feel like I can't finish anything. And actually, it's because that's not my strength. It's not my superpower, to finish anything.

Danielle Droitsch 34:38  

Yeah, you're like, you're the person in the room who generates and I'm sure that in your life and your business, you could point to specific things you're doing that were generated by you, the thing, and this is a little bit of advanced thinking in the in the strength zone, but you may feel like you're weak at something, but actually, it's actually a superpower that's being overextended. So for my ideators, I'll say, they'll they'll come to me and say, I'm so weak at this, this mess. And what it is is that if you're ideating and you have a lot of ideas and you're just constantly throwing them out, the over extension or overuse of a strength is just to know that only a couple of your ideas are going to move forward, and that's it. So sometimes people come to me and they're like, oh, I'm so weak at this. And then we'll look at their strengths and talk, and I'm like, you know what? I don't think it's a weakness. I think it's just that you are trying to exercise a strength a little bit more. And what we want to do is we want to put the strength superpower in the strength zone. Sometimes we may be overextending something. So don't think you're weak just because, you know, I just see it too often, especially with my women clients, like they come in, they're like, I'm so bad. Like, I'll use myself as an example. That I used to think as my relationship strengths, as my weakness, that I was too soft, too emotional. And in fact, what it was was that I didn't have any space or time in my workplace, which is very, you know, kind of masculine and, you know, very corporate, that there was no space for me to be cultivating my emotional intelligence in there. It was just get things done. But in a coaching space, all of my emotional intelligence was really welcome. So you just want to be really aware that it may not be a weakness, it may be a strength. It's just you have to figure out the right place for it. 

Lesley Logan 36:24  

That makes so much sense, Danielle, because, like, it's the same as me telling people, like, well, you're not really supposed to overwork out, like you might actually be working out too much, and that's why you have aches, pains, injuries, high cortisol levels, terrible sleep. Like there is a balance. So that, to me, makes so much sense. This is really refreshing and quite cool and also approachable. And I just want to like highlight, like it really is a be it till you see it, because you get to start an observation mode, and then you get to play in a low percentage you guys have, and that's so, so great for the perfectionist who are practicing recovery to be like, just like, what's this percentage? And how can I dial it up a little bit more and a little bit more at a time until, oh my gosh, you are totally loving what your your day is like. And we I just, thank you, Danielle, for just highlighting all of this for us. We're gonna take a brief break and we're gonna find out where people can find you, follow you and find out their superpowers with you. 

Lesley Logan 37:02  

All right, Danielle, where do you hang out? Where can they learn their superpower? What do you have for us?

Danielle Droitsch 37:28  

I you find me on LinkedIn, connect with me. Please reach out. Connect with me on LinkedIn, I have a gazillion resources there on everything from leadership to confidence to superpowers. That's the best place to find me. Where I hang out. I also am on a couple of other places, and you can find me on my website at time4wellbeing, the number four, time4wellbeing.com.

Lesley Logan 37:48  

Perfect, wonderful. You all, go check her out on LinkedIn, and then go check her website for those free resources. We love that. You have given us some great stuff already, but bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? 

Danielle Droitsch 38:02  

Yeah, so just follow your energy. That's where your superpowers live. The clarity doesn't come from thinking harder harder. Confidence doesn't come from faking it. I know you. This is something you've said a lot. They come from activating what's true about you.

Lesley Logan 38:02  

That's beautiful. I couldn't agree more. I really, it's really someone at the end of another podcast, go, you're so confident. And I'm like, and like, how did you get to be so confident? I'm like, I think I just just keep trying to do what I said I was going to do each and every day it doesn't come, you don't you don't get deemed it, y'all.

Danielle Droitsch 38:43  

No, no. And I mean, honestly, I have led many people to this confidence journey, and we are waiting for this mindset to ship to show up. And we know, again, I'm a research-based gal. Confidence is not built through the mindset. It is built through action and failure and success and getting right back up. And I would say, I've been gone through that gamut, like many of your listeners have. It sounds like you have, too, but it's not through waiting for it. It is really about action.

Lesley Logan 39:18  

Yes, yes, yes, yes, all things, yes, Danielle, we are so grateful to have you like you just have been so wonderful. And I'm so excited that you figured out what your superpower is so you could be doing this with other people like, thank goodness. I mean, I'm sure you were a great environmental law lawyer, and the environment needed you. But I think all of us, ladies here, and the few good men who listen, need you too. So thank you all. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you tell Danielle on LinkedIn. You tag the beitpod, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Maybe you got a friend who's just not really sure what their superpower is and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 39:51  

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Brad Crowell 40:33  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

 

Lesley Logan 40:38  

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Brad Crowell 40:43  

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Lesley Logan 40:49  

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Brad Crowell 40:53  

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Lesley Logan brings a little Halloween magic and a big reminder that progress isn’t always linear. From 58-year-old record-breaker DonnaJean Wilde to community member Kelly Nyhan’s confidence win, Lesley celebrates the power of showing up, shifting plans, and staying grounded through change. She shares how unexpected pivots can become proud milestones and closes with an affirmation to help you trust your gut and lead with heart.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How DonnaJean Wilde’s plank record proves that strength has no age limit.
• Why Kelly Nyhan’s win celebrates consistency, connection, and self-trust.
• How Lesley turned unexpected pivots into proof of her resilience.
• The mindset shift that helps you see change as progress.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

  

Brad Crowell 0:00  

Fuck yeah.

  

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:44  

Hello, Be It babe. Happy Friday. Happy Fuck Yeah Friday and Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. I don't, I do not decorate for Halloween. I actually, I don't like to be scared, but I have to say that I really am some, like, somewhat excited about this holiday, mostly because I just, over the last year, I feel like I've learned a bit more about the holidays. And, like, what I was told was, like, paganism and like weird, like, witchy stuff. And, you know, because I grew up in religion, and now I can look at this holiday and go, I love all the witches. Yeah, I love them all. They were like the all knowing women. Often they were fucking doulas. And I just love it. I really wish this holiday had been, like, kept alive from the history of it in a different way. But, you know, it's good. So we celebrate things that are on our hearts and our minds. Wins of yours you send in, a win of mine and an affirmation. 

Lesley Logan 1:42  

So this is really cool. I saw this online. 58-year-old Donna Jean Wilde set the Guinness World Record for the longest abdominal plank held by a woman. Okay, so this is insane. 58, when they're telling us, oh, women after 40, good luck building muscle. Blah, blah, blah. Well, 58-year-old Donna Jean Wilde from Alberta, set a Guinness World Record in March 2024 for the longest plank held by a woman holding it for, ready, four hours, 30 minutes and 11 seconds. She also holds the record for the most push ups in one hour by a woman, 1,575, I don't even know why we need to know, like, have these records, like, I'm actually not sure that it's even like necessary, but I love that she did this, and I love that she's 58 and I love that she's a grandmother, and I love that she's, is she a grandmother? At least she, they said, did I read that wrong? Anyways, I freaking, maybe she's not, but she's still a kick ass woman, whether or not, she is in my book. I also like, look at some of these things and just go, how do they have the time to practice? How would you even know you could hold it for four hours? Like, I don't know what else you're doing in the day to get her things going on. But I fucking love this for you. And I love, oh no, she has a grandchild. In fact, she has 12 grandchildren. I didn't think I made that up. Okay, there we go. I'm like, my memory is pretty good. Anyways, I'm impressed by that. I just think, like, this is proof that we can be it till you see with anything we want, anything we want, you don't you don't just, like, show up one day and do a four hour plank. I don't even know if I can be with myself for four hours. You know, that's a long time, but she fucking did. So anyways, you can do whatever you want. I'm not saying you can do that too, because I don't know that you need to, but I I'm happy for her, and I'm happy to share with you that you can build muscle and kick ass at 58 years old or older. 

Lesley Logan 3:32  

Here we go. We have an amazing win from Kelly Nyhan. We love her and love her from Chicago. We've experienced her. We got to see her a lot in different places in the world. I love when we get to see what's going on in the wins of people's lives. She has listened to this podcast for years. So her FYF is okay, I'm feeling really great about my practice and teaching these days, and I've had to really pat myself on the back, LL and Brad and my fellow eLevators on the fact that I am keeping some type of practice in my day and week, increasing my movement what feels good in my body for right now, and diving deeper into the exercises with the flash cards, which are a game changer. Complement with YouTube videos I signed up for OPC and committed to watching and doing each video. I feel good about watching the video sometimes at 2.0 speed before I do the class. That feels good to me right now, but maybe in the future, I'll just go for it. A couple more fyfs. I signed up for a day at Balanced Body Chicago's Pilates On Tour, purchased a Contrology Wunda Chair to pick up, signed up for LL's mat class at a local studio, Rachel from eLevate, and, of course, the happy hour, oh, and I helped facilitate LL's current eLevate group for part of chairs weekend, chairs, oh, I want to master you. And sorry this is long, but I have a loose system for really showing up for the things I want to keep me connected to my Agency eLevate and OPC community. Feeling great and more connected in every which way. And it shows in my teaching. I'm getting more confident every day. Woohoo. Kelly, there's a lot of wins in there, babe, which I, you know I love. I love that you're giving yourself permission, like you're like, okay, I need to watch the class first. Like, we all have different learning styles. And instead of us, like, going, oh, I, like, I have ADHD, and I have to catch myself like, sometimes I say it like, I was like, like, I'm annoyed by it, right? Instead, it's like, well, I have this, and so because I have this, I do this, and I'm going to celebrate that. So I'm celebrating you, Kelly, that you are like, you know what? Right now, I need to watch the class at 2x speed so that I can see what's going on, so that when I do the class, I know what I'm modifying so you can honor your body. I love that. That's so great for you. And like all the different things you're doing, to be in community and to make sure that you get to prioritize that that's huge. It's not easy to do, so, it's not easy to make time for other people all the time, and you're doing a great job. So thank you for sending your win in. Kelly, who's next, who's gonna send their win in? 

Lesley Logan 5:46  

A win of mine. So this win is a little long time in sharing, because I've had other things I want to celebrate with you, but I wanted to still celebrate this with you. This is my year of, like, pivot, which, like, who knew we would all thought that would've been 2020 and I'd be, like, gone and done with it, but I actually don't think so. I think 2020 was, like, the transformation year that I planned it to be, and it just looked a little differently, and everyone else was pivoting. This has been the pivot year. So we had to pivot in the summertime with the Canada thing to virtual. And then literally, 10 days later, we had something going with our AC. We had a bunch of people the house for an eLevate workshop. We had a pivot to another place, made a pivot back I should have done another pivot that I've had to do. And I just want to say, like, I'm pretty freaking proud and celebrating that, like I actually have practice what can I do so freaking much that I can just pivot in minutes on any massive project, and it can include many people, and I find a way to make the actual thing that I wanted to happen, and then I'm able to execute on it, and I can feel so good at the end of the day going even though I'm tired, even though whoa, I planned for X and I ended up doing y. Why did I have to plan for X for so many months to only do Y in so many minutes? But I'm celebrating that, because I think a lot of times, we would just focus on all the shit that went wrong, and I got, I by being like, celebrating that I was able to pivot like, to celebrate all the things that we got right and we got to do and the experience and the community that we had because of it. And I'm just so proud. And so anyways, there's probably a skill set you have that other people don't, that you probably don't even realize it's a skill set. And I'm telling you, it's time to celebrate that you did those things, that you're doing those things, because it's really easy to take our strengths for granted and not just take a moment to celebrate. Oh my God, fucking great at that, right? Fucking great at that. All right, anyways, pivot queen over here, who hopes that next year is a different kind of year. 

Lesley Logan 7:39  

All right. Your affirmation to leave you for the weekend. Oh, this one's good. I make decisions based on a good gut. I make changes based on a growing heart. I make decisions based on a good gut, and I make changes based on a growing heart. I make decisions based on a good gut and I make changes based on a growing heart. How much abundance is that? Fucking great. Yeah, all right, go Be It Till You See It. See you next time. 

Lesley Logan 8:06  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:49  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:53  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 8:58  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:05  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 9:08  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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In this recap, Lesley and Brad reflect on their powerful conversation with Amber Fuhriman—attorney, NLP trainer, and host of Break Your Bullshit Box. Together they unpack how perfectionism and people-pleasing keep high achievers trapped in fear, and how authenticity, though uncomfortable, is freeing. This episode challenges listeners to take responsibility for their choices and trust that staying authentic is better than constantly seeking approval.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why people-pleasing is a hidden form of control, not kindness.
• How perfectionism hides behind fear and the need for validation.
• What authentic affirmations sound like without toxic positivity.
• Why creating an “SOS list” can help you act instead of overthink.
• How taking responsibility for choices leads to personal freedom.

Episode References/Links:

• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com
• OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/events
• Pilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournal
• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandt
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brussels
• eLevate - https://lesleylogan.co/elevate
• eLevate Waitlist - https://lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/fNNWEah
• Amber Fuhriman’s Website: https://www.successdevelopmentsolutions.com
• 90 Day Success Jumpstart Training - https://jumpstart.successdevelopmentsolutions.com
• Break Your Bullshit Box Community - https://www.facebook.com/groups/morethancorporate

 

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Episode Transcript:

Speaker 1 0:00  

She advocates for affirmations that acknowledge the gap between who I think I am now and who I need to be in order to accomplish this. You know, I want to be this type of person. I will become this type of person, right? I am becoming this type of person.

Lesley Logan 0:14  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:57  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the candid convo I had with Amber Fuhriman on our last episode. If you haven't listened to that one, you are going to need to listen to that one, because I'm stumbling over my words today. 

Brad Crowell 1:12  

It's a great episode. It's a lot of fun.

Lesley Logan 1:14  

It's so good, it's so fun. And it was nice as local. And I really like being on her podcast, so you're gonna want to listen to it whether you listen to it first or last, I mean, there's, it's really okay, I think, in life to hear the ending and then watch the show. Sometimes I do that with real life TV, because I just want to know if I'm like, falling like, if I'm like, rooting for a villain or not. I just want to know. I gotta, I gotta have that information now.

Brad Crowell 1:35  

Yeah, she's not lying. She literally does this. 

Lesley Logan 1:38  

Hey, you know what? 

Brad Crowell 1:39  

Tell me. 

Lesley Logan 1:39  

Bands would like drop just like a single song, but you'd go buy the whole album without listening to it. So you, in fact, knew there's one song I'm gonna love on this. 

Speaker 1 1:50  

I think there's a difference between the teaser of something and the ending conclusion. 

Lesley Logan 1:55  

These are not teasers. The recap episode is teasers. We are taking a talking point each, right? And of the many talking points that they had, so it's like two things.

Speaker 1 2:06  

I don't know what that has to do with going and watching the end of a TV show before you start the TV show. That's the conclusion versus a teaser. 

Lesley Logan 2:12  

It's a sample, sampling. 

Brad Crowell 2:14  

Okay. 

Lesley Logan 2:14  

Sampling a part. 

Brad Crowell 2:16  

It just happens to be the ending sample. 

Lesley Logan 2:18  

Okay. Well, today is October 30th and we decided we want to talk about tomorrow, because tomorrow is Halloween. And I don't know about you, but I grew up. First of all, I went to some churches where Halloween was, like, just the evilest thing you couldn't even go trick or treating. Did you ever go to a church like that, like, where, like, they didn't even? 

Brad Crowell 2:35  

No. 

Lesley Logan 2:35  

Okay. Your church has always trick or treated? 

Brad Crowell 2:37  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 2:38  

Okay. So I did not experience that all of my childhood. But then some churches, we could totally trick or treat, and then there were some churches where you could trick or treat, but like people, like whispered, you know. 

Brad Crowell 2:49  

They whispered about trick or treating? 

Lesley Logan 2:51  

At any rate, what no one talks about is how this holiday had nothing to do with the churches, and it wasn't even the Halloween. It was about something else. And we decided to tell you about the true history of Halloween. So.

Speaker 1 3:03  

Yeah, it's, it's actually like cultural warfare is, if you, if you want to look at it. 

Lesley Logan 3:08  

I know, like, it's like an appropriation. 

Brad Crowell 3:10  

Yeah. Well, they, yes, they appropriated the time and they renamed it. So we'll talk about that. 

Lesley Logan 3:16  

Okay, many, many holidays were done this way. So Halloween originated from the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain, right. 

Brad Crowell 3:24  

Samhain. 

Lesley Logan 3:25  

No no. In the thing we looked up, it literally said to how to say it pronounced saa

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 wn. So Samhain is pronounced saa

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 wn spelled Samhain, but it's you say it saa

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 wn, let me go back to my sheet. Okay. A three day celebration held over 2000 years ago that marked the end of the harvest season and the beginning of the dark, cold winter. Are you gonna just.

Brad Crowell 3:52  

Sorry, just taking over right there. All right, keep going. 

Lesley Logan 3:55  

Okay. Thank you so much. Okay, so the Celts believed that this was a time when the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead blurred, allowing spirits to roam the earth. To ward off harmful spirits and guide benevolent ones, they lit bonfires, wore costumes and left offerings and food outside their homes. Pause, just so you know, also in October in Cambodia, they do something called Pchum Ben and Pchum Ben, Pchum Ben, it is a almost month long celebration in parts of the country, but for sure, a three day celebration where everyone, no one works, including in the tourist city of Siem Reap we're only going to find expats working. You're not going to find a single Cambodian working. And they they don't get dressed up, but they celebrate and they do all these things so like that is awesome.

Speaker 1 4:42  

Pchum Ben is a Buddhist holiday that is celebrated every year where they believe that the souls of their ancestors are released for 15 days so that they can basically stay with family. 

Lesley Logan 4:53  

Yeah, it's really cool. People like will travel on a moto for 11 hours to go with family. It's freaking crazy. But I just want to say, like, how cool, like, even across the world, the same, similar thing was happening. So to ward off harmful spirits and guide benevolent ones, they, oh, I already said that part, sorry. 

Speaker 1 5:09  

They lit bonfires, wore costumes and left offerings, which is actually like it trickles down over the, you know, millennia. And the ancient custom, those ancient customs, kind of evolved into what are now, trick or treating, the costumes, decorations and parties celebrated for modern Halloween. I mean, we don't light bonfires and, you know that kind of a thing (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 5:30  

No because if you did, people are gonna think that you're a witch. But you can actually just say, no, I'm celebrating. How do you say it? Samhain, I'm celebrating Samhain Okay, so the oh, one more thing on this, the Roman and Christian influence. After the Romans conquered the Celtic lands, Roman festivals like Feralia and Pomona were incorporated into Samhain traditions. Later, the Catholic Church established All Saints Day on November 1st and All Souls Day on November 2nd, making October 31st All Hallows Eves, which means hallowed or holy, right? So they just.

Brad Crowell 6:05  

Which then become Halloween. Yup.

Lesley Logan 6:08  

.Yeah, So they just stole it. 

Brad Crowell 6:10  

Yeah. Just just renaming things over here. 

Lesley Logan 6:12  

So if you don't like that I'm harping on the church, you know it, sometimes we have to accept the responsibility of people from our past. Every fucking group of people has done something wrong, but it's more important to be like, educated and understand. And if you love Halloween, I love that for you. I decided to get into Halloween-ish, this year I got witchy nails, which are not done for this recording, but just check out my Instagram. They're witchy nails for me anyways. And when I because I just, like, remember, when I was why does everybody like, this holiday, but now that I, like, know the history of it and what it was for, I actually can get down with it.

Speaker 1 6:50  

It also marks like, it's actually the end of a season, going into the next season. So it was the end of harvest. So imagine, yeah, imagine, imagine you just spent all season, like, you know, really digging in on the harvest, and now it's time to party, and there's a new season coming. So I feel like it all kind of goes together. 

Lesley Logan 7:11  

And also, like, I mean, just imagine a couple thousand years ago, like, life was so hard. And I also (inaudible), the more you look at the celebrations that they had, it really was like taking a pause of the hard work of life, and doing some sort of way to celebrate that. And we don't do that around here. We just, like, keep working through all the things. And like, at least in the States, maybe you take off a couple days for the actual holidays. And so I just, I feel like this is a holiday that has a lot more history to it. And and I, and I kind of like, what that history is. It seems really beautiful. And what a great way to spend time with family and past loved ones. And also, like, let's not forget, you know, in Mexico, they do Día de Muertos, which is on November 1st, right? Like, the big celebration of the like, there's a lot of different cultures that celebrate the people that have come before them and spend time together. And there's all this stuff. So anyways, just think about that. Think about the loved ones you had, and celebrate the harvesting you did, and report back. Okay.

Speaker 1 8:09  

Yeah, Lesley and I've been back from Cambodia and Singapore now for a week and a half. And it's just always so refreshing for us to get back to our second family over there. You know, people that we love, the places that we love to be in. The environment over there is just it's so magical. And we would love to have you join us next year, but get on the waitlist, because there's limited amount of spots. We're going to be going in October of next year, but we're going to be announcing all of that in January. So go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on the waitlist for information about the upcoming trip for 2026 we're only going one time next year, only going one time next year. We're only going one one time next year. 

Lesley Logan 8:50  

Are you trying to convince yourself or everyone else? 

Brad Crowell 8:53  

I'm letting everybody know, because a lot of people have said, oh, I'll come with you in the spring, and we're not going in the spring. We are only going in the fall next year, so, side note. 

Lesley Logan 9:04  

And probably the year after that, I just have to say it to you. 

Brad Crowell 9:06  

October 1st, we already rolled out our tour go to opc.me/events to join us for the OPC winter tour. We're gonna be driving all around the United States of America. We're gonna be going from Vegas all the way up to Boston, down to Miami and back. It's gonna be something like 24, 25 locations. It's kind of insane. We're very excited about it. We are going to be even bigger.

Lesley Logan 9:28  

We're going to studios we've not been to and have been excited. They've been on the list for a while. These are human beings that, like, we have literally been like, how do we make sure we get to see them again?

Speaker 1 9:39  

But you can find out all the specifics where we're stopping. Go to opc.me/events, chances are high that some locations may already be sold out. 

Lesley Logan 9:47  

Yeah it's been out for a month. 

Brad Crowell 9:48  

Because it's been out for a month. So but go check it out opc.me/tour. Then in January, where are you teaching?

Lesley Logan 9:55  

We'll be at the Pilates Journal, their first ever event in the U.S. It will be at Huntington Beach. If you go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal, you can get your tickets 

Brad Crowell 10:03  

Pilates Journal Expo. 

Lesley Logan 10:05  

Yeah. So Pilates Journal is a Pilates Journal. It's a magazine, and they.

Brad Crowell 10:10  

It's free, by the way. 

Lesley Logan 10:11  

Is it? 

Brad Crowell 10:11  

Yeah. The journal they release is free. 

Lesley Logan 10:14  

Oh, I love that. I mean, I always just assumed, I just was given it for free. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Pilates Journal, but I just, I don't know. I just thought maybe they just (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 10:23  

I'm like 90% sure. 

Lesley Logan 10:25  

But they, they do a really, they do events in Australia and. 

Brad Crowell 10:28  

Yeah, subscribe for free. 

Lesley Logan 10:29  

You can subscribe for free. I've written for articles for them several times. I think it's really worth looking into. But if you're a Pilates teacher, you should come. The lineup is amazing. Several of these teachers have taught. We've all taught together somewhere, but never taught all together. So like you're not going to see this line up again, you might as well come and then in February, we're going to host Agency Mini, that is our business coaching program for Pilates instructors and studio owners. And you're going to want to go to prfit,biz/mini. So it's profit without the O dot B-I-Z slash mini, to get on the waitlist. Also probably in January-ish, they'll be letting the waitlist people get the best discount. So I'm just saying. In March, we're going to two places in Europe. We'll be in Poland, at the Pilates Poland Controlology Pilates Conference. So go to xxll.co/poland by the way, I'm doing that with Karen Frischmann. And so if you like me, and you're gonna like Karen, I'm just gonna tell you right now, she's like, she's extremely smart, extremely knowledgeable. And like, I I feel, I feel like, like, you know how there's like the pop band, and then there's like the, like, uber rock, like, just has done, been doing music for decades, and like, they're just like, that's what it is. And so you, if you don't know Karen, I promise you're gonna love Karen. And if you know Karen, then what are you waiting for? The two of us will be together so we can, like, knock it out in one weekend, or go into Brussels, xxll.co/brussels. We'll be at El's studio there in Brussels, and we're very excited about it, different workshops at each event. So, but same teacher. So you're as long as long as you love Karen and I, or one of us, you're gonna have a great lineup. Just pick the one that works the best for you, and then we will, Brad is gonna take me on a second honeymoon, and then we are going to land and arrive at P.O.T in London. And I don't have a link for you, but you could just Google P.O.T., Balanced Bodies P.O.T. London, It will come up. They have amazing SEO. They're really good at what they do. And you can snag your spot. It is limited, and it sells out every year. So there you go. Before we get into this amazing interview with Amber, what is our question this week?

Speaker 1 12:29  

@marystarpilates asks, hey, Lesley, do you still do your continued education teacher training program? Where can I find information on that? Thank you so much. So I'm assuming she's talking about eLevate. 

Lesley Logan 12:41  

Yes, I did clarify. And the answer is yes, she's talking about my mentorship program for Pilates instructors. So you have to have, you have to have done a comprehensive program in that, like, you should have been trained on the mat, Reformer, Cadillac or Tower and Chair, right? The Wunda Chair. Of course, I'd love it if you (inaudible) on the barrels. But like, I'm not worried about you being overwhelmed by the fifth weekend, but you need and then you have to have access to a mat, a Reformer, a Tower, Cadillac, a Chair and a Barrel. So you don't have to have a full studio access. It doesn't have to be classical. In fact, I work with both classically trained and contemporary trained people who are classic, classically curious, classical people who feel like they were like, taught this, like, rigid, you know, culty perfect way of doing Pilates, and they would like to have a little bit more fun. And we just really break down and ditch perfection and get really excited about what Joe gave us and what the intentions were, and free you from thinking you need to have a million fucking cues all the time. And also really help you with your own personal practice. Help you with seeing, help you with patience in your teaching. And so if you go to lesleylogan.co/elevate, you can learn more about it if you do the same exact URL, but add waitlist to it. So lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist, you can get on the waitlist for the next one, because this upcoming what year are we in right now? So 2026, is next year is sold out. Sold out. You can reach out to us. You never know what might happen. But 2027 is where we're already we're actually already taking people, taking applications, selling spots. The reality is mentorship programs like this. I have friends who have one who are five years booked in the future. I'm not going out that far. I'm kind of a year in advance kind of person, but if you know you want it then you can plan ahead. So that's what I would say. 

Speaker 1 14:24  

Yeah, awesome. Well, stick around. We'll be, oh, actually. 

Lesley Logan 14:28  

Go to beitpod you want to send us questions. 

Brad Crowell 14:30  

Yeah, you have to join us for all these questions. Your participation is required, or we don't get to ask answer your questions. So 310-905-5534, hit us up or.

Lesley Logan 14:39  

And I want some fun questions. I want, I want relationship questions. I want family questions. I want career questions. I want some (inaudible) questions. 

Brad Crowell 14:50  

She wants some juicy questions.

Lesley Logan 14:51  

I want, I want, I want. I also want the gossip that comes with the questions. You could be anonymous. 

Speaker 1 14:58  

Go to beitpod.com/questions, where you can leave a win or a question. Thank you for that. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Amber Fuhrman. Amber Fuhriman is a recovering perfectionist and people pleaser and an attorney who now works as a coach, human behavior expert and podcaster. As a certified trainer of neuro linguistic programming or NLP, and host of the More Than Corporate Podcast. She blends her legal background with mindset and performance coaching to help high achievers push past limiting beliefs and perfectionism. And after years of believing success was about money and titles, Amber has redefined it as freedom choice and building a life that truly feels fulfilling. A lot of relation like a relatability here with her story and just.

Lesley Logan 15:43  

I know, another guest where it's like, oh, we're, like, just on the same we're on the same longitude, you know, just a different latitude. Like, she's doing something very similar, like it's, we're on the same longitude, but a different latitude, you know, like, like, Joe Allen was doing similar things with the orthodontist. And we do what we do for Pilates instructors and studio owners, and she does what she does for like, other professional it's just very cool. But also I love how our lives can bring a different lens to it, a different focus to what we do. And we I really appreciate her willingness and interest in like, we talk about people pleasing, and we talk about a bunch of stuff, but I just really got excited about talking about people pleasing because, like, how many of our listeners, how many people do we know that are doing things that are people pleasing? 

Brad Crowell 16:26  

Well, I thought her definition of it was, she said, people pleasing is when you consider other people's feelings before you consider your own. And I thought that was interesting, especially because, you know, and then y'all talked about how.

Lesley Logan 16:47  

Yeah, we talked about see, so, like, I also think that some people pleasers are it's just another form of control. By the way, you can also be you're controlling people's emotions as well, or the outcome of people's emotions. But we, she clarified that not people pleasing doesn't mean being an asshole. Just for the purpose of being an asshole, like it's about instead about being authentic and speaking your truth. So meaning, like a lot of people will go to dinner with a family member on Thursday to people please, rather than which is not authentic, by the way, because you don't want to be there. You're gonna be somewhere else. So you're actually that's kind of, I think you're more of an asshole if you're people pleasing because you're not being authentic. I think that's we should re define people pleasing as being an asshole, a non-authentic person.

Brad Crowell 17:28  

Not authentic person. 

Lesley Logan 17:30  

Yeah. So she advised, like, what you can do when you're not people pleasing is, like, were the actions that I took in alignment with who I want to be as a human So, meaning you decided to not people please. Someone had a reaction that was not something that you liked like all, that they're upset that you're not doing the thing for them. And so like, you get to ask yourself, were the actions that I took in alignment with who I want to be as a human being? If the answer is yes, then I will not apologize when I'm 100% in alignment with my actions. And you can understand that and accept me for I am, or you don't accept me and like, that is really hard for a lot of people, because, like, I'm gonna lose people. You guys were allowed to lose people in our life. We just are, and it's gonna happen. Like, it's impossible. It's impossible to keep everyone happy with you all of the time. There's just not, there's no way that is going to even be a possibility. And so if you are, if you are actually being authentic in alignment with how you feel and you speak that and someone doesn't like it, you are not in the wrong. They are also, by the way, there might not even be in the wrong.

Speaker 1 18:29  

I mean, look, you could be in the wrong, but if you are doing this to protect yourself or to stop people pleasing, this is when you have to ask yourself these questions. You know, were the actions I took in alignment with who I want to be as a human? If that's the case, then, then you can confidently move forward knowing that you weren't doing it to hurt them. You were doing it to uphold your own values, right? So if you were doing it to hurt them, then don't be an asshole. But if you're doing it to uphold your own values, that that's different.

Lesley Logan 19:00  

If you were doing it then hurt them. Sorry. You are being an asshole. But I just think that the more we can understand ourselves, the recovering people pleasers that we are, these are gonna be conversations you have to have with yourself. You're going to have to chit chat with yourself about like, okay, but give yourself pep talk. I want to be this person who speaks my heart, who shares how I feel, who's honest with how and will I will spend time with people, and that is going to upset some people who would like me to have more of me or have me at this thing. But I'm not in the wrong. I'm not an asshole. I'm being authentic and like, they will either come around or they won't. 

Speaker 1 19:35  

Yeah, I really liked when she was talking about the like, toxic positivity, like, fake it till you make it. Where she was talking about, she, basically, I just, she was so frustrated about the idea of it, and she, she was like, don't ever put me in a room with people who believe this, because she's gonna lose her shit.

Lesley Logan 19:59  

Yeah, I want to be in that room. Actually, is that terrible? I like, I would like her to, like, she's such a good person with words. I would love to and she's a lawyer, so she's so good at articulating. 

Speaker 1 20:11  

I mean she talked about, she talked about, you can't lie to yourself and convince you like you can, but there's dissidence that's happening when you're lying yourself in that way. And she said, the brain doesn't like distance between what is being said and what is truly believed. So, you know, she said, instead of doing that, instead of being like, I'm amazing, I'm beautiful in the mirror every morning, kind of a thing, she said, she advocates for affirmations that acknowledge the gap between who I think I am now and who I need to be in order to accomplish this. You know, I want to be this type of person. I will become this type of person, right? I am becoming this type of person, right? That's different than, you know, like.

Lesley Logan 20:49  

Like people do I am, I am rich. But if you're, like, barely able to pay your bills, like the brain is, that is not helpful. So I am becoming rich.

Brad Crowell 20:57  

Or I make decisions that are going to make me rich. 

Lesley Logan 21:00  

Yes, I make decisions that are making me rich. I am on my way to abundance. I am, you know? 

Speaker 1 21:05  

Yeah, I like that. And so it's, it's nuanced. It's nuanced here, you know, but I, but I actually appreciated that, and I thought, oh, that's a cool way to to adjust it, because sometimes it does feel fake, and that's annoying, and that's not, that's not. I have a hard time embracing that too, so I get that.

Lesley Logan 21:20  

Well, because scientifically, like in behavior science, like the brain, doesn't like dissonance, right? So, BJ Fogg, his sister, she was talking about how, you know, one of the habits, BJ likes to get people to start with from reading his book, it's like every day, get out of bed, you put your feet on the floor, like everybody does this. You can literally start a habit. Tomorrow morning, you put your feet on the floor. You say, today is going to be amazing. Or you can say, I'm amazing, but, like, usually he would say, today's me amazing day. And then you stand up and like, you like, so you want and like, it's a great first habits, a great way to start the day. And she, like, talked to us just like, yeah, so my husband died, and on the day of his funeral, I'm not going to put my feet on the floor. I go today is an amazing day. Because the brain isn't like dissonance, and that's gonna screw the habit up, right? Because it's gonna be like, oh, this is not real. So what she said is, today is going to be as good as it can be, right? And that's an honest thing. And so I think where she's.

Speaker 1 22:16  

And it's an affirmation, you know, like, still, is putting you on like, a path to see the good in the day. 

Lesley Logan 22:22  

Without it being toxic positivity. It's like, it's an and so I actually really appreciated that because we taught we have a lot of people talk about, like, affirmation and mantras. And hers is like, yeah, so have ones that are that are actually helping you be it till you see it, not that are lying to you about what you are. That's not gonna be helpful. She's just super cool. I mean, I listened before I was on her podcast, because I met her in person for the podcast. I listened to several of her episodes, and I was just like, I feel like I'm learning so much. 

Brad Crowell 22:48  

That's cool. Love it.

Lesley Logan 22:49  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you don't have to put her on faster speed, just gonna be really honest, you can put it on a regular speed, because I had it on 1.75 I was like, maybe we'll take that down a little bit. It's like listening to me.

Speaker 1 23:00  

That's hilarious. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those into those Be It Action Items

 that you have with Amber Fuhriman in just a minute. 

Brad Crowell 23:10  

All right, welcome back. So finally, what Be It Action Items, can we take away from your convo with Amber? Oh, I said that differently this time. For those of you who say it along with me, say it along with me. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Amber Fuhriman? She said, hey, when you are struggling with overthinking or in or you are struggling with intense emotions, this is really cool y'all. She said, create an SOS list, meaning the list of people that you are flashing the SOS sign to, right? And this list is just two or three trusted people who you can reach out to, and they can be your gauge for you, right, that they can help you when you know you're spiraling out, like if, if you know, for example, if you are like an overthinker and you can't put it into action, and you recognize I'm overthinking again. I'm not acting. I need you to actually just get started. You can text your SOS list, you know, but first ask them if that, you know, they're willing to be on it. But you can develop a specific, predetermined SOS phrase, like Amber said, I'm stuck at the airport, right? And for her, being stuck at the airport is like she's prepping, she's prepping, she's prepping, she's prepping, but she's never taken off. She's never taken off. She's always stuck at the airport. So she said, explain what the SOS phrase means to you, and clarify that if you send that message to your people on the SOS list, it really means I need somebody to check in on me right now. So for example, you know, I imagine it may change over time. You know, what does your SOS mean, right? Especially when Amber's partner died, I imagine it was a, you know, a different reason to be reaching out than now where she's, you know, it's been a couple of years, and she's moving on, and she's running a company and things like that. You know. So she said, it really will help you have somebody check in on you. Who, who you trust to understand like, I need help right now. So when you find yourself in those overwhelm moments, send an SOS to your list. And she said the decision to ask for help actually allows your brain to see solutions. Okay, even if they don't get back to you instantaneously, it will put you on a different path to see solutions, particularly helpful for recovering perfectionists who find it really hard to say, I actually need some help right now. So really cool idea. 

Lesley Logan 25:35  

Something has nothing to do with what we're talking about now, right now. But like my brain went to this person, somebody in China, bought a first class ticket to some Chinese airline, which means that you get to eat in the first class lounge before you take off. And because it's a first class ticket, it's like fully refundable and transferable. So for 300 times, 300 meals, this person would check into the airport, check into the first class lounge, eat for free, and then reschedule their ticket. And they did this 300 times before anyone's like, what is this person doing? So talk about being stuck at the airport, and I just thought, is the food that good? Because the actual like going to an airport, getting into a first class lounge is so annoying.

Speaker 1 26:27  

Even the food at the Centurion lounge, it's good, but I wouldn't say it's great. 

Lesley Logan 26:31  

And also, not all Centurion lounges are created equal. I like ours, but the L.A. one, you can get it together as can you JFK, just saying, Okay, my big, back on track. 

Brad Crowell 26:41  

Yeah, how about you over here? 

Lesley Logan 26:43  

Recognize you have complete control over your daily decisions. You've complete control your daily decisions. I think we like to outsource decisions like I can't do that because x, y and z, but you have complete control over your daily decisions. And if you're unhappy, you have to dig into the decisions you're making to create that situation. Are you saying yes to things you should be saying no to? Are you staying up late the night before so you feel like shit in the morning, right? So understand that avoiding a decision is still a decision. Oh, avoiding a decision is still a decision, and make different choices to change your outcomes. She also said.

Speaker 1 27:22  

I think that's been the biggest thing that has changed my stress level is that I would avoid making a decision, but in the back of my mind, it was still I knew I had to address this thing, whatever this thing would be. It didn't matter what it was like, I might like just be unwilling to open a text message from somebody because I knew it was going to launch a whole thing. I got to go down this thing and then I would push it off, and then, you know, or it's like email inbox kind of stuff, too, like, avoid it, avoid it until it's like an actual problem. Yeah, and that was one of the biggest changes, was making the decision to stop avoiding things and to just hug a cactus, as it were. But I love that. I think, I think acknowledging that avoiding a decision is actually still a decision that was super helpful for me.

Lesley Logan 28:08  

And she said, consider her 90 Day Success Jumpstart Training or join her free Break Your Bullshit Box community. So I and that's on Facebook, if you, if you go there, I mean honest on I went on Facebook the other day, and I was like, oh, wow, look at all these people I can unfollow. Thank you for acknowledging yourself, sir and sir and you so anyways. But I just thought this is such a bright, wonderful, honest and maybe a little maybe you feel called out, maybe you feel called out, and maybe you need to, because you got to break your bullshit. You know. And I just think a lot of us the what's getting in the way of being it till we see it is people pleasing and telling ourselves that we don't have control over certain things, some things you do, and we just gotta be honest about that. So, share this with a friend who needs to hear it, especially the people pleasing one, because those people can bother your life too. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 28:56  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 28:58  

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Speaker 1 29:40  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

 

Lesley Logan 29:45  

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Speaker 1 29:50  

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Lesley Logan 29:57  

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Speaker 1 30:00  

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