In this Habits Series episode, Lesley breaks down what it truly takes to unravel a habit that no longer fits the life you want. She explains how prompts quietly drive your behaviors, why simply removing them often backfires, and how thoughtful replacements can make change feel easier and more sustainable. Through real examples and gentle mindset shifts, you’ll learn how to spot the trigger behind an unwanted habit and create a version of the routine that actually supports who you’re becoming.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why there's no such thing as a "bad habit," only habits that stopped serving you.
• How to identify the specific "prompt" that starts a habit you dislike.
• Why removing a habit creates a "vacuum" that makes you want to do it more.
• A powerful technique you can do for managing unavoidable prompts.
• Why using shame and judgment will not help you unravel a habit you don't want.

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• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/cW2pFic
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• Episode 613: Habits Special 1 of 8 - https://beitpod.com/ep613

 

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

We have to just actually go, okay, hold on. How often is this happening? What is the prompt that's happening here? And how do I remove the prompt? Right? How do I evolve, change the scenario or change the setting? 

Lesley Logan 0:12  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:52  

Hi, Be It babe. We're here to talk about how to break a bad habit. Oh, actually, strike that. Reverse it. It is how to unravel a habit we no longer want. Specific like specificity in words matters. And when I studied habits, and I was studying and reading BJ's book, Tiny Habits, and then doing his program, it was so cool to hear that there's no such thing as a bad habit. All right, there's no such thing as a bad habit. There's only habits that no longer serve us, but at some point they did. 

Lesley Logan 1:25  

If you are new to the podcast, hello, I'm Lesley Logan, and we are in the middle of a habits series. And so normally, with our episodes, I'm like, listen to whatever you want. Go back and forth. When we're in the series, I might, I would suggest you go to the first episode on Habits. Um, it's several episodes back. We're almost, we're halfway through, basically, the Habits series. And this is a series I want you to be able to come back to whenever you want to add in a new habit. So you definitely want to check in with number one, so we can get here. But it this episode itself might be something you will listen to over and over again, because you might come across habits that no longer serve you. And the reason I say that is, at some point, a habit, something became a habit because it was serving you at the time, and then it kind of got out of hand, right? Maybe eating lunch at your desk like was something you had to do because you were in a busy work week, and then it just became something you always did. And you are now feeling quite lonely, because you're not going out and having lunch with friends, because you have this habit of eating lunch at your desk. So there's nothing wrong with eating lunch at your desk, right? There's actually, there's like at its at its just surface level. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's no longer serving you, and then you have to break this habit, right? And so that would be really weird, because how do you break up with lunch? When you need to eat you need to eat. So the truth is, is that there's the way, the reason that BJ Fogg talked about unraveling a habit that no longer works is that there was a series of events that got you to the habit that you have, and there's a prompt that goes off that causes you to do the thing that you no longer want to do. It's not a bell, but you can think of it like a bell. There's a prompt that happens. So for example, if every time your boss calls, you bite your nails, the prompt to biting your nails started with your boss, it's your boss calling, right? Now, we can't stop your boss from calling, but knowing what the prompt is allows us to kind of understand, like, what can we do? So if you're looking at your life and they're looking at the things that you're like, oh, I wish I could change. I wish I didn't, like, have a second with my clients. And she was like, yeah, I find myself munching after dinner even though I'm not hungry. And so, by the way, there's like, again, there's nothing wrong with munching after dinner, but she no longer wants to munch up, and it's affecting her sleep. It's affecting the goals that she has, the energy she has in the morning, it's no longer working for her. So I told her, I said, well, we have to review, like, what is the prompt to grabbing the extra snacks? Like, is there a phone call? Is there a text? Is there a show you watch? Where are, where, where are you having the extra snacks, like, what's going on that this, that this prompt started? So she just sort of evaluate, like, what was her mind going through? And she realized it's kind of when she, like, is just scrolling on social with the TV going that she wants to munch, right? So she's actually just not really even being present. And so once you know, kind of, like the promptness at the situation that we can actually make decisions on what we're going to do to unravel this. In my example of the boss calls you bite your nails, we can't actually stop the boss from calling, most likely. So that prompt isn't something we can remove, but if the prompt is something you could remove, right, then you would just remove the prompt. Like, where you try to remove the prompt, right? So if, like, oh, you know, like the, everytime I watch this TV show, then I, then I sit and have a bag of chips. We could just remove the, in theory, remove the chips or the TV show. The problem with some of the removals of prompts is it, it creates a suction, a vacuum, right? That makes you want to do it more. 

Lesley Logan 4:57  

In BJ's book, he talked about this woman who want didn't want to eat at her like, like, she was just munching at her desk. And so it's like, munching, like, candy or whatever at her desk. And so, of course, people be like, well, just don't buy the candy. Okay, so she didn't, and then she found herself wanting something to do at her desk, because she's had this habit of, like, having these M&M's at her desk. So she ended up going to the vending machine and getting, like, a couple candy bars, which was more than the couple of M&M's that she ate at her desk. And so that's that's what I'm saying when, like, you just take the thing away, it creates a vacuum that's actually a bit more powerful because your brain is thinking about it. So, so what ended up working for this person was actually to buy carrots and celery and other things that are like would you can deem a little bit more healthier as snacks at her desk. So she still snacks at her desk. We can't remove that she's at her desk. We can't remove that she's at work. We can't remove the stress at work. So we're just swapping out the habit for something else that she feels would serve her better, those those things, that those foods, that would give her more energy. 

Lesley Logan 6:00  

So in your life, what are some habits you want to unravel? I mentioned in the first episode, like, I do play a video game, and I probably play a little more than I that I need to, and it's affecting my ability to read more, right? And I'm also wanting to start. I've been wanting to I've been studying tarot. I like to call it tarot, because my friend called it tarot, tarot, right? And so I've got this study book that I've got, and I've been playing with different apps that you can use to study tarot, because clearly, like, I'm with my phone, the reason the prompt is I'm in line usually, or sitting in the car, we're in traffic or and Brad's on a call. Like, there's I'm bored, right? I'm bored, and my phone is a thing that I have. I'm in a doctor's office waiting to be called. Like, yes, I could bring up a book around with me everywhere, but I actually don't carry a purse that often. So, so what if I don't want to play the video game anymore? I could swap it for one of these apps that helps me study tarot, right? So that's a case of like, okay, here's a habit I don't like about myself, and I when do I do it? Okay, this is when I do it. So the prompt is usually boredom. So let's replace it with something we do want to do, and then make that the new habit. Now, going back to Episode One, how do we make things a habit. We have to celebrate that we like doing it, that we're doing it. We have to acknowledge when we're doing it. right, all that kind of stuff. So whenever you were replacing something, it doesn't just become the new habit. You do have to go through the steps that we talked about in the first three episodes on the series, but you replace it with the habit you no longer want with something else. 

Lesley Logan 7:38  

If you are in an instance where you can unravel the habit, right? You can really figure out, like, what the prompt is, oh, the prompt is, you know, I get, like, let's get an example of a prompt you can control. After I get home from work, I sit down on the couch and I veg out. So the prompt is that you get home from work and you sit down, right? So we can unravel that by, well, what if you actually went somewhere else before you got home, right? What if you just didn't go straight home? Oh, you have to go straight home because you've got kiddos. Okay. Then what can you do with your kiddo that could replace the opportunity to sit down on the couch? So we just need to get keep you from the couch with using another habit. We got to change the prompt. Is this making sense? So it is complicated. Some people's habits are really difficult. They have immersed themselves in their lives. We're talking like smoking or drinking, maybe negative self-talk, right? You want to unravel negative self-talk, you have to first notice what the prompt is, what goes off in your day that becomes the thing that goes ding? I've talked badly about myself right now, right? Like, that's hard. We have to those ones that are a little bit more omnipresent. They kind of come with us on a lot of different places. We have to just actually go, okay, hold on. How often is happening? What is the prompt that's happening here, and how do I remove the prompt? Right? How do I evolve, change the scenario or change the setting? 

Lesley Logan 9:11  

In the first three episodes, I talked about, when you make a habit like, you also want to make sure that, like, where the habit is happening, your day is like, in the same place, like, if you want to actually be working out, but you are at work. Like, the habits not going to necessarily work, right? If you want to clean the kitchen, but you're, you're, you're usually in the garage at that time, it's going to be really hard for you to, like, get to the kitchen. I know that sounds like crazy. Some kitchen, the garages are next to each other, but, like, there, you'd be surprised, the effort that feels like a lot. So in all these cases, just taking in the time to go, what is starting the domino to the habit that no longer serves me? And then where is the scenario happening? Is it a location? Can I avoid that location? Yes, we can block and bless people who like are mean to us. And then that causes things like, maybe you're, you got someone in your family that whenever they call, you're just so stressed out afterwards, and so you're like, oh, I need a drink. And so, like, that's the prompt. But the reality is is like many of us are not gonna not talk to our family members, many of us are actually gonna take the call. So what do you do if you have that? Well, there was this really cool instance where BJ talked about this woman who was avoiding talk taking calls with her soon to be ex-husband, was making the divorce drag on. And she was doing that because every time talk to him, would stress her out, so she wouldn't talk to him. And then, of course, like they're not divorced, right? So basically, she made a new decision. She said, okay, every time I get on the phone with him to talk about these things I'm going to immediately book myself something that I want to do. So then she actually looked forward to every time he called, because it's like, okay, I took this call. I get to go book buy myself movie tickets that movie I wanted to see. Oh, I get to get my nails done. Oh, I get to book that massage. Like she just started rewarding herself with things that she wanted to do. It made the phone calls so much easier to get through, because she knew as soon as she got off she was doing something fun for herself. It made the divorce happen sooner. So if you can't avoid certain prompts that cause certain stresses or negative self-talk or or feelings you no longer want to have, what can we change that we do in the after part and make that the habit, and then take that, go back to Episode One and run through the process. Every time there's a habit you want to create, we have to go back to Episode One and run through the process, because we might think we know what's going to work. But then when you actually sit down and you look at like, okay, is that easy or hard to do? Is it easy for me to book myself a facial? Yeah, right? Or like, or do I want to? Yes. Can I afford to? Ooh, maybe that makes it harder. So maybe that's not the thing. Every time I talk to my brother who's stressing me out, I'm gonna book myself a facial. That might not be an option, but maybe you always get to go on a hike, right? Or maybe you get to, maybe you get to, you know, go read a book. Or maybe you call, maybe you have, like, some music that you play. This house, whenever we have a big work thing going on that causes a little anxiety, a little nervousness, a little like, oh, I don't know if this is gonna work. I don't know what to do. We actually have a YouTube video that we play, and we play it and it just her voice, calms my nerves, right, her her message, like, lifts my spirits. And by the end, I'm like, I'm ready to do it. I'm ready to do the thing. And so I would just say, like, this part of the habits building does take some self-awareness, huge self-awareness, but also it requires us to explore, like, what is it that we really want? And and it also requires us to to really be honest and take a 30,000 foot view of the things we no longer want. It's so easy to beat ourselves up for the habits you don't like about yourself, reading your email at night, right? If that's a habit that you have, you no longer want Sure. We could just say, don't look at your phone at night. Okay, but then what are you going to do? Because it creates a vacuum. So what are the what is the prompt that makes you open your phone? Can we remove that prompt? Okay, no, we have to have the phone because, like, you have a partner who works late, okay, oan we remove email from your phone? Can we set up apps that allow, that work, that don't allow you to open up your email on your phone after a certain hour? Okay, great. All these things are great ideas, but then, because this is a habit, and because it's going to be plaguing your brain to check that email and you're just going to go to your computer to check it, what can you do instead? How can we replace it so we don't have this void that causes a lot of pull like a magnetized pool? What do you want to do instead? If you aren't checking email at night, what are you doing? So something that I replace, like checking my phone at night with, is actually, one, I take a nice, long shower with, Epsom salt scrub, not a bath, an Epsom salt scrub. Oh my God, I love it. That's one of the really wonderful episodes we did with Rachel Varga. And then, two, I put my red light masks on. I have to lay in my bed with my clean face, my clean chest. I have to lay in my bed for 10 minutes so I can't I can't check my emails. I can't read them. I'm laying in my bed with my red lights on. And then by the time that's over, I'm so tired, it's enough just to get the last moisturizer thing on my face before I fall asleep. Right? So if you have things you want to remove from your life, it is a weave. It's a web that's been woven. So what were the strands that got you to where you are? How do we take those things? How do we untangle this mess? And then what are we gonna place it with that you want to do? Go back through episode one through three, and then you can come back here and work on the next one. These things can take time, so be kind to yourself. Remember celebrations do matter. Shame and judgment do not create habits, nor will they help you unravel a habit.

Lesley Logan 15:01  

All right. So in our next episode, we are going to talk about just some things to like consider when it comes to making a habit, because I think it's really easy for perfectionism to get in the way. So we're talking about that. And then we'll also go into Episode Six will just be a bit more about how habits can help you be it till you see it. I mean, after all, that's what this podcast is about. 

Lesley Logan 15:19  

If this was helpful. If the series has been helpful, I would it would mean the world to me. If you would send it to a friend. It really the this podcast, the growth of this podcast, it really matters, one, for us to keep doing it. And two, if we want bigger guests, like some of you, have sent me some amazing guests, and I'm like, oh my God, I love that. You think I'm that huge. We definitely have to be huge. So we're getting there. We are getting there so mighty. And it means the world to me that you're listening. And I can't wait to keep growing with you. I can't wait to be it until we see it with you. I can't wait to how you use these habits in your life. So share this with friend as we continue to grow and then the whole world is being it until they see it. 

Lesley Logan 15:57  

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In this third Habits Series episode, Lesley gets honest about the messy middle of change and why breaking out of the all-or-nothing trap starts with tiny, testable habits. She explains how experimenting with prompts reveals what actually works, why celebration matters, and how your feelings toward a habit determine whether it sticks. Lesley also shares why you must expand a habit before stacking a new one on top. Listen in and choose one small habit to shrink, test, and celebrate this week.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why all-or-nothing mindsets make habits harder to keep consistently.
• How experimenting reveals when habits genuinely work best in your life.
• How tiny habits help you test motivation, timing, and personal preference.
• The importance of celebrating attempts because how you feel truly matters.
• Why expanding a habit fully prepares you for stacking without overwhelm.

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• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/cW2pFic
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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

Once you have this ability to make habits at the drop of a hat, because that's what's going to happen, right? When you celebrate, when you make it small, it starts to become a habit. It's really easy to add more in, but before you do that, we have to make sure we've expanded out what we've done. 

Lesley Logan 0:14  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:53  

All right, Be It babe. Welcome back to the Be It Pod Habits Series. This is a series we wanted you to have, because every time you pick up habits, if you don't know how to make a habit stick, then it's gonna be really frustrating to keep hearing about, like advice, about like, different things you could be doing, or maybe you're hearing it, be it action item. You're like, oh, I want to add that in. And you're like, and then you try, and it sucks and you don't get to do it, and then you feel like a failure, and that's not gonna help you be it till you till you see it. So if this is the first time you're listening to the Be It Pod, hi, I'm Lesley Logan. I am a habits mindset Pilates instructor and business coach, and I want you to listen to the first episode in the Habits Series. So go back to last week's episode. This is episode three, so make sure you go to the first one, all right. If you've been listening to it, then you have been practicing. So like me, you've been practicing your tiny version of the habit you're trying out. We're in experimentation mode, okay. All or nothing mindsets do not work. They don't work. Being a perfectionist doesn't work. You've got to try this in an experimentation mode. In your experimentation mode, maybe you've discovered, like, I was trying to read my book after I sat down for breakfast, I'm gonna pick up my book, right? But maybe you discovered that, like, where you put something, it didn't work. You got to try it for a different time slot. I'll give you an example of a habit I was trying to do. So we have these white counters. They're super beautiful. Like, they look really good, and mag like photos, it's like, so clean. Anytime you do anything in the kitchen, the countertops somehow already look dirty, like they just look like you're like, what the heck? I just walked in here, and now there's dirt. So of course, you make coffee every morning, and of course, once you make coffee, like, even as careful as you are, there's like, somehow grounds everywhere, and it would drive me crazy, because I wanted to have clean countertops. I'm not a, I'm not a, I'm not a, I'm a messy person, not a dirty person. So I don't like the way the coffee grounds were on the counter, but I was struggling to figure out, how do I just wipe down the countertops throughout the day so that they're clean, right? And so I thought, when I was practicing this that, oh, the best habit is, like, after I make my coffee, I'll wipe down the counters. We talked about how specific like prompts don't work. It has to be after something you already do. I always make my coffee. I never miss making my coffee. So after I make my coffee, I'm gonna wipe down the counters. Make the coffee. Put it down. Wipe it down. I visualize this. I thought it had all mapped out. I mean, how hard is it? Oh my gosh, you guys, I struggled so hard two two days in a row of trying this experiment out, that didn't work. So then I tried to make it smaller, okay, well, after I make my coffee, I'll grab the towel. I'm just gonna grab it, I'm just gonna put my hand on it. And that didn't work. And I was like, oh, what is going on? And then I was like, you know, thinking about it, and I was like, well, the motivation at the moment might be in conflict. After I make the coffee, I want the coffee so I don't necessarily want to sit down and clean something. So I changed the experiment to after I put my coffee mug in the sink, I'll wipe down the counter, right? Because now I'm putting the coffee down, I'm in a cleaning mode. I could just, like, wipe down the counter. I'm in the same place that the habit needs to be. And that's another thing. When you're doing the experiment, if you said you wanted to go for a run, but where I before, like, after you do your last email before lunch, you're gonna go for a run, but where you work isn't a place you like to run, or it's not safe to run, or it's you actually need to take the shower, or whatever, like, if there's something in conflict, we have to change the time of when we're trying to do something. And so in your experimentation, you're not just experimenting with the habits that you're testing out. You're experimenting with the size, and you're experimenting with where it goes. So to recap, remember, we talked about like, maybe the habit is to read every day for 20 minutes, but I have to first start with picking the book up. Maybe your habit is running, but you have to first start by putting the shoes on. Right? If you're not used to putting the shoes on, then now, if you're already walking every day, okay, maybe you are going to run block, and if that's too much, you're going to run to the next house, right? How can we make it as small as possible, as tiny as possible, for this to be helpful for you, for this to actually be successful for you, for you also to discover if you like it, right? Like, do you even like this habit? Like, I say I want to read a physical book, but maybe after all, experimenting that I do, I'm like, I actually just like to listen to them, You know what? Right now in my life, I like to listen to them. That's fine, right? So I want you to be thinking, okay, how small can I make it? Am I doing it the right time? Is it after the right thing? So for example, another one would be like, o h, after I get home from work, I'm going to do my Pilates. But after you get home from work might not be specific enough, because maybe you have to put your bag down, then you have to go change your clothes, then you have to, like, let the dog out. So maybe you actually said it would be after work, but it wasn't specific enough. And we actually need to get more specific with when something is happening, and the more specific you can be, right after I sit down at my desk, I will make those sales calls, after I sit down at my desk, I will meditate for five minutes, after I sit down, after I park my car, I will meditate for five minutes, after I brush my teeth, I'll put my phone away. You see how it's like, how specific can we get so that it's not vague after I get home from work, because there's a lot that can go on, and then there's different motivations that happen. We also talked about celebration, right? If you are not celebrating doing the thing you said you're going to do or thinking about doing it, it makes it very difficult for these habits to stick, because then you're having to operate off of the idea that you need 21 days or 70 days. So an example of why we have to celebrate. We all remember, during the pandemic, depending where you lived, we all had to wear masks to go to the grocery store, right? And then there was that day when we all got the permission we don't need to wear the mask. Hallelujah, right? Don't use the mask. Then, oh crap, you got to wear a mask again. How many times you remember the mask? But you wore it every day for three weeks, for a month, if to me, where you lived, we were in California. We wore those masks for months, right? Soon as you had one day, you have to wear it. What happened a week later when you had to, forgot it? Why? Because your brain hated it. You hated wearing the masks, so your brain despised it. So as soon as you didn't have to remember anymore, you didn't remember it anymore. That's why how you feel about something matters. If you don't like something that you're doing, let's not make a habit around it, right? This is your life. You get to live one of them that we know of, so we may as well enjoy it. We want our life to be a series of habits that we enjoy doing that serve us, right? So that is how, that's experimentation. 

Lesley Logan 7:53  

Now let's say you slayed this. It's going really, really well, and you're like Lesley, I have three other habits I wanted to work on, I want to add into I want to do. So that's where the idea of habit stacking comes from with James Clear. BJ doesn't call it that, but yes, every habit is just a prompt to the next habit, okay. So if you are ready to add another one in, you go back to the beginning. What are all the things that you could do? How easy or hard is it to do? How can I make it as tiny as possible? And then where? What is it coming after? How am I doing this my life? And then we experiment with it. So I would not. I don't recommend practicing one more than one new habit at time when you're new at this. Once you're new, you could practice like, two, maybe three different things, doing physical habits, like, habits that are not, how to explain this, emotional habits you don't like about yourself are really hard. Okay, so that's more advanced. So I wouldn't try adding those in or practicing those until we get really good at like, the more tangible habits, like the workouts you want to do, or the acts or services that you want, the space you need in your calendar, that kind of stuff is a little easier. Things that have to do with emotions, for example, I want to stop talking negatively about myself. Well, that's going to require us to be aware first of when we are starting to talk negatively about ourselves. So I would recommend saving those for when you get a little more advanced. But when you want to add a new habit in, you add one at a time, and you make it as small as possible, okay? And if you thought you made it smaller and you didn't, that didn't work, make it even smaller. Okay? If you really want to do it, make it even smaller. I think it's easy for us overachievers and perfectionists, when we start to hear how easy it is to make a habit, we start to go gung ho on all the different habits we want. I promised you that we would do an episode on how to unravel a habit, and I'll make sure that we actually do get into that in the next episode. So if that's what you want, right into the next episode. 

Lesley Logan 9:58  

But I do want to say, this might be the time as you're trying to create space and prompts for the habits you want, you might be noticing the habits that you don't like. And so all I should do right now is just notice them, take note, because in the next episode, we'll dive into that. But when you are I can't, I find myself, like, wanting to come into your home right now and like, whole like, see what you're doing as far as habits you want to add. Because what I don't want is you try to add a bunch of new things at the same time. So for example, if I actually were to tell you all the little habits that I have that I've created for myself, it might overwhelm you. But some people, it actually makes them go after all that. So I do shake plate, I do run, I do do Pilates. I do have red light masks my face and my neck. I do have a pimp mat. I do have a sauna blanket. These are all like, crazy. I'm gonna sound like I have, like, too many things, and I'm like, but these are all things that make me feel good, right? I bought one at a time, and I made sure I had a habit around it before I bought it. So have you ever, like, bought, like, oh, I bought a gua sha, right, two years ago, gua sha, but I didn't actually plan it accordingly to add it into my busy life. So I've actually struggled tremendously on like, when am I going to gua sha? What is the prompt? What is the thing that I do so that I can gua sha. I have moved the gua sha from the bathroom to the extra bathroom, from the extra bathroom to the shower, from the shower to like, let's move different places. I moved it to my bed. I put the oil in my bed. Like, I've tried all these different things. And I really asked myself, like, do I want this habit? Is this making sense? So before you buy any of the things about a habit you want to have, it's really important for you to explore like, where do I think this could be, and what part of this habit can I practice? How small can I make it before I make this purchase? So I don't buy things that I'm not going to use, so I don't put pressure on myself, because what happens is we have the sunk cost fallacy. We're like, oh my gosh, I spent all this money on this thing. I've got to do it. And then we have stress and shame around that thing. And so then, what does our brain do? Not do it. It doesn't do it right, because it's not even thinking about it. So I would really try to find, like, the things that you're wanting to add into your life, if you are wanting to add in more Pilates, like, how can we make rolling out the Pilates mat or putting out the Pilates clothes? How can we make a habit around something tiny before you invest in the Reformer or the studio membership, things like that? So, I, my team and I talk about, like, stack it like you mean it. It's once you have this ability to make habits at the drop of a hat, because that's what's going to happen, right? When you celebrate, when you make it small, it starts to become a habit, like a dropof a hat. It's really easy to add more in, but before you do that, we have to make sure we've expanded out what we've done. So remember, with my example from the last couple episodes, I want to read more. So after I sit down at breakfast, I pick up the book. So far I've picking up the book. I haven't read the book. I haven't fulfilled the eventual habit, which is, like, I'm going to read this book. This book is going to be coming. I actually read so before I stack another habit, like after I pick up the book, I go, I go to, you know? I go, do I shake plate. I have to, actually, once it gets easier for me to just grab that book without thinking about, with having to remember it, then I can read the book, right? I can read a page. And so maybe the next habit is like, okay, after I sit down for breakfast, I read one page of my book, and when that becomes easier, and I start to realize, oh, I average at five pages, then it could be like, okay, I read for all the entire time having breakfast. Once that becomes easier, then I can stack something else after that book, but I cannot stack anything on top of the book until that habit is set and it's only going to get and it and it's at the place that I want it. So I have to, like, expand it as much as I wanted, because once I stack them on top of it, I have hamstrung the book reading. Right? I can only read the book as long as nothing is coming after it. That could shorten how long I read the book. That makes sense? If you were wanting to run a mile every day, and you're like, okay, after I take off my running shoes, I then stretch for 10 minutes, but you have a time concern when you have to actually get done with your stretching, if you haven't really expanded the running to what you want it to be, putting that next habit on top of it, one, it could it could fail the moment you skip a run. Two, you might not get to a full mile by the time you have to start stretching, and then that's going to affect your ability to feel good about what you're doing. We'll have stress and shame around it. We'll have guilt, we'll have judgment. We won't do it, right? So emotions really do matter. So I want you to understand, like, how do I expand? When am I ready to expand the habit, should feel really natural. And then once that happens, then I can stack on top of it. Until then, I can only stack on things that are already secure and already doing well. And if I stack on them, I have to, one, make sure that I've experimented on the size of the habit that I'm stacking the emotional celebration afterwards that I'm doing before I add another one. So no one is adding, no one is adding more than a couple habits at a time, experimentations at a time. Ideally, you start with one at a time, until you get good at it, then you can do two. I think the max, I would say it would be like three in a week. 

Lesley Logan 15:39  

Your homework is to review that. Notice the habits you're wanting to unravel, because that's gonna be the next episode. And I guess I want to just say, like, notice if there's habits that you're like but Lesley, I really want to change these things about myself. They're a little bit more esoteric, a little bit more in the brain, like we're talking about, like, negative self-talk. Also, just write those down, because we'll talk about those kinds of things in the next episode as well. But they are just a bit more advanced, because you have to actually be able to catch yourself like, oh, there was a negative, negative self-talk moment, and then we can have a habit that we do instead. So those are just some things we'll talk more about that soon. It's going to fit better with the unraveling of a habit, because, again, things that no longer serve us are just habits that we used to think did, and they're doing something in our brain that makes us keep it around, and we have to figure out what's prompting that, what's starting that. How is that? How can we, what control do we have around that? There's so many different things we can talk about. So anyways, this is about, hopefully, that gave you some ideas on how to habit stack, how to make something tiny be more closer to the habit that you want. And most importantly, it takes time becoming like, being it until you see it just takes time. Having habits that you actually want to have in a life you want to have. It's not a light switch, it's it's more like this really fun little heartbeat graph as we practice, and we figure it out, and, oh, we it's the wrong place in the day practice and then it becomes something that actually is sustainable and feels good, and you don't even have to think about it. And all of a sudden, you're like, oh, I read every morning. And people like, when do you do this? How do you do this? And you're like, I just do it right? That's what we want. That's how good a good habit can become. It's something you don't even have to think about. You don't have to think about. You don't have to celebrate anymore, because you just do it. And that is a question I get a lot like, when do I get to stop celebrating when your habit is at the length of time or the intention that you want, and you don't have to you don't have to remind yourself you just picked up the book, you got lost reading. You just put your phone away and you went and you had two hours before bed, three hours before bed without screen time, like when it just becomes so natural, that's when you get to stop celebrating, because it's now a habit and you can add something on top of it. So not stacking habits until you have habits in place, is one of the best ways to having a schedule that really doesn't feel overwhelming, to having a life, to having a life that actually does lead you to where you want to grow. Thank you so much. You guys are so so amazing. How are these working for you? How is the series working for you? I want to know. What habits are you working on? What habit, what wins are you having, I want to celebrate that on our on our FYF episode. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 18:18  

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Brad Crowell 19:00  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 19:05  

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Lesley Logan 19:17  

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Brad Crowell 19:20  

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In this quick FYF, Lesley shares a quirky “wrong party” idea from Priya Parker that’s inspiring her next birthday and highlights community wins—from book-writing commitments to double-class teaching to flying abroad to meet a mentor. She also reflects on her own win of saying yes to a friend’s idea and letting it grow into a shared adventure worth celebrating.

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• How letting ideas expand can create once-in-a-lifetime experiences.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Lesley Logan 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hi, Be It babe. Happy December 12th. Oh my God, if you, if you're listening to this, what you didn't hear is when I started this episode, and I was so proud of my intro, it was so amazing, and I hadn't hit record on the podcast now, so, you know, super fun. We're just taking messy action around here. We are just rolling with it. And I have so many things I'm like, it's like, which win to share? Because got some wins for you. So, but first. we have to do something that inspired me. Hopefully it inspires you. Then some of your wins you've sent in, then a one of mine, then your affirmation. That's the way. That's the episode. It's quick, it's dirty, if you like something longer, like the sound of my voice, I don't know, sometimes I wonder if I feel like I have a sinus infection all the time. Then you can listen to the interview episodes. I hope you do. They're really amazing. And then you can listen to recaps. Also, this month, we're running an entirely different series. We're running the Habit series. I'm really, really excited about it, and I hope that it helps you. So, all right, the thing that inspired me. This I think I'm gonna do okay. So if in January you see me do this and share about my birthday, it's because I did this. And if it inspires you, I would love you to tag me in this. So the, Priya Parker, who has a great book about, like, entertaining and parties, and it's just an incredible book. I've read it many, many times, and I might even listen to it again while we're on this tour, because it's just really, it's like the art of gathering, right? And I'm really big in community, and there's just so many great things about it. But she shares different weird ways that people get together, and this so this invite is called, you got an invite for the wrong party, so you come dressed for the wrong party, meaning you come dressed in a Halloween costume, but it's a birthday party, you come dressed up like it's a funeral, but it's a birthday party, you come dressed up like winning an award or in your wedding dress. I might do that for my birthday. I might wear my own my wedding dress, and then someone could wear that. How fun is this? So I'm kind of obsessed about this, because with all of our tours that we've had, it's been really hard for me to, like, have a birthday party the last couple of years. We just had a lot going on. Just haven't wanted to do it. But now with this, this invite going out, I mean, like, I might do outfit changes, you guys, I'm not even kidding. So if you want to see the video of this, because the visual makes it just, like, even that more amazing, definitely check the show notes. But seriously, if you do this, I want to know, copy me, but this, it's like a choose your own adventure party, like, on on steroids, like just, I don't even, I don't even know how to pick which outfit to wear to the wrong birthday party, but that's what I'm going to do. 

Lesley Logan 3:13  

All right. Your wins. So you guys can send these into the Be It Pod under beitpod.question, beitpod.com/questions wow my brain went faster than my mouth. So send it in. You can send your questions. We answer those on the recap episodes. Of course, these wins. Here we go. Ready? @meganjoypilates, I signed up for a book writing program. That's amazing. Do you I freaking love that, Megan, that you are celebrating that with us, because, like I love that you're celebrating that you signed up for something I love that you're not waiting till you wrote the book. Thank you so much for celebrating this one with us, because that makes it more fun to celebrate like the things that we were like I thought about doing that thing that is a win, right? Okay, @creative_soul_pilates, I was able to cover Pilates classes for a friend. I taught mine and hers so she could have a break without worrying. Her clients love her, and I was able to give them a great class too. That's so cool. What a win. I love that you didn't have imposter syndrome. I love that you showed up, you did it for a friend, and you got something. You had a win out of it. Way to go, babe. And then, @purapilates_yasmin, going out of my comfort zone to travel alone to the UK and meet my amazing mentor, Yasmeen, that was so fun. What a win that was, first of all, like you did, travel to a different country, we got to meet, we got to hang out, but you also stayed with a stranger. It's not a stranger anymore, but just like so many out of the comfort zone things, and it's just, I love that you're celebrating getting outside of your comfort zone. We need to do that more. Who wants to send in their win of them getting out of their comfort zone? Okay, so thank you for sending your wins in. Those are so fun. Send them in. They can be long. They can be short. They don't have to be like, oh my God, I have my biggest launch ever. Like, that's cool, especially if you hit a goal. We rarely hit our goals around here, and I still believe this year is super successful. So a win of mine. Well, I shared with you a win earlier this year where I took a four day weekend before a crazy travel time so I could have time off, and I was really proud of the work that we did so they could have that win, which is having four days with my friend, and while she was here, we were playing our next adventure together. And my win is hearing an idea of what we could do together, and then, like, doing something from episode one, like, literal Episode One, how does it get better than this? How does it get better than this? And so I can't wait to share what this is with you when it comes to fruition. We haven't picked our dates yet. There's a couple things that are we're waiting for, like, essentially, a Pilates piece of equipment has to get released. So I can get that Pilates piece of equipment in my house. Once it's in my house, then I can sell the Pilates equipment that I this is a duplicate of to my friend, and then my friend and I are going to this amazing like Thelma and Louise without the driving-off-the-cliff-part adventure. So I will celebrate many wins with you as I plan that trip. But I just want like, I will say, like, sometimes I'll hear ideas that require a lot more of my time, and my instant fear, like my instant feeling is, how am I going to do that? Do have time to do that? Like, that's my I instant fear, my instant thought. But instead, when, when she mentioned this, I but she mentioned she wanted this piece of equipment, and she's like, how are we going to get it? And then I was like, Well, you guys could road trip. And it was like, well, we could road trip. I'm kind of telling you the thing. And then I was like, oh, and we could do this. And then she's like, well, you could do this. I'm like, how does it get better? We could do this, and we could and all of a sudden it became this incredible adventure. And I didn't let my worry of like, how am I gonna make this happen stop me from just letting it be as big as it can be. And so for my perfectionist and overachievers in this room, I hope that you get to hear an amazing, great idea, and then you get to go and run with it. And if you haven't listened to Episode One, I highly recommend going back. Episode One is so good. Episode Three is amazing. Episode Five is great. Like our beginning catalog, I suck as an interviewer, but the guests are phenomenal. I guess I don't suck. People said I was really good, but, you know, I was being it till I see it on that. So if you want to hear that from where we are now, which is like over episode 600 but that's my win, my win is just like not letting the details and logistics stop me from dreaming super big about once in a lifetime shared experience. 

Lesley Logan 7:18  

So anyways, now it's time for an affirmation. Do you see wins can be anything. It's gonna be anything. Okay. So the affirmation for your weekend is I am growing and I am going at my own pace. I am growing and I am going at my own pace. I am growing and going at my own pace. My loves you are, and there is no race there we there's not like even if you were born in the same day at the same time as somebody else, if you were in different parts of this country, you'd have a different birth chart. So you're on a different pace. You're running your own you're growing at your own version of it, all right? And we want to hear about it. Want to celebrate with you. So send them in to the beitpod.com/questions, share this podcast with a friend who needs to hear it. Share your favorite episode. Leave a review. These things mean a lot to us. They make the world go round, and they make podcasts get better. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 8:12  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:54  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:59  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 9:04  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:11  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 9:14  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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In this second episode of the Habits Series, Lesley breaks down how to actually make a habit stick without rigid streaks or all-or-nothing thinking. She explains why random reminders usually fail and why pairing tiny actions with routines you already do is far more effective. You’ll hear how she shrinks a new habit to its smallest doable version and uses in-the-moment celebration to reinforce it.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Understanding why prompts and timers often fail in real-life routines.
• Mapping your existing routines to identify reliable habit anchors.
• The importance of making a habit small it's nearly impossible to skip.
• How to choose one tiny habit and tying it to something you already do.
• Building emotional safety around the habit before growing it.

Episode References/Links:

• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/cW2pFic
• Episode 568: Anthony Benenati - https://beitpod.com/ep568
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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

Why do we need to do this? Because celebration creates a dopamine high in your brain. Your brain feeds off of that, and so it starts to remember. 

Lesley Logan 0:09  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:52  

Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Welcome back to our sexy Habits Series. We're bringing sexy back. You know what? We're bringing it back in the habits way, because truly, everything that we want in our life and being it till we see it is just a series of habits that we intentionally put into our lives. And if we don't intentionally do it, then we end up with a bunch of other people's habits or demands and needs or things we think should be doing, and we wonder why our life is miserable or it's not what we want, or we're exhausted or burnt out. And so this is the second episode on series, and we're going to dig into what we talked about in the last one. So I will say, normally, I joke around saying, if you haven't listened to the first one, you can listen to this and then go back. No, go, listen to the first one. It's right below. Sometimes this, in your feed, sometimes it can be really hard. If you're on the OPC app, or Profitable Pilates app, it's easier to find. On Apple, you have to, like, go to the show and then find it. But anyways, you want to do this whole series, has one thing, okay, starting from the beginning, I know we like to skip ahead, but you know. 

Lesley Logan 1:52  

So, I'm gonna do a little review of what we talked about in the last episode. Was just that, like, there is no such thing as a bad habit. There are habits that maybe no longer serve us, which we we talk a little bit like what serves you in the Anthony Benenati episode, so feel free to check that out. But all, everything that we have as habits is telling our brain something that feels good, because our brain is actually running away from shame and guilt and stress into things that actually make us feel good. So even if you don't like something you think it stresses you out. There's something that it's giving you that is why you keep going after it. Okay? 

Lesley Logan 2:25  

So, the other thing we did was we actually talked about how you need, like, something you need to do before you can actually add a habit to your life, which is, get really clear on what you want. So for the example we used, I said I wanted to read more. Then we put up a bunch of ideas on how I could read more. And then we did a little procedure we figured out on a scale of want to do, don't want to do, hard to do, easy to do. And we came up with a few ideas, right? So get your sheet out, because that's what we're going to use for this next episode. And we're going to we're going to do one habit at a time. So we're also going to talk about how to add a habit into your life. And we're also going to go about why prompts don't work. And I talked about something a little bit in the first episode, and I'm going to reiterate why it's important to do it in here. So, before we can go back to our piece of paper, of the quadrants, I think it's best to talk about right now, like where habits can go in your life. So I mentioned that there's things that we do automatically every day, how we wake up in the morning. That's a habit. What we do after we take our first step, second step, like, in what order do you go the bathroom, brush your teeth, wash your face, whatever those things are that you do, right, when you get your coffee. There are things that we do naturally. Why is that important? Because in the in the studies of behaviors and habits, BJ Fogg found, and this is proven by a lot of companies, prompts like dings, don't help, because we actually tend to ignore it. So your phone going take your medicine, right? If your medicine is right there, it's easy for you to do the prompt, but if your medicine is not there, you ignore it. And once you ignore it one time, it's actually really easy to ignore the second time, and all of a sudden you've just been ignoring it for weeks. I have reminders on my phone from a year ago that I just ignore, like I don't even know, I don't delete it, but like, it's now a habit to just ignore it. So prompts only work if you're actually in the place to do the thing that you said you would do. Now, look, I understand people like, oh, I do the Pomodoro method, Lesley, when the bell goes off, I easily switch. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about like you are, you have a timer going off to go for a run, but you're stuck in a meeting, right? We want to make sure that whatever prompts you have, like, we don't want to set you up for a failure, where you have prompts to do something and then you could possibly not be able to do the thing, to ignore the prompt. We don't want that. So in the last episode, I talked about like, scheduling in time to read. That's an easy habit. I want to do it. Why won't that work?

Lesley Logan 5:05  

Well, one, my schedule changes every single week, so I'm gonna have to do this regularly. It's gonna happen. I'm actually gonna have to make it a habit to go to my schedule and add this in. But, two, if the prompt goes off that it's time for me to read and I don't have my book with me, it's so easy for me to ignore that prompt that it becomes a thing in my schedule I don't even look at, right? So we don't that's not a perfect habit for me to have. There was another one that set a timer to read for 20 minutes. That can work as long as the habit of grabbing the book is already in place, having it go for 20 minutes might help me, my brain not go, Oh, my God, I have to be somewhere like it might having a timer might actually calm my brain to actually do the reading. But that would be another habit I have to create is to set the timer on top of the book. So it's not gonna be the easiest thing for a habit person to do, right? To make a habit around. So, so prompts are anything that you put that's gonna be a prompt to do the thing you want to do. I'm going to encourage you to think not about that and not use that, because I I don't want it to be your phone prompting you. What if your phone's not around when that prompt goes off? So there's, see how it's easy for this to fail. So going back to we already naturally do things. So this is how we're going to create habits. This is the key to the kingdom. This, if you get nothing else from this habit series, this is the thing. There are things we naturally do, typically around morning, afternoon and evening, typically around meals, where we wake up, we go to bed. So I mentioned I wanted you to observe what you do every day during the day, so in the morning, what are the things you naturally do? Remember in the first episode, I said, oh, I want to add a cold plunge when I'm going to do it my day. So I went through my day and I sort of go, okay, the cold plunge, first of all, it's important to know where the cold plunge is. It is in the back of my house, right? So it's near my bedroom. It's not in my bedroom, it's near my bedroom. It's in the same room that I do my makeup. It's the same room that my hats are, my accessories, all that stuff is there. Okay? It's this extra bathroom. So I in the morning, I get up before the cold plunge would happen, I would get up, go to the bathroom, put on some sunscreen and grab my allergy medicine, drink some water, take the dog for a walk, right? After the dog walk, I come back, I would make my coffee, make his breakfast. I used to have a little extra, like nutritious drink in there. Do that. Then I would do my Pilates. Then after my Pilates, I would make some breakfast, and then I would go into the shower, then I get ready for the day, then I do my makeup, then I sit down on my desk, right? So that's my morning. So you can hear there's like, some things that I do, like naturally we, those of us who drink coffee, we drink we don't even go there's no time or going up time to make my coffee. And back to my prompts example, like you don't have that you just naturally do it, right? There's no time you're going up when it's time to floss your teeth. You just do it after you brush your teeth. So same thing around lunchtime. What do I do around the middle of the day? Well, after I finish my last thing before my lunch break, I get up, I go in the kitchen, I make my lunch, I sit down at the table. After I'm done with my lunch. Then I typically go back to work, right? And then after work, I do blah, blah, blah, blah. And then before bed, it looks like walking the dog, taking a shower and putting my phone on the charger, going to sleep. Okay, so that might be what you write down. So I want you to take a piece of paper and just like start to write down all the things you just down all the things you just do automatically, okay, and the morning, afternoon, evening. Once you know this, then it makes it easier for us to go, okay, well, when are we going to add something in? So to add the cold plunge, and I can look, well, where can the cold plunge be? It definitely doesn't fit once I've gotten ready for the day, and I don't want to cold plunge before bed, so it has to happen before I get ready, before I get ready for the day. Okay, so then I can actually start to play with, okay, so is it after I go to the bathroom I can go for the cold plunge? Is it after the dog walk that I go for the cold plunge? That's where I can play with it, right? Something I got it when I got a shake plate, I had to do this, like, when am I gonna do this shake plate thing? It's like, okay, should I do it after I go to the gym? Should I do it after a dog walk? So you kind of want to put it somewhere where you already are doing something that you already easily do. No problems. You never miss. Okay? After, here, after, I'm gonna say, after a lot, okay, so once you have figured out a places where the new habit can go. So for my example, I want to read more. And I said it might be easy, and I want to do is to read a book at breakfast. So basically, I have to think about like, where do I have my breakfast? I have my breakfast at the kitchen table. So after I sit down at the kitchen table, I will pick up my book. Notice how I didn't say I'd read my book. We'll talk about that in a little bit, but I'll pick up my book. So that can be that's where I can have the habit, because I'm trying that one out. Another one I said I would try out is I'd read when I play a video game, which means I have to think about when I'm playing my video game, all right. And to be honest, I could absolutely replace reading with playing my video game when I'm on, when I'm just, when I'm not, like, in a car, I can go, oh, when I'm in a car, like my video game, but when I'm at home, right? This one's a little harder, because I don't actually have a set time that I do it. It's just something that I do. So that's going to be a bit more advanced, and I'm just going to put that one, I'm going to table that one for right now. And then I said I would set a timer for 20 minutes. That's more of a remember, I have to have a habit to do the habit. So what I can do for right now is just put, let's just focus on reading at the breakfast reading while I have breakfast, okay. 

Lesley Logan 11:08  

So now that I have my idea of what the habit is, I'm going to try to create, which is I'm settled on, pretty sure it's going to be reading at breakfast. Now I have to make the habit really small. So you heard me specifically say, Okay, I'm going to after I sit down to have breakfast, I will pick up my book, because right now I don't have the habit of reading at breakfast, so I cannot go after I sit down, I'm going to read my book for 20 minutes. That is a lot. I'm not used to doing that. I might not even be aware of all the different things I kind of do during breakfast. Like, if I think about it, sometimes I'm having breakfast and I'm talking to a girlfriend. Sometimes I'm having breakfast. I'm also like, getting by on a snack. Like, and like, because I think I sit down and I just like, hang out at breakfast. I think this is a good time, but I have to test it. I have to experiment with it. So I have to make it very small. I pick up my book this way I can actually have an achievable goal. One of the reasons why so many people struggle with building habits is they make it too big. So a lot of you are like, oh, I want to have better sleep, so I'm not going to use I'm not going to look at my screen two hours before bed, right? But two hours before bed, what if you usually are checking the email and setting alarms and sending texts to friends, and there's a lot of different things, and you don't have anything else that you're doing. So what if that tonight you actually, an hour before bed, then don't check your phone, you feel like a failure because you said you wouldn't do it for two hours, and you only did it for an hour. In that case, I would say, I, you know, after I brush my teeth, to go to bed, I put my phone away, right, so that, like, there's a set prompt that's physical, that's already a habit, you have to put your phone away. And then as I get stronger, maybe it's after I have dinner, I put my phone away, or after I start making dinner, I put my phone away. Do you see how we can like, we can have a better prompt, but we want to make it as small as possible so it could be achievable and we can celebrate ourselves. Okay? So that's the habit I'm going to work on this week is after I sit down for breakfast, I'm going to pick up my book. Okay? 

Lesley Logan 13:20  

I want this week to be your practice. So between now and our next episode on habits, we'll have an FYF, and then we'll have an episode about habit stacking, because I know a lot of you want to work on more than one habit at a time. We'll talk about that next week. But between now and then, while you're experimenting, here's the other thing you have to do. So one, you make it really small, tiny, tiny, tiny. Two, you have to celebrate. You have to celebrate that you did it. So after I sit down to have breakfast, I pick up my book, and then I'm going to say I'm amazing, or I'm going to high five myself, or I'm going to jump up and down, or I'm going to play my favorite song, or I'm going to tell, tell, text my friend. Oh, my God, you won't believe this, I picked up my book I said I was going to read, right? I have to celebrate. If I sit down, start eating my breakfast, almost finish and go, oh, oh, my God, I forgot. I'm supposed to grab my book. I'm going to celebrate that I remembered it. And if I can do it, I will grab my book. Why do we need to do this? Because celebration creates a dopamine high in your brain. Your brain feeds off of that, and so it starts to remember. Every time I pick up a book, I feel good about myself. So I am going to remember to pick up this book because after I picked up this book, I felt really good about myself. After I remembered this book, I felt really good about myself. So when you celebrate, thinking about doing the habit, or actually doing the habit, and you celebrate, you are well on your way to creating a habit. They do not take 21 days. They take a dopamine high. They take an emotional good feeling. That's what they take, okay, so already, like, I'm like, so excited. go pick up a book I get, my brain is like, where is this book? What's so, what's so cool about this is when you do it like this, when it's not from a timer and it's not out of all or nothing, oh my God, I picked up my book, but I couldn't read for 20 minutes like I said, I would I only read for 10, I'm such a loser, that actually stresses the brain out, makes the brain go I don't even want to look at the book. You won't even see the book at the table, because your brain is like, I don't want to see that, because it makes me feel bad about myself, and I don't want to feel bad at myself. But when you actually celebrate it, your brain starts to see all the different times you can read a book. So here's what happens, right? What will happen is, I won't just be reading the book at breakfast. I'm going to start reading books twice, two different times during the day, because my brain is going to be seeking out opportunities for me to read my book, to pick up my book, but notice how I said I'm going to practice this week, just picking up my book and celebrating that. So if you want to make coffee for two, maybe the habit is just putting two cups on the counter, right? If you want to move your body more. Maybe the habit is putting on the running shoes or setting out the clothes to go to the gym or picking the workout you would have done. You know, we tell OPC members like if you're not used to being consistent with a Pilates practice, maybe the habit is just logging in and pressing play. Anything you do after that habit is extra credit. Okay? So, extra credit. If all I do this whole week at breakfast is pick up the book, I have done my job, I get to celebrate. Okay? So I think that that is a good spot for us to leave today. So think about the different ways you like to celebrate if you're struggling with the celebration part, my perfectionist, because it's something so small and who cares? BJ Fogg does have like, 100 different ways you can celebrate, and he has a really cool thing in his book on how to figure out which ways you would like to celebrate you've got kids. It's so easy because you can just go high five, I picked up a book, and it's like I picked up a book, like, we can all create a habit picking a book, right? So you you can do it with them. But some of us need like it to be verb, like auditory. We hear it. Some of us need to like move our body in celebration. Some of us need to play a song. Do not go if I do this all week long, then I have a reward. That's not how habits are created. Doesn't work that way. Has to be in the moment. Has to be something great, okay, something that makes you feel really, really good. So want you to practice that this week. We'll come back next week and we'll dive into how to stack another habit on top of this, and how to expand the habits that you are basically growing here, right? Like, what comes next? How do I know that we can, you know, go from just picking up the book to opening up the page. When does that happen? So we'll go into that more in the next episode. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Oh, but also, I want to know what habit you're working on. What are you practicing on? DM me, a DM to Be It Pod or tag me so I can celebrate you, right? Like it's really helpful when other people are cheering you on as well, to cheer yourself on. Thank you so much. Have an amazing day. 

Lesley Logan 18:03  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 18:45  

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Lesley Logan 18:51  

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Brad Crowell 18:55  

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Lesley Logan launches a new Habits Series and explains why habits are secretly the sexiest part of your success. She breaks down what habits actually are, how they shape more of your life than you realize, and why they matter more than motivation. Using real examples from her own routines, she shows how habits make space for goals, love, and the energy you want. Plus she shares a simple exercise to start noticing which habits are truly supporting you.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

 

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How subconscious habits shaped daily actions without conscious effort.
• Why rigid habit stacking often backfired for perfectionists.
• How goals became a series of small, repeatable habit steps.
• How pouring coffee for two helped her make space for a partner.
• A paper exercise for mapping doable habits that fit real life.

Episode References/Links:

• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/cW2pFic
• Episode 568: Anthony Benenati - https://beitpod.com/ep568
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions

Lesley Logan launches a new Habits Series and explains why habits are secretly the sexiest part of your success. She breaks down what habits actually are, how they shape more of your life than you realize, and why they matter more than motivation. Using real examples from her own routines, she shows how habits make space for goals, love, and the energy you want. Plus she shares a simple exercise to start noticing which habits are truly supporting you.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How subconscious habits shaped daily actions without conscious effort.
• Why rigid habit stacking often backfired for perfectionists.
• How goals became a series of small, repeatable habit steps.
• How pouring coffee for two helped her make space for a partner.
• A paper exercise for mapping doable habits that fit real life.

Episode References/Links:

• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - https://a.co/d/cW2pFic
• Episode 568: Anthony Benenati - https://beitpod.com/ep568
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions

 

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSI

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Be in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlist

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

For the next few weeks, it's going to be about habits. And I know you're like, habits? But habits are sexy. Habits are cool. We're going to make habits sexy. 

Lesley Logan 0:07  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:47  

Hi, Be It babe. How are you? We are doing a new series. You know, usually we do interviews and recaps, but for the next few weeks, it's going to be about habits. And I know you're like, habits? But habits are sexy. Habits are cool. We're gonna make habits sexy. Wouldn't it be so fun if we could, like, have the song, I'm bringing sexy back, but, like, I'm bringing habits back. Anyways, the reality is, is that I wanted to have a series that we could just refer back to anytime you need to dive into a habit you want to create. I think a lot of our guests are of inspiring stories. And if you haven't noticed, the reason they get to do the things that they do, the reason they were able to be it till they see it is actually because of the habits that they have created for themselves. And so I wanted to, anytime you hear, like, anyone bring up a habit. If you're like, oh my God, if that's like this thing, like, I gotta work on that, or there's habits I don't like. I wanted us just to have, like a series we could to point you to so that would be really helpful. You can revisit this as much as you want, and hopefully some of this will be reminder. Some of this I've brought up, like little bits and pieces, but I also just wanted to have like, a actual story of, like, how habits are really created. So each episode is going to be a mini, mini work, mini, M-I-N-I, mini workshop on how habits are created, and each episode will kind of like, go deeper and deeper and deeper. So my hope is that you can practice this and do this on your own. 

Lesley Logan 2:09  

First of all, what are habits? So, like, you'd be surprised how many habits you have. I think a lot of us think like, oh, I want to have a habit of walking every day. So you actually have tons of habits. You have habits about like, how you open your phone, habits you don't like about yourself. But habits are just basically the things you do regularly, often without thinking about them, that happen, hopefully, on a on a subconscious level, because, my God, our brains will be exhausted if we don't think about them all the time. But they are your entire day, your weeks, your year is built on a bunch of habits that you have, whether you intentionally created them or you didn't. And it's actually much easier to create a habit than you think. I grew up thinking that habits take 21 days. It takes 21 days to build a habit. And then I saw something that's like, 90 days. Oh my gosh. And then I've heard things like 75 hard. And it's like, you do this stuff for 75 days. And the truth is, is that you're usually, from some of those things, you're so tired of working on the habit you don't even want to deal with the habit anymore. Some people create try to create habits by signing up for a race, so then they have to run, and then that will help them create a habit of running. No, it won't. Once the race is over, if you don't have another race signed up for you, you're unlikely to create the habit because you didn't actually do the steps to create the habit. But a lot of us have habits we don't like some of us who read our phones. Read our phones before bed because they create we go to our email we find relief because there's nothing to work on. So we go, okay, and then we have this habit that we check our emails right before bed because it gave us relief, right, or certainty or dopamine hits. And so all the stuff I study on habits, the things that I love the most have come from the book Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg. And I got to study with his program years and years ago, and I studied with him on purpose because I actually really like the way that he breaks it down. And he is also the person that the founders of Instagram studied with. Remember the beginnings of the IG way back when I took three steps to actually post a picture and start getting a dopamine hit, three steps. Now, there's a bunch of other things you have to do and but like, I'll be honest, I'll post something, and then I go and check and see, like, how's it doing? Because it's a dopamine hit, right? It's a habit that I don't love, that I have, right? So habits are just the things that we do that build up our day, that allow us to have reached the goals we want to have or not. If you have a goal in your life, there's things you want to do. If you don't have habits that support that, you won't do it. I can promise you that right now. There's also an ideal schedule that has to go away with it. But truthfully, like, that's how it is. You know, I'm like, I'm 42 at the time I'm recording this. Like, perimenopause symptoms have arrived, and so one of the things that I have been working really hard on is my sleep. Just because I have a goal of working my sleep doesn't mean I'm going to achieve it unless the habits around my life support the goal of sleeping right, the goal of good sleep. So I share that with you, because what are your habits? Your habits are all the things that you're doing. That will either help you reach your goals or won't. So what aren't habits? Well, there's no such thing as a bad habit. I know, I know we were raised with like, oh, you have a really bad habit. Like you like, you chew on your nails. It's a really bad habit or you eat at your desk. It's a really bad habit. Nope, if you haven't listened to the episode with Anthony Benenati, we're talking about good and bad, certain things serve you at the time that you're doing them. Some people might it might be bad for some person, but it might not be bad for you. It might actually be serving a good purpose for you, and then at some point it doesn't. And so when a habit is something you no longer want, we have to unravel it. We'll do an episode on how to unravel a habit you no longer want, but you can't break a bad habit. Habits are not like a ruler or a stick, right? They are a web. And as we go through how to create habits that that really stick, and habits that you want to have in your life, you need to understand that, like all habits are like a web that we weave. In fact, when we if we were to take a 30,000 foot view on our life, or on just a day, we would actually see just like how a web of our day works, how some things are so dependent on other things, and if one thing goes off, then the domino effect doesn't go. 

Lesley Logan 6:16  

There's a lot of people who like talk about habit stacking. I will get into that in a little bit, but it's so important that you actually, for my perfectionists and my overachievers, that we don't focus on habit stacking just yet, because that is when the domino doesn't hit, then the rest of the things fall, like don't fall right? And so then a whole day could be ruined. And so I really want to give you support around building habits that you want to have, to create the life that you want to live, to be it till you see it without having some sort of like domino that if it doesn't go, then the rest of the habits don't go. I want to teach you how you can create habits where, if we take one of them away, the rest of them could still happen, right? So for example, when I travel, my morning routine looks different than when I'm home. A lot of people, when they travel, nothing, nothing looks the same, except for breakfast. I mean brushing their teeth. But for me, I still go for my walks. I still work out they might not be as long there's no dog oftentimes. But like most, there's a lot of different things that I can do. So we'll get into an episode of how I can make my habits malleable for when I travel. But if I had such strict strictness around the habit stacking, this happens and this happens and this happens. It's quite possible that I don't have the tools in my brain and body to make habits go and that's gonna become more clear as a more clear as they go through things. So I just want to say like, I'm more, I'm specifically following like, the Tiny Habits book. So if you want to read into this more, that is the one that I would suggest for you. And I also want to say like, please, please, please, please. As you go through this, you're going to be tempted to want to try three things at once, three habits at once. Stack them, because you've heard James Clear say that, or other experts say that. And I'm going to tell you, for my perfectionist and over achievers, my recovering perfectionist, that is just going to create an all or nothing mindset. It's going to make it very difficult for you to make these malleable and grow them with the life that you have, because our lives are different every single day. Okay, also, we've heard, we've heard the saying like, tomorrow morning's great day starts with with last night, a good last night, right? But it's true, tomorrow the success for your morning actually will start often start on last night's habits. You know, if I want to be able to get up every morning and have an amazing morning routine, but I'm constantly on my screen at night, and like, not going to bed at the time that I wanted to, I'm going to wake up exhausted, might even have to hit snooze, and therefore, I start to affect what habits I actually have time for in the morning. So everything we do really does matter, right, all the things that we have in our life. So one of the episodes is going to have you, like, really thinking about the things that you do in your day, like being mindful. Like, when? What do you do when you wake up? Where do you put your feet? What do you do next? What do you do after that? What do you do after that? Right? Like, for me, I sit up, I grab my phone, I grab my water bottle, and I walk directly into our extra bathroom to get in the cold plunge, right? That's what I do. And then, from my cold plunge, I do the next thing I do the next thing, right? So notice what you do. When we bought the cold plunge, I think about, what am I going to do? What am I going to add this in? Right? Where is it going to best fit? We'll talk more about that in the upcoming episode about starting new habits, but just start to notice the habits you have, the ones you like, and the ones that you don't like, because it's going to make a difference. Okay? 

Lesley Logan 9:41  

So the other thing I want to address in today's episode, because habits are sexy. A lot of you have goals, lots of goals, and goals are really a series of habits. If you want to leave a job, the habits of filling the applications, networking, dressing for the job you want that, those are all habits we need to have, right? If you're like, I need a new job. But you're not, you don't have any habits around, like, maybe you work at a coffee shop and you really, really want to be working for a fashion company. Well, maybe you have a uniform at the coffee shops and you're like, I can't dress for that, Lesley, okay, but what do you do when you leave the coffee shop? What are you doing habit-wise, to dress or be the person that is going to have that fashion job. What? What networking events are you going to? Those like, what are you what are you practicing saying at those networking events to get the job you want? All those are series of habits, right? Having the diligence and time to sit down and fill out applications or review jobs like those are a series of habits so easy to place those with other habits we don't like about ourselves, like scrolling, but remember, habits we don't like are giving us something, there's something positive it's giving your brain. If you want to make more space for a partner in your life, habits are how you get there. In fact, I'll tell you the story. You probably have heard it a couple times, but I'll tell you I was really busy when I met Brad, like I had to be busy because I needed to make money. I was paying my own bills for the first time, all of the bills, for the first time in a long time, like I paid, like, a small amount of rent with my last partner. I had a lot of gas payment and a lot of gas bills, and from a lot of time on and traffic, but I went from like, paying maybe $700 a month to paying $1,700 a month, plus, like, paying full electric bills and gas bills all that stuff. Like, it was just a lot of money all at once. And you know, when you move into something, you're like, I have to have a first month's payment, last month's payment. I had to buy new car, it's a whole thing. So I was working six days a week, like 12, 14-hour days that also included my workouts. So, but I wanted to, I wanted to meet someone. And so if I want to meet someone, I have to have habits that allow my life to have space for a partner. So one of the habits I did was I poured coffee for two people. I poured coffee for two people because I was like, one, I want to meet someone who likes to drink coffee in the morning. Two, I'd love to make coffee for them in the morning. That's like, one thing I can do even when I'm busy, right? And and then that so I had so I started the habit before I had the partner. I also made sure that I always said no to anything on Thursday nights, um, until last minute, unless it was a date, because it's like Thursday nights is gonna be my date night. That's my habit for my date night so I can meet someone, so I can have a partner, right? So if you want to have something in your life, you have to make room for it. And the habits that you have have to support what that is. If I'm saying I want to have a life partner, but I am saying yes to hanging out with friends or doing other things on the one night that I could actually go out with someone, I'm not making space. How am I going to meet someone if I want to have a partner in my life but I actually don't have any way of like, if there's nothing in my life that would allow a partner to be part of it, then that partner is not going to last very long, right? So you have to have habits. You have to start creating habits around the things that you want. Now that's part of being it till you see it. In fact, you can use habits to be it till you see it very easily every single day. 

Lesley Logan 12:57  

Habits do, I think, get a bad rap because I think a lot of people get a little rigid in their habits. And if that's you, I'm hopeful that this series will help you understand, like, how you can change or recreate the habit so they can be a little bit more malleable, so you can go on trips. There are some people who like it has to be a certain way and and I will say, like, obviously, if this is a condition, like an OCD condition, or or something like that, like, please seek out professional help. But for a lot of people, that isn't the case, but they're really rigid around their habits because they don't trust themselves. And so I would, I would, hopefully, the series allows you to kind of take a look at the habits you have and make sure you still want them. Sometimes we keep habits around, not because they're serving us, but because we've always been doing them, right? And that's that's not exactly what we want to be doing. We want to make sure that our habits are things that we want in our lives, that they do serve us. And so evaluating our habits and how they serve us is really, really important thing for us to be doing. So I already said it, but yes, habits are sexy. 

Lesley Logan 14:02  

So before I wrap this episode up, I actually want to talk about how the first step in creating a habit, because I want you to do it. Want you to practice this before our next episode. So the first step in creating habits is knowing what we want to create. So I want you to grab a piece of paper. Right? Scrap piece of paper, and I want you to put on the center of the paper something you wish you did more of. So I'll give you some ideas. Maybe you want more sleep, or maybe you want to work out more or maybe you want to have more energy. The more specific it can be, the better. Maybe you want a partner. Maybe you want to have, maybe you need a dog, maybe, oh, please adopt one. Please don't buy one. Just go adopt it. Maybe you want to run a marathon, or maybe you want to have, want to spend more time outdoors, maybe you want to get a new job, maybe you want to start a new business. I'll tell you my habit, and we'll use as an example. So I want to get back into reading more books the old school way. So I listen to a lot of books on on Audible, and I like that. But I actually, really do believe that I retain more when I read a book, like my finger running across the page, my eyes seeing it like I just I often kind of like I can hear it in my head as I'm reading it. I retain a lot more information. So I had this goal at the end of the year, 25 books in 2025. And I allowed myself for the some of those books to be on Audible. So I'm not saying that they aren't there, but I am realizing that, like, I haven't read a full paper or or hardcover book yet this year, at the time I'm recording this, and it's July, so we're in the month, seventh month of the year, and so my wish to read more and make it a mixture is not happening yet, and that's because the habits aren't there. So I am definitely, you know, well, on my way to hitting the number of books I wanted, but not in the way that I was hoping to have a blend. So on this other paper, I'm going to have read more physical books, okay? And then around the goal, to put a circle around it, around the goal, you're gonna put down all the different ways that you think right now you could achieve that goal. So again, maybe your goal is getting more sleep, maybe your goal is getting a new job, whatever it is, my goal is reading more books, all right, so then I can so I'm gonna put different things around it. So I have have a book on my nightstand. Like, just have a book there, like, right on my nightstand. So, like, as soon as I get in bed, I could read the book. I could schedule a time to read, right? I could put it in my calendar. I could read while I'm eating my breakfast or my lunch, instead of what I'm doing, which is probably something on my phone. I can read instead of playing a video game. Some people are always surprised that I play one. I do play a video game, usually when we're second, like on the road, on a plane, I just have one game that I play, and it's just really, you know, it's kind of like a nice way of letting my mind settle on some things. But maybe there are some of the times that I play this game that I could be reading instead. So I have to evaluate that, right? I could join a book club, so maybe I'll be better at joining a book club. It's kind of like the runners like saying it for a race, though. I could get the Libby app right, and maybe instead of it having to be a physical book, maybe it can be on my iPad and I could read it that way. I could set a timer when I read and make sure that I'm reading for 20 minutes. So what are some other things? So you're just brain dumping, like there's no bad ideas on a brainstorm. You're just putting all the ideas on on one page. Okay? Then you're going to take out another piece of paper. So this is the last thing we're going to do today in this episode. You're going to take out another piece of paper, and you're going to draw a vertical line and a horizontal line, so you'll have four quadrants right? And on the vertical line, I want, want to do, at the top, and on the bottom, it's going to say, don't want to do. And then on the horizontal line, on the right, it's going to say easy to do. So it's effort right? And then it's on the left side, it's going to say hard to do, and you're going to take each idea and go easy to do, hard to do, right? Where is it on that line? And then want to do it, don't want to do it. Okay? So have a look at my nightstand. Well, that is pretty easy to do. Okay? In fact, there's one there right now want to do or don't want to do, I would say I want to do it, but it's not really like the time I like. So for right now, I'm going to put that kind of around the bottom of the want to do. So it's not in the upper hand right quadrant, right now, it's not there. Okay? Another example, schedule a time to read. Well, that's easy to do. Do I want to do it. I think I do. I think maybe if I just like, put it in my schedule that so I'm going to put that in there. Okay, we'll talk about why that might not be a great idea in a future episode. But for right now, it's going to go in there. Okay, read breakfast, read at breakfast or lunch, the easy to do or hard to do. At breakfast, it's easy to do at lunch, it's actually hard to do. So I'm gonna break that up into read at breakfast. So read at breakfast easy to do, and then do I want to do it? I think so I think if I start the day. So I'm gonna put that up in the upper hand. So I got two things in the upper hand, right, right quadrant. Join a book club that is actually hard to do, right? Like that's that is difficult to find a group that likes the books that I like that also as at a time I can go. So it's hard to do. So even though I want to do it, it's over on the upper hand left. Read instead of playing a video game, I think that that's actually kind of easy-ish to do. It would require me unraveling the video game habit. So I'd have to work. I have to look at that and I want to do it. Yeah, I'd say I want to do it. So we'll put that up there. Okay, so we got three things. Upper hand, right quadrant. Get the Libby app easy do or hard do. Easy to do. Got it. Do I want to read on the Libby app right now? That's a no, so I'm gonna put it in the don't want to do. Set a timer to read for 20 minutes. Easy to do or hard do. Easy to do. Do I want to do it? Yeah, maybe I want to do it. Okay? So put those up there. So your turn, right? I want you to do the same thing. And so now that you've heard you can have ideas that don't sound great to you. Can you go back and add more things? Because sometimes we add things we don't like, it comes up with ideas that we do like, or things that are outside of the box that we wouldn't have normally thought about, or outside the realm of possibilities. Because you're, you're, I'm not going to try all these things at one time, but I'm gonna explain how we're going to break this down in the next episode. But for now, your homework is to think of one thing you want, brainstorm all the different ways you could do it, and then put it on a scale of easy, hard and want to do, don't want to do. 

Lesley Logan 20:52  

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Lesley Logan 21:18  

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Brad Crowell 22:00  

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:44  

Hey, Be It babe. How are you? My God, it's December 5. This is crazy. This year is going wild. This is your Fuck Yeah Friday, because we got to celebrate Fridays together. And I really love doing these short and sweet episodes. I hope you love them too. I would love to know you. You gotta let us know, and you can send your wins in or your questions in your feedback beitpod.com/questions. 

Lesley Logan 1:07  

So today's episode is quick. I give you something that inspired me from the interwebs, which you know can be a weird place. Then I share something that you sent me, and then I share a win of mine. So here we go. So this one is from the Maori culture, and I hope I said that, it's, it's a hard word for me to say, Maori culture, so I apologize if I said that wrong. In Maori culture, autism is known as, and this is, I'm going to say not correctly, but we're going to go for it. Takiwātanga, meaning, in their own space and time, in their own time and space. And this is powerful world reflects a worldview that honors neurodiversity, seeing each person's way of being as valid, dignified and deserving of respect. Rather than focusing on deficits, takiwātanga encourages inclusion, understanding the belief that everyone experiences life in at their own pace, in their own unique way. And then the post says, Let's embrace perspectives rooted in respect, mana, which means inherent dignity and whanaungatanga, relationships. I'm sorry I've definitely butchered that one, but I hope that you are as inspired as I am, because I actually really appreciate this. I think it's really easy in our culture, especially right now, to be thinking of people who are different than us as having less or we need to fix that or change that. And I just think it's a beautiful thing, like in their own space and time, and their own time and space. Not only should they have that, but we should be giving ourselves all of that. And I just think that that word is beautiful, and I hope that that inspires you to think of yourself and anyone else in your life who is autistic as as being unique. And then, instead of focusing on deficits, focusing on like their their unique person. I hope that we can do that. I think if you're listening to this podcast, you probably are someone who does, who generally tries to be respectful of others, but it is hard, right? It's so hard, especially when people get confused or people get misinformation. And so I hope that that gives you a little inspiration, and it's just like, oh, what a food for thought. I love that. 

Lesley Logan 3:18  

Okay, now your wins. You guys sent me a bunch, so we're gonna go with a couple of them. Here we go. @denisestargazer, my QL is getting stronger and my side bends are finally deep. I love that so much for you. Yeah, it's, like, Pilates is so good. It balances and balances. Someone else could have really overworking QLs, right? And so it's so I love that you got to feel that for your body and get something deep out of it. Peter does Pilates. Had my run scheduled, did not want to go at all. Did 95% of what was scheduled. You know what? I love that. At OPC, we always say like finishing is optional. I think it's really important that one, we're always listening to ourselves. Gotta listen to our bodies. But also it was scheduled, so sometimes it's once you get going, it's like, okay, I can do this. And 95% it's amazing. Like we're celebrating. Okay. One more, @etain.pilates. My teacher didn't have to adjust my legs in prone for Swan, like she does every week. Way to go. Insane. It sounds like your body is starting to connect the dots and not need to be reminded. You know, I love that sometimes people are like, always checklisting in their Pilates practice, like, did I do this? Did I do that? Did I do this? And it's like the goal is that your body does it on its own. All right, you can send your wins in. I love sharing them. Some of them are short, some of them are sweet, some of them are long. I don't care. Bring them in. You want to hear your wins on the show. Here's why, because at some point you're gonna have a crappy Friday, and then hearing a win that you sent me is gonna remind you of something you did do, and that is worth celebrating. 

Lesley Logan 4:53  

All right, my win. So we're on tour right now, and my win is getting to tour, and being so well rested, so prepared, having filmed everything early, and I'm not going, we're going on tour, and I had, I'm going to come back to being behind on my work, like, I'm just so grateful. Look, this was a team effort. This was a year and a half in the making. You've heard me talk about this. I brought a win like this up in the past, but truly, it just keeps getting better. And one of the ways it keeps getting better, and I'll share, I'll share with you how this win came to be. So after everything that we do, we always reflect back on, like, was that good? Is that something we do again? And I am constantly like, reflecting on, how did I feel on that tour, what could I, what, what would have made it better for me, so I can make the tour better for those who are attending. And last year, I got sick before the tour, so yay, sick before the tour. That's wonderful. But that meant that I actually couldn't record two of the YouTube videos before we left, and there would not be time for us to record them on tour, nor would there be time for us to record them when we got back in time for them to release on YouTube. So we just missed a month of YouTube videos, which is unlike us. We've never done that before. Now we have playlists, and we had other tutorials we could drop, but we didn't have our long forms, and that would be like, just we never missed, and I just had to get to come to terms, like it's just not gonna happen. We put too much on my plate. I got sick. And so with my assistant, I was like, okay, we have to make sure that there is room in the schedule for things to go haywire, for me to get sick. And so what's so cool is we adjusted my schedule way back in January so that I would be recording so far in advance, which is not always ideal, because that means like, I'm not recording things in with like, what is going on with the world at the exact same time. However, it allows, if I get sick, there's a little bit more wiggle room to record things, versus just skipping things. So it just feels so good going on this tour, having been so prepared and so on top of things, and knowing that when I come back to my home in January, like the most important thing I have to do is get my hair done and my nails done, like, that's it. So do you hear how a win can be in so many things? It can be a long practice thing. It can be something small. You can also just be in like, I felt a certain way. I don't want to feel like that again. I made a plan, I did the plan, and here we are. So I, being it till you, see, it is hard. Every time, we evolve. We learn more things about ourselves. We figure something out. It's like a mountain with no peak, but not in a way that we're unsatisfied, in a way that we just keep taking a look back at how far we've come and adjusting our path going forward. Because also for my ladies, listening to this, like our bodies are changing, right? I am 42 so you might be in your 50s, and it's already you're on the other side of perimenopause and and I'm getting there, but like may my listening and reflecting myself give you permission to listen and reflect upon yourself. And if you need help, ask for it. If you need people to leave you alone, ask for it, right? And then send that win in so we can celebrate you. 

Lesley Logan 8:02  

All right, a little affirmation for you to take with you on your journey. Here we go. What is today's? I get, here it is. I let go of the things that sit achingly out of reach. I let go of the things that sit achingly out of reach. I let go of the things that sit achingly out of reach. You know what? You do that probably create space to welcome it all the way in. Sometimes, that's how it goes. You release it and it comes back. Someday, I'll tell you about a story when I released Brad and he came back. Anyways, that's a story for another day. You're amazing. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 8:38  

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• How identity-led actions can make starting new habits feel more doable.

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• OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour
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• Pilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournal
• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com
• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

There's so many different reasons to have things that help you show up as the identity that you want to be so you can actually do the thing that you want to do. 

Lesley Logan 0:09  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the unfaltering convo I had with Amy Ledin in our last episode. 

Brad Crowell 0:59  

The what convo? 

Lesley Logan 1:00  

Unfaltering. 

Brad Crowell 1:01  

Unfaltering. Love that. 

Lesley Logan 1:03  

Yeah. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you are definitely going in and out of order. But that's fine. It's totally fine. We're actually. 

Brad Crowell 1:11  

We don't do perfection here. 

Lesley Logan 1:12  

We don't and but also, this kicks off our Habits series. 

Brad Crowell 1:19  

This one? 

Lesley Logan 1:19  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 1:20  

Oh, I didn't know that. 

Lesley Logan 1:21  

We are in the Habits series. You don't even know. 

Brad Crowell 1:23  

I know that's amazing. Well, I was gonna comment that it was coming up because the two of you talked a lot about habits.

Lesley Logan 1:28  

Yeah, yeah. So she kicked us off in this interview, in case, the way I talk about habits doesn't exactly work for you. Amy is a great person at habits. And then several episodes, they're like 15, 20, minutes of me actually, just like breaking down how habits work. And so you can, you'll have episodes you can actually come back to anytime you need to go back through a habit. 

Brad Crowell 1:53  

Love that. 

Lesley Logan 1:54  

I know.

Brad Crowell 1:55  

So this is 611 so just remember episode 611 kicks off the Habits series. 

Brad Crowell 1:59  

Well, 610. Oh, the interview with her, 610 so, yeah, the last episode. So you really should go back and listen to it, if you haven't already, it's worth it.

Lesley Logan 2:08  

You should. So, but before that, you'll listen to us talk about how today is December 4th 2025, and it's World Wildlife Conservation Day day. According to Brad's notes, day day. 

Brad Crowell 2:19  

Day, day. 

Lesley Logan 2:20  

Day day, all right, World Wildlife Conservation Day is on December 4th and we're so excited to spread awareness about preserving Earth's endangered flora and fauna. What do you think the most invasive species on the earth is? Monkeys, catfish, locusts? Well, I'm just gonna pause before I say what I'm about to say the second to the last sentence does make me feel like these people do care about the animals, and I'm gonna get it, bring it back to the animals, but we do have to talk about how it's us humans, and it's not because you're not having enough babies, ladies, that's not it at all. Actually, it's because nature's most magnificent, are we really, nature's most magnificent creatures, world, wildlife, people, I don't think so, are becoming endangers and being pushed the brink of extinction by the greed of some humans. Okay, so really, animals.

Brad Crowell 3:06  

No, they're saying that animals and plants are being pushed to extinction because of humans. 

Lesley Logan 3:13  

Because of humans. Okay, all right, so, so, oh, I see we're the most invasive species. 

Brad Crowell 3:19  

That's right. We are the most invasive species. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

We are the most, I read that as endangered. So okay, so I'll take it all the, well, first of all, we don't need to have any more babies because we are the most invasive species. There it is. But it's true. I just get so tired of people thinking like we're gonna run out of people. We're not gonna run out of people, because the Earth is gonna get too hot for people, because we are being assholes, so this is causing irreparable harm to the wildlife ecosystem. So, just so you know, here are the animals that are in danger right now. One of the most rarest cats in the world is the Amur leopard. There's only about 100 of them left. The vaquita is a small porpoise from the Gulf of California with only eight to 13 estimated to be left. And the rhino. Multiple species are actually critically endangered, largely due to poaching for their horns. And it's really sad about the rhino, because have you seen a baby rhino? They're so cute. The orangutan, all species of orangutans are critically endangered because of the habitat loss from deforestation, and they're being hunted or captured as infants. I watch this incredible thing about how they're trying to create habitats for orangutans, but then they have to take the orangutans that are used to being around people and like, teach them to be orangutans again, it's really quite cute. The saola, saola, an elusive forest dwelling animal in the Annamite Mountain, sometimes called the Asian unicorn, saola, an Asian unicorn? Well, we got to see this. Sunda pangolin, over-exploited for their meat and scales with illegal trade and a major threat. And then the bugs we got to be worried about, the salt Creek tiger beetle, the butterflies, the McCarthy's plant-louse and a giant torrent midge. And, I mean, do we need the midges? I don't know if that's the same as a midge in Scotland. 

Brad Crowell 3:21  

What is it? 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Giant torrent midge.

Brad Crowell 3:21  

All right, images, oh, I don't actually know what I'm looking at here.

Lesley Logan 3:21  

It's giving me, AI is giving me 75 different kinds of animals, none of which, I think are the midge.

Brad Crowell 3:21  

It feels like it's, it's kind of in the antlered world. But a bunch of bugs came up. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Yeah, a bunch. But did you find the Asian unicorn?

Brad Crowell 3:21  

I did. And it actually is like the spindly, horned like. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Okay, you know what it looks like, everyone? It looks like, it looks like the Target dog on a deer with horns. It does. Not white, but like the snout.

Brad Crowell 4:44  

It's got, it's the bull terrier face, but it has antlers that are spinning like spindling. They spin. 

Lesley Logan 3:55  

All these to say, the we are endangering a.

Brad Crowell 4:41  

Twist, they twist. 

Lesley Logan 4:41  

And, oh, and we're endangering a lot of animals. And when one animal goes it actually affects a whole chain. And as humans, I think that we are really getting into we're too self-absorbed, even when we think we're doing the right thing. So just be mindful of what you're doing. And you know, we're we're making the earth too hot, and it's going to be a problem for everybody. So that's World Wildlife, you know, conservation day, humans are an invasive species, not endangered one. Okay, I read that totally wrong. Sorry about that. Anyways. Also, today is the day we have left for the tour.

Brad Crowell 4:41  

Yeah, we hit the road, and that's exciting. We are heading to Colorado.

Lesley Logan 4:41  

Yeah, we're going to Colorado Springs. That event sold out. Both things sold out in like a week, so yeah, and then we'll be in Fayetteville, and then we're gonna keep on going, opc.me/tour, is where you can get your tickets and. 

Brad Crowell 3:55  

There are still a few tickets left, y'all, but I don't know which cities, so just hop over to opc.me/tour, and come join us. Come hang out. It'll be so fun to meet you in person.

Lesley Logan 5:49  

We really want to. It's one of the best ways for us to hang out, and there's lots of prizes. Balanced Body is our sponsor of this tour, and that means we're bringing our Controlology equipment with us. We're bringing Bayon with us. This is the biggest one. This one has 23 cities, so we've outdone ourselves, truly have and we will see how we are on the other side. So, but also while we're on tour. You know, we talked about this last month, but we did not do a sale for Profitable Pilates this past week. I guess it would have been for the Thanksgiving holiday, because we're doing something really special December 26th to the 31st and so you're gonna want, if you've ever wanted to try out Agency, if you've ever wanted to experience what's like, to be coached with us, and you want to get it on a discount, you are going to want to make sure that you are paying attention to our emails. And so the best thing you can do is go to prfit.biz/events, because that'll get you on the waitlist. Actually, just wrote a waitlist email for those people, yes, and that way you will not miss out on this amazing opportunity, and it will in the come back around, okay. And then after the new year, we come home, we literally unpack the van. I'm getting my roots and my nails done. I literally told the team, there's zero things that can happen on that day. There's only two things that can happen on that day, because my roots will be five weeks out, and so will my nails. And we have never tested that before in life. 

Brad Crowell 6:56  

So I'm gonna basically unpack the van and repack the van while she's getting her nails done.

Lesley Logan 6:10  

I know I and we haven't even decided for taking I guess we're taking the van. So we're I'm gonna be teaching at the Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. Brad's gonna be at the booth. We've got some fun fireside chats. It depends on if those rugs that we are picking up fit in the other car. So you guys, oh my God, do you want to know this? We have six rugs that are waiting for us to pick them up, six and they're huge, and the last thing I needed in this house was a rug. But I couldn't say no to six rugs. So I have to now maybe get rid of some rugs, or we're gonna layer some rugs, unclear, but this is, this is the things that Brad and I on our ADHD have to figure out. However, we are going to somehow, some car is going to take us to L.A. and that car will pick up some rugs before we're at the Expo. And then Brad will be at the booth. I'll be running around. I'm doing a fun chat with Ken Edelman. I'm doing a fireside chat that I think Erika Quest is hosting. I got a couple workshops in a class so go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. And then, also, in January, besides being at my birthday, we are going to let the wait list people in on an amazing deal on the retreat to Cambodia next October. So it happens in January. Why? Because we want to kick off the new year. Help you plan your massive travel for the end of the year and have some fun with us. You can plan the, you get to think about it all year long how cool is that, You'll want to go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on that waitlist, because, again, only the waitlist people get the discount. 

Brad Crowell 9:52  

Yeah, and we're gonna have a call in January, middle of January, basically, to we're just gonna hang out and talk about it all. And answer questions for you. So if you were like, you know, it's interesting, but I'm unsure. Come join us for the call. We're going to email the wait list about the call. So go on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com, you'll just see it on the homepage. Scroll down a little bit towards the bottom, and you'll see, you know, find out about the upcoming events and whatever. So we'll be able to email you the Zoom link. And yeah, we're just going to hang out and talk about it, and we'll probably invite a couple of our past retreaters to join us, so you can ask them questions and all the things. But I next year is going to be it's gonna be a big, a big trip. I'm excited. It's gonna be awesome. And we have, we've already had, we've literally already had people start getting tickets. Okay, I know they got a secret sale, and a bunch of people were like, yes, please. So just saying.

Lesley Logan 10:44  

They're like, people like, how do I get the secret sale? Apparently they just asked you guys. I'm pretty sure that's how it went. Then in February, we will have our Agency Mini, but it's happening in February. I don't have the dates in front of us, so pfit.biz/mini will make sure that you do not miss out on when that is happening but.

Brad Crowell 11:01  

Profit without the O slash mini. 

Lesley Logan 11:03  

If you paid attention to what's happening on December 26th to the 31st you will not miss out on that Mini. So I'm just hinting, hinting.

Brad Crowell 11:12  

Hinting. 

Lesley Logan 11:12  

I think I'm hinting on the right thing. The team will let me know. In March, I will be in Poland, and we will also be in Brussels. So if you and with Karen Frischmann, so if you want to learn in an intimate setting and for like, long days of amazingness with Karen and I, then you're gonna want to go to xxll.co/poland or xxll.co/brussels to snag your spot. And then at the time we're recording this, we have, they have not announced POT London, but we will be there. And so if you go to xxl.co/pot, you'll see all the POTs that are happening next year. 

Brad Crowell 11:47  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 11:48  

So when London is there, you will see it there. And if it's not there, you can see all the other things. And just because we're sitting in there doesn't mean we're going to be at all those things. 

Brad Crowell 12:00  

No, that's true. 

Lesley Logan 12:00  

So don't get mad. 

Brad Crowell 11:57  

We'll be at the London one. 

Lesley Logan 11:58  

We'll be at the London one for sure. Well, I'll be teaching at the London one for sure. 

Brad Crowell 12:01  

Oh yeah. 

Lesley Logan 12:02  

Okay, now we have to answer an audience question, and then we can get into the amazingness of Ame Ledin. 

Brad Crowell 12:08  

Yes. So okay, we had a great question. This is from SamCrecco. Samantha asks from IG, hi, I came across your page, and it has really motivated me to make a change. I am an elementary school teacher, and I've been teaching Pilates on the side for about two years now. As a former dancer, I've always had a passion for health and wellness. I'm looking to teach Pilates abroad for a short amount of time, maybe three months, but I'm open to longer. I was wondering if you have any suggestions on how to get started. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Sam.

Lesley Logan 12:40  

Yeah, so, Sam, you it's so here's what is amazing about being a Pilates instructor. You can kind of go anywhere and get a job, like most studios need people. But on profitablepilates.com we actually had a great blog written by Roxy Menzies about being a traveling Pilates instructor, and it's like, I think that we published it like eight years ago and or maybe seven years ago, and it is still the top red blog, one of the top red blogs on the website, because it's such a hot topic. And so I absolutely recommend reading that book, reading that book, reading that blog, because she did that for years. She was a traveling Pilates instructor. She did it for years, until she settled down and had a family. So I would check out that blog post. There's also, and I think it's linked in that blog post, there's also, there, at least was a Facebook group for traveling Pilates instructors. Like, I'm not a I'm not hugely active on Facebook, so I understand, like, I don't know how that will work, but you can go in there and see what that is. And then there's a couple other apps where, like, studios will put job postings. I think, Planke does it P-L-A-N-K-E, the PMA has a job board. Essentially, though, like you would just be surprised what like, because here's the thing you're gonna need to know what your kind of style of teaching is called, because obviously that's for some students that's going to matter, or for you to enjoy yourself that might matter. And then sometimes they just post things in in groups, or they tell a friend, or you can, you can let people know. One of the girls who did eLevate, she actually ran someone's studio for six weeks in Hawaii. So she got to live in the woman's house and live in Hawaii on an island by the beach, and run her studio. So the woman could take six weeks off like, what a dream. I think it's amazing. 

Brad Crowell 14:20  

I'm all about that. I mean, maybe not at this point in my life, because I do have a family and a house. But you know, if I was 20 years younger and in this position, it sounds so fun. 

Lesley Logan 14:32  

Oh, if we still had the apartment in L.A. when we when we didn't have the studio, this would have been like, like, upper alley, but now I'm, like, just not gonna pay me enough. But, well, you're, you have to, but, but Sam is in the perfect place. Like, she's like that, and she should take advantage of it. I think, like so many people, like, oh, this is what I should do. No, if you are not like, like you, if you don't have like, a lease that you're like, dedicated to, like, if it's easy for you to be mobile., well, you should do that while you can, because you haven't you will meet and learn. Meet so many people, learn so many things. You'll learn about yourself. It's like, the same reason why you should come to Cambodia, like, there's just things you have to do in your life so that you can truly level up and figure out what you really want to do. Like, that's the cool thing about being a Pilates instructor. Maybe some people will do this for their whole lifetime, and some people will do it seasonally as a as like a thing that they do until they figure out what they want to do. I love that. So anyways.

Brad Crowell 15:27  

I'm in. Well, thanks for asking that question. If you have a question, you can ask us, go to beitpod.com/questions where you can leave a win or a question, beitpod.com/questions and last week, we got to read out one, and we'd love to hear one from you. So stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this great conversation that Lesley had with Amy Ledin, and we'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 15:50  

All right. Now, let's talk about Amy Ledin. Amy Ledin is a fat loss and mindset coach. She's the cofounder of Lean Bodies Consulting and the host of the F* It Podcast. She helps women in midlife create lasting transformation through training, nutrition and identity-based habit change. Great. 

Lesley Logan 16:09  

What? Great. 

Brad Crowell 16:13  

Great. Yeah, it's so great. Actually, you know what I really appreciated was I've been around you for so long now with your habits training with BJ Fogg, and just listening to you talk about the process and how it all works. And it was, it was really fun to listen to somebody else talk about habits and habit forming and building with her clients. But it's, I thought it was cool because it was identity-based habit change and not just like habit change. So that's pretty awesome. She uses tools like the DAC, which are her daily agreement cards, which we talked about all the way back in episode two, I think, or three. 

Lesley Logan 16:13  

She was episode five. 

Brad Crowell 16:13  

Just kidding, way back in the beginning, five, her DACs. She still uses those. She helps clients reprogram the mental loops that keep them stuck and build a body that reflects their discipline, a stage four nonsmall cell lung cancer fighter, Amy continues to lead and inspire through resilience, integrity and action. And yeah, I know. 

Lesley Logan 16:13  

This was a big episode. 

Brad Crowell 16:13  

This is a pretty big episode. It was also like.

Lesley Logan 16:21  

We're gonna spoil some things as we talk about it, so if you didn't listen, it won't be a surprise when you're listening. But like it was, she has cancer right now.

Brad Crowell 17:06  

Recurring, for the fourth time recurring, and this time it's, it's attacked her brain. 

Lesley Logan 17:10  

I know I'm really upset. I'm like, I'm I'm frustrated for her. And we have another friend who's going through something similar. It's like, the second time, and you're just like, you know, like, it's just so frustrating because, like, of course, they're also the people, like, doing the work and caring for other people, and they're so generous and all that they do, and you're just like, like, why can't it be the fucking asshole over there? You know? Why? You know, but that doesn't get to be that person. So we can, we can get into that in a little bit. But I actually want to talk some other things. I did love that she said.

Brad Crowell 17:58  

Yeah, before that, I just wanted to say, you know, thanks for the update, Amy. And I just wanted to say that I appreciated her honesty. You know, I'm glad you asked the question the way you asked, which was like, how's it going with cancer? Do you still have cancer? What's what's going on? And she said, yes. And instead of being like, Oh, I'm so sorry. You said I'm sorry, but you know, like, how does that make you feel? Like, do you feel like? I can't remember exactly what you asked, but it was something about like, do you, are you sad, are you tired of being sorry? Are you tired of people saying that? And she said, I'm actually tired of it, and I'm tired of also being the strong one, because people always tell her wow, you might, you're so strong, you know. And she's like, I don't want to be that anymore. I've been doing that for a long time, fighting this, and it's, you know, she doesn't want to do that. So I just thought it was a really candid conversation about somebody who's going through something that, you know, the first times were probably like, debilitating and crushing, and this time it's almost, it's got to be, like, some kind of a routine at this point.

Lesley Logan 19:08  

I mean, I think we just talked about, like, how she didn't even tell them right away, because it's like, you just don't like, you just don't even want to, like, go through the things that people are going to say.

Brad Crowell 19:17  

We all know what they're going to say. I mean, we've, we've done it with our pets, you know and, you know. And I'm not, I'm not carrying them in that way. But the the recurring trauma of something that's tragic happening a second time, you know, I can only imagine what, yeah, you know, a fourth time, you know, so I just wanted to say thank you for asking it the way you did. And Amy, thanks for being candid and being willing to share. And you know.

Lesley Logan 19:45  

Also, like, I don't we were like, we would talk before the episode started and it didn't come up. No. And so I was like, oh, Jesus fuck. Like, you know shouldn't tell. And also, and here's the other thing, that it's really important for us to hear, at no point did I go. She never told me, like, as, if you know what I mean, like, like, it's an affront. You should have told me, how come you didn't tell me. It's like, I think it's, you know.

Brad Crowell 20:08  

That's like, narcissism. 

Lesley Logan 20:09  

I, I don't even, it's, it might not mean you might not be a narcissist who does, who says that, and you still say, but like, it's, well, it's never, by the way, it's never about you. In fact, if, like, just okay, if you're someone in my life who I'm not calling it's probably not about you. It's probably me, most likely, 99.9% of the time, it's me. So you know, and so I if any of your friends are like me at all, it's also them, it's not you. So if it is you, you can just say, Hey, I'm actually a little surprised. And if it is me, I just want to know if it's not me. No, no need to say anything, but, like, it's probably not you, but so at no point did I think that, but I was just like, geez, this fucking sucks. She because she is so strong, but she's gonna be so tired, because people will always say to me, they're like, you're so resilient. It's like, I'm fucking tired of being resilient. So anyways, she's a badass. Let's get into some of the reasons why she is she said on body and identity, and this is another reason why I like the way that she talks about habits, because, like, she talks about it as embodying it. And I think I should have spot one of my clients the other day or the other another episode where she's like, I'm a healthy person, like, it's an identity that she wants to be, and a healthy person won't, like, cancel their Pilates session so I'm here even though I would prefer to be laying in bed, right? Like, so I was so proud of her. I was like, I'm so proud of you. Because, like, that's how you can that's how you can make changes in your life. It doesn't have to be habits. I make changes. And so she said on embodied identity, you have got to show up as the person you want to be. And so for Amy, she talked about how she puts on her makeup and she does her hair, and she consciously avoids verbalizing her pain or fatigue with what she's going through, managing her stage four cancer, because she's really focusing on your body goes in the direction you speak to it. Your body goes in the direction you speak to it. We've all heard like, where your energy goes. That's where it flows, right like, so you can focus on all the negative things that are happening in your life. And guess what you're gonna see all the negative things. And guess what you're watering all the you're literally watering the negative things. But if you're focusing on, and it's not a toxic positivity type of focus, but if you're focusing on showing up as the person you want to be, and putting your focus in that direction, it is going to get you there. And she said, she said she emphasized the power of maintaining her appearance as a tool to influence her self-perception. So I love this. I do this too, because whenever I feel a little tired, we'll run down if I look in the room like, oh, I didn't get dressed today, of course, like, but maybe it's I also I didn't sleep. But, like.

Brad Crowell 22:49  

I know what you mean, you just kind of, you know, roll out of bed and keep going and (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 22:53  

Some days it happens and you're like, oh, no wonder I'm feeling like, not myself. You put everything on. And even if that doesn't solve the world's problems, it kind of you look at yourself in the mirror, you go, I look good, right? Like, I look great. So she said, not many people realize that it's a big superpower. You want to see reflection of who you're wanting to be feeling like, like in the mirror, you know? So I think some people can get a little weird about, like, oh, putting on makeup and doing my hair. Like, that's so superficial. It's not, guys. Yes, there are people that are superficial who do that, but like, for most of us, it is kind of the thing that helps us show up more as the person we want to be because we're fighting on the outside.

Brad Crowell 23:33  

You know, it's like, I think corporate usually it's weird about it, because every you know, it can become like, a competition and stuff. But like, you know, there is a reason that people wear a suit and tie in a corporate environment, right. It changes the way you you it's supposed to change the way you act. 

Lesley Logan 23:53  

Yeah, yeah. There's a reason why there's uniforms at schools. It's like, kind of so that everyone is, like, not in pajamas at school. But also, like, you know, supposedly supposed to help people, like, not be wanting to be each other. But like, kind of also like this, if it's your job to go to school, like, then you have to wear uniform, you know. So I get it. 

Brad Crowell 24:10  

I definitely have found myself changing my shirt before I get on Zoom calls now where I'm like, you know, like, my old T shirts aren't really my vibe anymore, and as much as I enjoy them for, you know, running around or, you know, weekend, yard work, they're, they're the wrong vibe for when I'm coaching or I'm on a call or whatever. And, yeah, it definitely gives you a different perception of yourself.

Lesley Logan 24:35  

Yeah. And I think, like, I just think that, you know, a lot of a lot of us are taking notes from people who maybe what they're saying means well. Like, especially if you're like, oh my God, I have to spend so much time getting ready every day. Yeah, you don't need that stuff. But like, if you are trying to feel like a more positive person who feels strong and as a leader, like these things can help. You know, Dr Celeste Holbrook calls that she calls them harm reduction acts, like she would love to not wear makeup, and she would love to not have to put on a clothes that match, but for her to get her message out, she understands that there is a way that she needs to show up, and if she shows up that way, she reduces the harm she could get in the comments. And so she also, like, does this thing in the morning, so that she can put these things on, so can show up in the way that she wants to be received, so that she can give her message out there. So there's so many different reasons to have things that help you show up as the identity that you want to be. So you can actually do the thing that you want to do. 

Brad Crowell 25:41  

Yeah, well, that, that leads pretty straight into what I enjoyed, what she was talking about. She was talking about, how we, how do we create change in ourselves, and how do we, you know, habit forming, and all that kind of stuff, the self-talk, the way that we we what we're thinking. It's really interesting, because I'm like, super analytical and a little bit sarcastic is the wrong word, but cynical is the right word, right? So I'm a little bit cynical. So, you know, I feel like there can be this dissidence of like, oh, when I say these happy things, I'm still lying to myself, because it's not reality. But what, what she's talking about were, was basically the way that you say the things to your brain really matters, and it really needs to be identity shifting, the things that you say to yourself. So like, for example, what I've noticed this is just very basic, but if I wake up and I go, I feel tired. I probably feel tired all day. But if I wake up and I and I say, I'm ready to go, then I'm going to be ready to go all day. You know, especially if you're like, I feel good, I feel good. I'm ready. Let's do this right? And so in that same vein, she advocates for scripting or writing out your day as if you were already your future self. So this is like future casting, right? And this is also like, you know, you call it manifesting, or whatever, but the idea is that you're who is it that you want it to be? Who do you want to be? Who do you how do you want to operate? You know, how do you want to think if you create a script for that, you know? And she talks about, you know, I am someone who is good at making decisions, and I make decisions that benefit my myself, my future, my family, and, you know, every decision that I make is helps lead us towards the path that we're going down. This kind of a thing where it doesn't, it's, you know, it certainly can be right? And she said, script this, because what happens is you're rewiring your brain, right? She said, your brain doesn't actually see the difference between your future self being a scripted version of yourself and the current self, right? And what you're doing. She said, since 91% of your thoughts are repetitive, which is crazy, because I thought it was only 80s, she said, 91. 

Lesley Logan 25:42  

I think it's probably 91. 

Brad Crowell 25:42  

She said, consciously scripting is a new you know, your new reality is essential for breaking away from old patterns. And you're trying to show that you can change. You know you're you're changing who you are and when you as you're scripting this, whatever it is going to be for the future, this mantra that you're going to create for yourself, there will come a point that you're you start to adopt it in the way that you think. So it might sound cheesy and weird, but give it a try. You know, I think this is actually really interesting.

Lesley Logan 26:51  

Yeah. I actually really like this. And I think, like, for the people who are like, I'm so busy, you can do this on a commute, because you can just talk to text. You can just talk to text.

Brad Crowell 27:54  

Yeah, well, I but I think the idea is that if you're scripting it, you want to read it. 

Lesley Logan 28:02  

Well, you know, but talk to text, then you can read it. Like, if you don't have if you're like, my morning is so busy, It's so chaotic, I got to get everybody out of the door, you could then, on your way to work, talk to text and a note on your phone. Here's how my days here's how my day went to it's the end of the day. Here's how my day went. Like you're scripting the day, right? And then when you get to your desk, you can just read it. You already wrote it. 

Brad Crowell 26:04  

I don't quite think that's what she means. I think she's saying. 

Lesley Logan 26:51  

You have to handwrite it. 

Brad Crowell 26:51  

No, she's saying, map it out. It's your thing that you do as your it's the same thing. You repeat it every day. It's the same one. 

Lesley Logan 26:51  

Oh, you're doing the same one every single day.

Brad Crowell 26:51  

You're creating a script, and you're retraining your brain and the way that you think. So, how is it that you want to think, let's write these things down? 

Lesley Logan 27:03  

If you're already your future self.

Brad Crowell 29:23  

Right. As if you were already your future self? Oh, okay, I like what you're talking about. Because what you're talking about is, is more like the brain dump kind of a thing of like, almost like the morning, morning pages slash notes.

Lesley Logan 29:49  

How this amazing day is going to be, well, you could still do this part. You could still do it voice to text. You just have to the same one every time. 

Brad Crowell 29:49  

Right. But then you have to remember it. So. 

Lesley Logan 29:49  

I think you will, I think you'll even get more (inaudible) you probably can get better at it. I think you probably even get more details and more nuances, and the smells and the sounds will be there. Yeah, I'm just trying to help the people out who are like, look, I know what they're gonna say, Brad, they're gonna say, I don't have time to do this every morning. No time. So I'm trying to give them the permission to find a way. 

Brad Crowell 30:20  

Let's change that. The I don't have time thing, I don't, I don't. I think that we're making it lot bigger than it needs to be. Like, okay, maybe the first time you have to spend some time thinking about who you want to be yourself. But you need to do that anyway. Yeah, right. So one, you know, but I think your mantra could literally be two sentences or five sentence. It doesn't have to be paragraphs. We're talking about, you know, something that you can build into your morning routine as a habit, and it becomes a habit, you know. And maybe it's when you're brushing your teeth you see, you know, the note on the mirror that says daily mantra, or daily you know, you know, identity shifting, or whatever it is that you, you know.

Lesley Logan 31:02  

Yeah, you could put it somewhere where you could read it every morning and every night. I like that.

Brad Crowell 31:05  

Yeah. I mean, I don't even think you need to write it out and stick it on the mirror. You could, but even on your phone. You just need something like, You need to like Lesley says, tie it to something that you do daily so that you're gonna see it like, for example, the making coffee and doing push ups while I'm waiting for the coffee to brew.

Lesley Logan 31:23  

I like it while you're brushing your teeth, because you do probably do that twice a day. I like it being on the mirror and not on your phone so you don't get distracted. My ADHD, as soon as they open their phone, they're getting fucking lost and they're somewhere else. 

Brad Crowell 31:35  

I think that's wise. 

Lesley Logan 31:36  

And if they don't update that note every day, then the note gets buried. So like, let's just put it on paper on your mirror, and you can read it twice a day while you're brushing your teeth, because while you're brushing your teeth, you're like, man, two minutes is a long time. It's a long time. So what if you read it for the whole two minutes?

Brad Crowell 31:51  

What if, I mean again, it doesn't have to be two minutes long. It could just be a few sentences. 

Lesley Logan 31:51  

No, it could be a few sentences that you read over and over again for two minutes. 

Brad Crowell 31:58  

Yeah, that's cool. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into some really great Be It Action Items that Amy shared with us like she's a powerhouse, y'all, I'm very continuously impressed by her. 

Lesley Logan 32:10  

I know. 

Brad Crowell 32:10  

Yeah, well, we'll be right back. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Amy Ledin? So funny enough, I'm going to let you say what she got excited about. But she she also said she's got this interesting framework that she created about habit building, and she calls it five for 50, okay? And, yeah, I thought this was clever. I know there, you know there's you talk a little bit differently about the length of time it takes to build a habit. 

Lesley Logan 32:45  

Yeah. I actually this idea. Cares thing (inaduible) 

Brad Crowell 32:49  

Wait, wait, let me tell the idea. Okay, so 5 for 50, what is it? 5 for 50, you're picking five specific things that you want to turn into habits, and you're going to perform these habits for 50 consecutive days in a row, right? So little redundant there consecutive means in a row. So 50 consecutive days you're going to perform these five specific habits that you want to change. And there's one caveat, four out of five of those must be things you genuinely intend to continue to do long term. So you're not picking five things that you might want to try out. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about four of the things you definitely want to build into your life. And the fifth thing, maybe that's the thing you want to try out, right? And the examples that she gave were, she has a 26 year old son who was like, I really want to learn to draw. And he he said, I'm going to do it for 30 minutes every day. And and after a few days, he was like, whoa, this is overkill. I I'm not an amazing (inaudible) I reduced it to 10 minutes a day, but he still did it 10 minutes a day for 50 days.

Lesley Logan 33:52  

Yeah, and that. And so she does give there's a you have the first week to adjust the habit so I. 

Brad Crowell 33:59  

Increased his time because he got really into drawing. And by the end of 50 days, she said he was like, Michael Jordan of drawing, yeah, yeah, yeah. She said it's amazing what you can do. You know, you know how you know whether it's playing the guitar or whatever it is, you know, the but the so the fifth habit is reserved for personal growth area that the person wants to explore. This will allow you to dabble in it, to see if it's something you'd like to continue to, you know, without the pressure of a forever commitment. So for her, it was getting back into journaling. She's like, you know, I used to do it. I was really intentional about it before I got out of the habit of it. And like, I kind of want to do it, but I'm not really sure if I want to do it again. So she was like, I'm going to add that in as my fifth thing. So, you know, and, yeah, that seven day window gives you time to redefine, redefine those agreements. There's 50 those five things over the 50 days, you know, if the initial commitment proves too much. And I thought, I thought this was kind of clever and and so that said, I wanted to check in with you, Lesley, because you said, oh, I started learning Tarot. 

Lesley Logan 34:47  

Yeah, tarot. 

Brad Crowell 34:49  

Tarot, I said, tarot. 

Lesley Logan 35:00  

I know, like I'm rowing a boat, like I'm learning to row, yeah, tarot, yeah. I'm still learning it. I'm still learning it. I have missed a few days on the return of our, of our coming here, but I actually, except for, according to the app, I missed a couple times. I think that's because of the plane. Like, I, you know, I actually do believe I did it on the days that I did it, but, like, it was like, you missed it, but I actually did almost 50 days in a row on that and I am not a little hiatus, because we have to get back to life. And it just was like, Okay, this is actually filling a job and not like a hobby and so, but I love it. I'm really into it. And I just, I'm really excited, because I just got a notification that this 2026 journal is coming, and it's like a daily Tarot journal, so it will help me with my because with Tarot, you have to, like, immerse yourself in it, to learn it. You know, like, you got to learn the cards, but then you got to draw the cards. And so I'm trying to find these different ways to make sure it's around me. So it's easy to do sure, but I am loving this. This is really fun for me, and it's also really interesting when I tell people I'm learning it, because they're like, oh, are you new readings? And it's like, no, no, no, not everything that I do is going to become something I get paid to do. This is for me, doing it for myself, but I but I actually like, I really like, here's the thing. We can all talk about the same thing in different ways, and some people are going to love it, and some really love other things. I actually really like the way that B.J. does habits, which is what I'm going to go into the rest of the of the month. That being said, this might be exactly what you want to do. Or you can actually go, Hmm, I wonder what my five habits would be. You can actually use what I am doing the next the for the next month to come up with your 5 for 50. And then starting on day one of the year, you could go through the first 50 days of the year using Amy's, so you can actually do both.

Brad Crowell 37:05  

Sure, I dig it. Well. Anyway, I thought that. I thought it was a good like, I love it. It's a good challenge. You know, it's a challenge, but it's a good one. 

Lesley Logan 37:12  

And I think it, I think it is a challenge, and you're not. It's not like, they do this every 50 days where they start new things, like they, they do this and then like they, I think if she said it was a couple times a year, it's like, not like, every 50 days, like, Okay, it's time for our new 5 for 50. Like, you've run out of things to do. So my Be It Action Items, she is so clever, she actually used her DACs and the Be It acronym. So.

Brad Crowell 37:36  

DACs are the daily action commitments, which for her were cards that she was writing on. 

Lesley Logan 37:41  

Yeah, like, those cute little like, recipe cards, yeah. So B is bold, pick one agreement that matters. So your bold action, and that she is saying is, pick an agreement that matters, and then you're gonna do E, which is executable, write it in real words, not vague words, be specific on what you're shooting for. And then I the intrinsic is link it to how you want it to feel, not how much you want to weigh or how much you want to make. So like, not anything like external, but how you want, how that one thing is going to make you feel on the inside. And then T targeted, start today, not someday, be very specific of when you're going to start doing the thing. So I thought that was, like, a really fun way for her to use her DACs with the Be It. I was like, oh, look at that, be it till you see it right there.

Brad Crowell 38:29  

Yeah, it's I thought it was quite clever.

Lesley Logan 38:32  

Yeah, I know. I love when people give me my acronym back. I don't want to make it a rule, but, like, it does make me smile. I'm not saying anything guests who are listening to this that maybe you should do it, but, but it's really good. I can't believe it's been 555 episodes. 

Brad Crowell 38:52  

Wait. 

Lesley Logan 38:53  

She was on Episode five.

Brad Crowell 38:54  

Yeah, this is episode 611.

Lesley Logan 38:56  

I know, but she was on episode she was on episode 610 so she, it's been 555 from her. 

Brad Crowell 39:02  

605 baby. 

Lesley Logan 39:06  

Oh, nailing it. Nailing it on these episodes (inaudible) wow. I, like, don't even have my brain doubled down on that, like, I doubled down on that, and I really was like, oh, that's 555, that equals 610, five, five plus five. That's 10. Really, this is why I actually write down math when I do it and not do it in my head. Anyways.

Brad Crowell 39:37  

We listen to a pod where he says, I don't do live math so but yeah, maybe we should adopt that.

Lesley Logan 39:43  

Clearly I don't do live math. All right, I am Lesley Logan, and I, I am imperfect. Clearly from this episode,

Brad Crowell 39:51  

I'm Brad Crowell. Thanks for being here.

Lesley Logan 39:51  

Yeah, make sure you share this with a friend who needs to hear it. It's really, really great. And also we want to hear, Amy's gonna want to hear, especially like, did you do 5 and 50? Did you pick an agreement? Did you do anything like share it with her. I know she'll love to hear it, and it will inspire her and empower you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 40:11  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 40:12  

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Lesley Logan reconnects with fat loss and mindset coach Amy Ledin to talk about the habits that actually stick in midlife. Amy shares how she’s been navigating stage four cancer while still honoring her values, her energy, and the daily agreements that keep her grounded. Together, they revisit her 5 for 50 habit framework, explore the power of future self scripting, and break down why identity work—not willpower—is what creates change that lasts and helps you become the person who follows through.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Amy returned to routines and promises after her cancer recurrence.
• Why she created 5 for 50 and how doing it as a family builds confidence.
• How choosing a “test habit” and adjusting early makes hard habits feel doable.
• Why creating a health character and using rehearsal scripts rewires old loops.
• How changing your environment reduces decision fatigue and supports long-term habits.

Episode References/Links:

• Amy Ledin's Website - https://www.leanbodiesconsulting.com
• Amy Ledin's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/amy_ledin
• Lean Bodies Consulting's - https://facebook.com/leanbodiesconsulting
• F* It Podcast - https://beitpod.com/fitpod
• Episode 5: Amy Ledin - https://beitpod.com/amyledin
• Atomic Habits by James Clear - https://a.co/d/874dad4
• Book: Your Big Leap Year by Gay Hendricks - https://a.co/d/ick374u
• Journey To The Heart by Melody Beattie - https://a.co/d/fT1sQ1c
• Willpower Doesn't Work by Benjamin Hardy - https://a.co/d/f5KQW2v
• Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It by Kamal Ravikant - https://a.co/d/8jKmYAh
• Nicole Lepera - https://theholisticpsychologist.com

Guest Bio:

Amy Ledin is redefining what it means for midlife women to “look like they train.” As a coach and entrepreneur, she combines strength training, simplified nutrition, and deep mindset work to help women create bodies that reflect their discipline, not their diets. Through her unique tools; the Meal Card Method, Daily Agreement Cards, and Breakthrough Rehearsal Scripts, Amy helps women escape the all-or-nothing loop, rebuild consistency, and sustain results for life.

A stage four non–small cell lung cancer fighter, Amy brings a rare blend of resilience and realness to everything she teaches, grounding her coaching in lived experience rather than perfection. She’s also a devoted mom of five, a podcaster, and a community leader who believes identity work is the true driver for change. Whether she’s guiding her clients or helping them script the actions of their “future self,” Amy’s mission is to help women trust themselves again. Her work continues to empower thousands of women to build confidence, honor their bodies, and follow through on the promises they make to themselves.

 

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Episode Transcript:

Amy Ledin 0:00  

My business character, I named her Amy Blakely. It's after Sarah Blakely. I pretend that I try to show up as her because I'm not as outgoing and as creative and fun and bubbly as Sarah. But when I create that character, my current self doesn't see it as a threat if I just say I'm just playing this role, you know. I'm coming on the podcast, playing a role that helps me show up as my best self. Like, I think a lot of us like forget that we have to, you know, we got to do it enough to become it.

Lesley Logan 0:29  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

 

Lesley Logan 1:13  

Be It babe, holy moly, this episode is one for the books. I mean, her first one was one for the books. She's fabulous and she's amazing. We cover a lot of topics. You can insert whatever it is that you want to be until you see in for what we're talking about in these ideas. Basically, I wanted to have Amy Ledin back, and she is back, and, like, top notch, better than ever. And the reason is, is because we are going to do a really fun series on habits, and Amy is the queen of how she gets people to create habits that are not torturous and also that allow them to really become the person they want to be. And I mean, every different example is a be it till you see it. So this week, it'll be Amy Ledin plus a recap, and then next week I'll kick off a series on how I help people with habits. There are two different ways, but you then can choose the adventure that works for you. And I'm really excited about it. I believe in what we just discussed in this episode so much, and I can't wait to hear what's coming. And then I want you to let us know, like, how are you doing? Are you able to make the habits to help you be it till you see it? So get ready, buckle up. We have a few weeks to talk about this topic. And first, it's the one and only Amy Ledin. 

Lesley Logan 2:24  

Okay, Be It babe. Holy frickin moly. I can't even believe it. I am so freaking excited to see the woman who's on my screen right now. Like, I have saw it on my day. Like, this, is it two o'clock yet? Is it two o'clock yet? Amy Ledin is back. Episode Five. Can you (inaudible) I don't know what number this is but it's over 600.

Amy Ledin 2:44  

Wow, that's crazy.

Lesley Logan 2:47  

I know. I know. And you, oh, I have to tell you this, Amy, my mom heard your episode when it came out. She literally still only talks about that one out of all the podcasts. She's like, that woman with the cards, that woman, and then you had, like, the boss, the boss bitch, and like something else, and she's still 

Amy Ledin 3:06  

Oh yeah, your inner bitch, inner boss. 

Lesley Logan 3:07  

Oh yes, she quotes you to this day. It's been four years. 

Amy Ledin 3:13  

I love it. I love it. 

Lesley Logan 3:15  

So Amy, in case people are new to us, which there's probably a lot of people. Can you remind them who you are and what you rock at? 

Amy Ledin 3:22  

Yes. Okay, so I'm Amy Ledin, as you know, and I am a fat loss and mindset coach, is what I would say. That's my forte. But I'm a podcaster. I'm a mom of five kids, you know, I'm a wife, a homeschool mom, you know, all the things you know, I'm someone that has overcome, you know, I've lost 90 pounds. I am a stage four non small cell lung cancer, you know, fighter. I am now, right now, I've been in remission. I wouldn't call real remission, but no evidence of active disease three times, and this fourth time that it's come back, it's spread to my brain. So I'm on all new medications. So I would say that's the biggest update since the last time I've been on here. But I am, you know, I am a perimenopause, menopause, you know, menopause coach, and that's because my audience is growing up with me. You know, I'm 47 so I'm in the thick of it as well. So I'd say that's who I am.

Lesley Logan 4:18  

Oh my gosh, Amy, I had no idea it had gone into the brain. That is because Brad and I were like, I wonder how she's doing. I wonder if she's back in remission. That has to be hard. Like, is it hard, I mean, or maybe you just don't want to feel sorry, like, maybe it gets annoying to feel sorry for yourself, like, I just want to, like, do you mind if we chat about it a little bit?

Amy Ledin 4:34  

It is annoying and no, and you know what? I love that you're just like, you ask it, because people don't. So it's been almost a year since I found out that it had spread, and it was a shock. Like, I was really shocked. In fact, I was coming back to my podcast. I'd already recorded several episodes, and then I got that news, and I just, it really did knock me. I really got this, like, just attitude of just, I was really angry. Like, I'm like, I don't get it. Like, what am I doing wrong, which is just the wrong attitude. But that took me a few months to kind of feel sorry for myself. And then it was like going back to all the things that you know I needed to do to, you know, all the things that I always did before. You know, my keeping my promises and having a routine and building these habits and really living in a future, you know, like living as if I am already there. And you know, that helped me kind of come back. But I will say, you know, it's really only been a couple months of me really feeling like myself again, because I've just been battling a lot of that, you know, loops of just, you know, panic and fear, and am I going to be lucky this time? And you know, all of that, so, you know, it's then I've really had to, honestly, just get into a high gear. And this is what I'm always good at, is when, you know, shit hits the fan. I am someone that does the opposite of what most do, and that is, they, they just crumble. Like I said, I had three, I say three months of, like, feeling sorry for myself. I was still operating at what would probably be someone else's like, 85% I think where mine came in was when I don't believe in myself, like, or if I'm having that fear, I can't do, say, podcasting, because it was one of the areas that I have to be super authentic. So it's the first thing that actually goes off the books, and it's actually the thing that I used to love the most, because it was, like my therapy, so I almost have to be in full alignment for me to come back. So like, right now I'm getting ready to relaunch, and I'm actually excited for the first time, because I'm like, Okay, I'm living it. I can share because, you know, you know this yourself, like it's an energy transfer that you're doing right now with other people, and so it is all about having the right energy to really get into that person. And so that's kind of, you know, where, it has been hard. But you know what, like, what makes me feel the best is showing up at a very super high level, levels that people would say, why are you even trying this? And that is just because I am proving that you can do so much.

Lesley Logan 7:04  

Yeah, I love what you said, like, you know, living as if I'm there, because that's the whole be it till you see it motto, right? Like, it's just, like, we're just getting there. And I just think, like, it's, I feel you in that, like, when something doesn't go my way, like, I am also very good at hitting, like, hitting the fifth gear. Like, when Covid happened, we were in the air coming back from Cambodia. I was like, okay, hold on, what don't they have? They need this. Oh, I can do that. Okay, there's that, right? And that's how we bought this house. Recently, we had a situation, and we got the worst news in the entire world, and the first thing for me to shut down is like, I have to, we talked about this before we hit record, I have to add value. I have to be on integrity. I have to have integrity with my word like that is such a value of mine. So we're going to even though we weren't allowed, what happened is, we're turning around the border with the right paperwork and the right permit, and they still wouldn't let us in. I was like, we're still going to do the event. We're still going to operate integrity. They're still getting everything that they wanted. They just don't get to hug me in 3d but I'm still going to do it. But the thing that had to go away is I couldn't show up on Instagram because I, like, all I wanted to do was, like, cry and go, like, this fucking sucks. But I'm not that person that I'm not the person who does that this fucking sucks. I'm the person who's like, Okay, this is what I went through, and this is what I did, and this is what I'm doing, right? So not that, like, my situation is all brain cancer. I want to make sure the listeners here, I heard that. I can hear that, but like, I can understand, like having to let go of something you love or that you enjoy doing, or that as an outlet for people to get to know you until you're in a place where you can go, okay, how am I going to operate in this way? 

Amy Ledin 8:36  

Well, and no one wants, I mean, I'm not saying it needs to be like this toxic positivity, but day in and day out of someone just like being boohoo is also not a place that's really going to serve anyone, especially myself. I'm really not a big believer in sitting in it, so even when I'm in pain, my family knows I'm rarely going to tell you that I'm hurting or that I'm tired. Just know that's pretty much always for me. But why would I verbalize things like, I mean, your body goes to the direction that you speak to it, and so I just don't do that. So I'll take on the makeup, and I will do my hair and those things, because I see my reflection all day long. I really believe that's a big superpower that people don't realize. Like, you want to see a reflection of what you want to be feeling like, I don't feel that great. But when I see that other reflection of like, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, versus man, if I didn't do anything, I think it just make me start to go more downhill. And I mean, everybody's different, but I'm a really big believer you got to show up as the person you want to be. 

Lesley Logan 9:37  

Yeah, I love that, and it's true. Like, I not only do I it's not about toxic positivity. We had a really great episode about, like, happiness, and I was, I interviewed her, like, when there was the fires in California, and I said, you know, like, there's a bunch of people who like, why their houses are burning down. They're like, this is gonna mean something. And I'm like, that's not feeling your feelings. Like, yes, I do believe that everything does happen for a reason. I do believe that like, when doors close, it's because another door is going to open. Like, of course, but in the moment, you are allowed to feel the feeling. 

Amy Ledin 10:06  

(inaudible) time. 

Lesley Logan 10:07  

Yeah, like, feel your feelings. 

Amy Ledin 10:09  

No one needs to tell me as I'm getting the news. Amy, this is because you know what, you can handle it. You know what I'm about ready to like, I'm, you know, that was the biggest thing that I really got tired of people like, oh my gosh, you're so strong. Like, I'm actually tired of being strong. You know what I mean?

Lesley Logan 10:25  

I do know what you mean. I'm going to say you're so resilient. I don't check on you. I'm like, I'm so tired of being resilient over it. But I do, I do think that, like, at what I also cannot handle is, like, why I can't be the person who's like, going to tell you what I'm going through in the process. I don't want the apologies. I don't want the I'm sorry for you. I don't want any of that stuff, because now I have to respond to that, because now I have to say, thank you.

Amy Ledin 10:52  

Well, I didn't even actually, and, you know, trust me, I'm going through therapy for this exact thing is, I actually didn't tell my family for a few months. I wanted to get like, several treatments, and my, not my, not my immediate family, like Mike's, like my parents and stuff, because I didn't want to go through that cycle right there. I wanted to already have an answer for, like, this is the diagnosis. This is what we're doing. I've already been doing it, and I've even had XYZ because I didn't, you know, you'll not see anything online about it, you know. You know, in our own private, you know, we have a paid group of women, 550 women, that, obviously I did, because I'd lost a lot between one of our training blocks, and I knew they'd see it in the filming. I film every round, you know, videos, and so I was open with them. But otherwise, I'm not that way, because I don't like the I don't like, to go through the phase of, like, let me give you, you know, I'm, I don't need that. 

Lesley Logan 11:45  

Yeah. Well, also, like, it's, you know, you have to feel the feelings. You can grieve, the things that, like, were what you were expecting. And then it's true, we have to go. So what can I do? Like, what are the actions that I can take? Like, what is gonna what if I'm in pain all day, like, what can I do to make myself feel good and like, I agree, like, my days are better when I, like, Get up and get dressed for the day and put things on and like, go, okay, whoa. You know, we nailed that. 

Amy Ledin 12:11  

Yeah. And I mean movement, like, I've had some really rough times over this last year where I've had to learn that if you get no mobility at all, it actually just increases that, the aches, the pains, you know, I had, I think it was like three days that I actually did not leave the house. And finally, like day three of my goal was just to get to the end of our driveway. And I just started to think, like, I mean, even if it's small, that is so much better than and getting sunlight, and, you know, all the things that just, really, honestly, I think, help our body. We're kind of like a plant that we need to, like, get out and, like, get in some soil, and, you know, so that's something that, you know, really, I think, is important, you know, as well. 

Lesley Logan 12:55  

Yeah, I know, like, a body in motion, like, stays in motion, right? Like, it's easier for me. Yeah, I came home from my tour, and my girlfriend saw me like that next morning at the gym. She's like, wow, you're so good at being consistent. I'm like, first of all, I do have a trainer that will not renew with me if I don't check this off on the app. Second, I paid for it, so we're gonna do it. Third, if I use the excuse, oh, I just got home or I have a trip, I will never have, oh, consistent workout, and then I'm always having to start again, and then that is just like, never gonna feel good.

Amy Ledin 13:30  

And I say that to clients that I'm like, think about the person that's traveling all the time, like you're taking five days to land back into your life from a trip, and then like, five more days to get, like, recalibrated and like, that's just, you know, wasted time, right? So, yeah, and, I mean, you know this yourself, like, having habits, having routine, having structure, is just one more thing that I think helps, like, even your body feel at peace. At least for me, like, that's the last thing I need to be worrying about, is that. So it just feels good to get right back into like, I need to make sure I'm getting my walks in. I need to make sure I'm getting, like, my sleep routine, you know, like, that's a skill in itself, right?

Lesley Logan 14:09  

Yes. Well, that that is, I mean, like, everyone's like, how's it gonna be back? You must be tired. I'm like, oh no, well rested. Very behind on emails, because my sleep is going to come before my emails. But thank you so like, I'm well rested, all of my all of my Pilates, all of my weight training, all happened, not the emails, you know, you gotta have priorities. 

Amy Ledin 14:30  

(inaudible) with the self-care. 

Lesley Logan 14:31  

Yeah, so, okay, so you brought it up. So kicking off a habits block, because I hate the new year, new you stuff. It's not my favorite thing. I know you like, I've heard you talk about, like, upgrades. Like, I think that each year is a time for us to reflect. And like, we can think about the change what I'm bringing into the new year, but like, you're still you going into the new year with more experiences and and, and also smarter, because you've hopefully reflected on those and you've thought about these things, you experienced them. So I wanted to help people, like, understand how they can be it till they see it with their habits. And of course, you come to mind because people loved Episode Five. It's probably one of the most cited episodes we've had. It's come up many times. People still talk about it. But what are some of the tools that you use to to have habits? Because, my goodness, like, even with you've got five kids, you've got a business, you home school like you have to have habits or probably nothing gets done.

Amy Ledin 15:24  

Totally and we actually do it as a family. So I'm a big believer, you know, habits are not sexy because they need to be forever. So I'm a big believer in that you've got to make your habits fun, and you got to get creative around gamifying things that help you, like, level up. So you have your like, daily habits that you want to eventually just become forever things like, for me, it's like a daily walk, you know, three liters of water, like things that I just want to be background noise, but for a season, I mean, I may need to put them, like right front and center. And so we started creating something that we call 5 for 50 and it's five habits for 50 days. And the reason we do this is you pick five habits. But the key is, it's five that you need to do for the full 50 days, and four of them you have to intend to keep long term, like, don't start something for 49 days or 50 days that you don't really think maybe, you know, it might be a smaller version of that, but it's daily things. And so we do it as a family, you know, sometimes twice a year, typically like when mom's going through something hard, and I'm like, hey, you know what? Let's do 5 for 50 as a family. Because I always know, then we push ourselves like we just, I mean, I just feel better about myself. And so. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 16:35  

And also it sounds like it gives you something else to focus on. You know. 

Amy Ledin 16:38  

It is and and it's fun to see what the kids do like we so we did four that you wanted to do indefinitely, and the fifth one was some personal growth area where you want to dabble in it to see if it's like something you like. So, like one of my son, my 26 year old, he did that he had to draw for 30 minutes every day for, you know, 50 days. You know, my other daughter did guitar. And it also taught them that, like, wow, when you do, you know the compounding effect of this habit over time. And so I like, you know what I like about a timeline on something again, is that habits aren't sexy. They get boring for people. And so when you gamify, or when you do something where you're like, okay, I have a block, I have a start and a finish, what you're hoping at the finish is to drop those off of like you're right in front of you, writing down, and they just have become part of, like, your identity. They've just they you're now just pulled to do those things, because they've just become automatic. Now I test myself once I take them off, if I see that they're not I might reintroduce that like on say, like my DAC cards that I talked about on Episode Five, where I then write them in a structure of, like, these are the things that I'm keeping promises to during the day, but the Five For HIT 50 is really it's a habit one, there I tell my kids, I'm like, these are things that you know, maybe you're even doing them, but now you want to do them with like perfection, because you know how you do anything is how you do everything. Like, I tell people, I anchor my morning with my bed making. And it's funny, because when I make my bed, I literally take everything off. Like, Eric's like, is it seriously that, you know, necessary, to do? I'm like, yes, because it is a metaphor for how I want my day to go and how I want to treat myself, and that I don't cut corners. I don't I treat it like it's a hotel bed where I want the sheet sure. could I pull, like, we hardly move some nights where I literally could probably pull it back, but there's probably some little scenes down in the bottom. And I do find this. I find that it takes I've set a timer once, it only takes me, like three minutes and like 32 seconds, and I'm like the whole time I say mantras to myself, but I say this is a metaphor for how I want to show up. So I tell my kids, maybe they're habits you're already doing. Maybe you're brushing your teeth morning and night, but maybe it's going to be morning and night for the full two minutes, you know, with intention or whatever it may be, right? And what the kids see is these little things that become measurable really build your confidence. They start to think outside of what those are. And they're like, big fingers, you know, I find that my kids start coming up with ideas of, like, businesses, and that's just because they're believing in themselves. You know, like my daughter, she's like, I'm gonna sign up for soccer. And I'm like, Oh, really. Because she's like, going into high school and she's never played, and this was Leilani this last year, and I'm like, I'm so proud of her. 

Lesley Logan 19:21  

She's going to high school? 

Amy Ledin 19:23  

She's grade nine. Can you believe that?

Lesley Logan 19:25  

I can't Amy because I thought I haven't aged a bit. 

Amy Ledin 19:30  

Yeah. So she, and she decided that, you know, out of the blue, that she wanted to start that, and I knew a lot of it had to do with doing these types of personal development things, where, when you can start measuring these habits like it's inevitable you're going to feel better about yourself. I mean anything from like Atomic Habits that I learned was when you start to even if it's two push ups a day, it's measuring that and seeing that compound effect over time. And it's not about the push ups. I tell people, it's what it represents that you do what you say you're going to do, and that you do it to the fullest. They're not like, half assed, like, that's why when I say what you write, you respect it, like, when you say you're gonna make your bed every morning. Don't just, like, throw it, because that's really how you're going to show up in all these other areas. Are you going to be the person that cuts the corner? Or are you the person that it's like, when I say I'm doing it till 5:30 it's till 5:30. Do you know what I mean, it's not 5:28.

Lesley Logan 20:22  

I actually really like the idea of like, one of them can be one, you just like, are testing out. Because I do think that when people are creating like habits that they want in their perfectionist tendencies, it's like, it's got to be all or nothing, and they're not giving themselves this permission. It's almost like, let me see like for right now. So I interviewed a girl who talked about tarot, and I said, I've always wanted to know about tarot because I was like, never allowed to play with tarot and and she's like, she's like, she's like, yeah, tarot actually was in the church. It was a way for you to self-reflect. And I was like, oh, well, tell me more. She's like, yeah, no, it was way to self-reflect, and you can actually use it as a tool to kind of figure out what's going on in your heart and your mind. I was like, oh, what a cool way for me to journal. And I have ever since hearing from like, interviewing her. I'm like, maybe I so I was like, I want to learn this, but then when you go to learn something new, it's like, it's hard, it's hard to take in the new stuff when you got the other stuff. And so I've, like, tried different books, and I was like, okay, here's what I do. I'm going to take this app. I'm going to do it for 30 days, but now I'm going to just put as my five for 50, and I'm going to see if, after 50 days, do I still want to learn this. Because it's also okay for me to say, you know, that was interesting and I didn't do what I wanted to do, and that's okay, you know, we can let things go, but we gave it our full effort.

Amy Ledin 21:38  

And telling your brain you can stop it at 50. Some of these long term habits that, like, let's say meditation, like, let's say you've wanted to dabble in it, but you're like, the idea of knowing it's something you really should implement forever kind of just seems like daunting. I'll be honest. Like, I'm like, oh crap, something I gotta do forever. Let's just wait to do that. But if you tell me, hey, just dabble in it for 50 days, see how you feel now be 100% for those 50 days, because that's the key. Like, it is crazy what happens when you go all in on anything, even if it's five minutes, if you're like, Hey, I'm going to just for five minutes a day, do this like our kids, because we let them choose the duration, and we did allow them within the first week of once we started it, you could change like, like, my one son, he was like, 30 minutes of drawing every day was just too much. I realized within the first few days that like sitting there with something that I'm not even, like, familiar with yet, because he's, like, he's 26 trying to get into it. So he and me, within the first week, we let them redefine the agreement you don't want to wait too long, because sometimes that's just your voice of compromise going, oh, so that's why it's like a seven day window. We say, okay, you've got seven days to come back to the drawing board. And I think he shortened his by 15 to 15 because he's like, realistically, I'm gonna hate it if I tell myself this, whereas, like my other kid was like, I'm gonna bump mine to 20 minutes, because 10 is not long enough or, you know, but it was really good for them to see what they were doing. But the compounding effect, like, I think we had one kid that decided to do, like the tennis bound like every day, just practice the hand eye coordination, which honestly made me realize, gosh, I need to do this, because my hand eye is not that great. He did this for 50 days. You become like a Michael Jordan, like, it is the compounding effect that people do not realize. Like, all you got to do is do something consecutively and like, over and over to get good, but knowing there's an end in sight, like, it helped me get back into journaling. Because I was like, okay, I just got to do it for 50 days. Let's see if this really is, like, worth doing the rehearsal scripts. And at the 50 days, I was like, holy crap. Like, it's actually making me feel better, you know, but I wouldn't have given it a shot, because I'm like, I don't want to add another thing into my life. 

Lesley Logan 23:42  

I love that you said that Amy, because I think you and I, one of the things that, like, we became fast friends, is like, we are committers. We say we're if we say we're gonna do something, we're gonna do it. We show up for it. We have a lot of habits that we're really good at. Some, because we're humans, we like, go up. But I it's also like, for me, I'm like, hold on before I say I'm gonna do that. Like, where is that going to end in my day? Because I don't want to be like, I didn't do that today, because I hate that feeling like, that is my worst feeling. So I too, am like, okay, hold on. But it's like, oh, for 50 days. Well, then I can really see if I like it, and I can also see if I got good at it. I could also see, like, you know, it didn't really change anything. So I can let it go.

Amy Ledin 24:21  

Totally. And writing it in a scripting way, like I find, like, even with my DACs, one area that I've changed with myself is the way you say things to your brain really matters, and it really needs to be identity shifting, and that you're like, I want to, I'm going to, you know, practice the guitar for 30 minutes every day for 50 days, because I want to show myself that committing to something that typically I resist because it's hard and there's a learning curve, like, go on with the details to yourself so that sticks more, because every day, like growth is hard, like I, I hate to break it to people. It's the only place, I mean, like, hardness is where you actually grow. And, I mean, it freaking sucks, like, when this came back and people are like, Oh, you'll grow. I'm like, you know, I don't want to, but I actually can appreciate after the fact that I'm like, there's another layer to me that I'm obviously, like, uncovering through this. I don't want to be told that right in the moment. I don't think anyone should, and I think that, you know, just and I really hate when people apologize and go, oh, but you have cancer. It is all relative to you. It's like trauma to your body. It doesn't matter if it's like you tripped over a pebble or you got shot by a gun, it's how your body reacted to that and how it sees it. So I never want to discount that, because I feel like my clients have just as big, they feel like just as big of problems in those moments, especially to their bodies, as it does to me. So it's really like trying to be aware of that and seeing your habits, like, why are you making this a habit? You know, what's the reason behind this? Like, I used to be one of those that like make especially when I, you know, probably around when I first met you, it was like making the list and doing the charts. I mean, I have like, seven different journals I was using and trying to, you know, color code. And it just was too much pause and go. I mean, why am I doing this? What is the long term gain of this habit right here? And really try to tie it to the identity that you're chasing. Like, is it gonna help your health character and you becoming like your best self? Is it, you know, or is this just like an ego booster that you're gonna post on Instagram, that you're doing cold plunges? What's the real reason behind it? Because I find that we are so, you know, geared to be like, now we're doing colostrum, next we're doing greens. And my habits to do 30 days of greens. 

Lesley Logan 26:45  

Oh my God, Amy, thank you so much. Everyone is like, on this colostrum kick. And I like, obviously, it's not human colostrum, but like, my sensitivity chart came back, and she's like, human colostrum. And I was like, that's so fascinating. Like, I'm not having that. But I'm also like, I'm also like, not gonna like, now I'm like, I'm like, all there's this. Everyone is like, and now we're on to this now. And it's so funny, because we have been on the on Instagram for work, and we see our friends, and it's like, I do have a cold plunge. I love my cold plunge. I am not going for 15 minutes. I get in there, and the first thing in the morning it wakes me up. That is why I do it. So for habits, why it's like I get it because I I have the hardest time remembering what day it is and why am I up in the morning. And I love the morning. So I get in and I read three books. They're each daily message books, because I wanted to read them. Yeah, I read, Gay Hendrick says, Your Big Leap Year. So I read one page of that. I read, I think it's Melody Beattie's, like Journey to the Heart, and I read someone else's and it's like I read, and they're often different messages, but I whatever one that sticks with me then I think about that as I go on my morning walk, and that's how I do it. And I found that was taking me a long time to get out on the morning walk, so I have a cold plunge for that, but I find, to your point of the why, why are you doing this? Because it's the end thing to do. It's what they're saying the next perimenopausal woman should be doing or shouldn't be doing, because I have people like, you shouldn't be cold plunging. I'm like, back off. It makes me feel good.

Amy Ledin 28:12  

It's a crazy world. I mean, I'm even in the industry, and I even say, wow, I feel for females these days. Because you know what? You get really bamboozled. I mean, people even, like they're doing a real they'll even show, over here, like a medical journal study, that they'll pop up and go and according to this, you should, well, now, if you're smart like me, and you want to be, you know, funny, you go check what that is. Well, it'll be like a research study on like, 85 year olds. And I'm like, man, context, please. But because they're like, a white coat doctor, and they're coming, you know, like, and they have 100,000 followers. And trust me, I am guilty of it too. When I was looking for back help, I'm not a chiropractor, so, like, I'm at the mercy of what I find. It's just like a person coming to the fat loss space, right? So I'm looking at, like, oh, they have a million followers. I mean, you see this in the Pilates space. Like, it's really, really scary. I think we're going to get back going full circle. It'll start to be referral. People are only going to trust who has because now everyone's been through something, and they've all had an experience. So now they're like, tell me who you (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 29:18  

I actually agree with you, because of all the AI stuff. Like, now I'm like, I actually go to Brad and go is this real? Do you think this is real before, like, I share it because, like, it's so easy, and now there's so much marketing that's using chat bots and AI that I think people are gonna stop using the socials to find even though that's where they it's been going that way to start finding things. I think people are gonna stop because it's gonna be referral. Because, like, you do. You know a real human who's acting like a real human, and it's but I agree. I mean, you're in the fat loss space. I'm in the Pilates space. I have so many people going, well, this is Pilates, and I'm like, no, honey, it's not, but no, I'm not going to go around telling people what is and isn't, because I'm not here to be in a fight with people. I'm here to help people. So I'm not going to help with an imitation.

Amy Ledin 29:59  

We're the same. I don't have enough time in my day to come hate on what you're doing. You if you think what you're doing is working for you, do it. I support you. And I think there's more than one way. Now, I think Pilates and I think even strength training, there are certain biomechanical like things to it. But I am not going to be a person that's a coach that sits and just like trashes everybody else you know, and does videos about them. I don't think that that helps, you know, personally, I think, and maybe it does, but the energy that I would be working in in that space would never make me be a creator in the way that I want to be, because I think I'd just be, you know. 

Lesley Logan 30:35  

Oh, I just think in the industry you have, yeah, and I think so I feel like I love the honesty and like, it's so I mean, like most of the people listening are women, it is so easy to be bamboozled, but what I love about you and your ideas here, it's like, what do you want? Like, what do you want? And then why do you want it? Because I actually don't think that your why has to be something stellar, but you do have to know why. Because I think, like, do you want to run a marathon because you want a habit of running? Well, then we can, we should probably don't have to run a marathon. We can change the habit. Or are you wanting to run because you have a friend that you want to keep up? Or is it because you want to, like, what's the why? So that you can, one, test the habit, and your Five for 50, or two, maybe it's the wrong habit, like, maybe that's not the thing that you should be doing. Once you figure out the why, there might be an easier or more accessible one to you.

Amy Ledin 31:29  

And make the habit something that long term is going to give you the biggest bang for your buck. Maybe it's not following a macro plan right away. Maybe it's actually meal prepping, like I, you know, I tell people, do you have to earn the right to lose fat? So like my daughter Kamele, this last year wanted to go on like, her first diet, and she's 22 and so I said, well, before I'm even going to give you a meal plan that has macros on it, you need to prove to me that you're actually going to live the identity of the fit person. Fit people, they prep meals. Fit people have a fridge full of stuff. They don't come home and have like, I mean, that's just not how they live. They fuel themselves, right? So I said, what I want you to do is just set some meal times improve over the next few weeks that you're going to pack meals. I don't even care if it's I don't care what it is that you're packing. It's the habit of the identity of that person. And then I broke down the macros, and it's great, because she doesn't associate, like being a fit person, because she's lost 20 pounds, because she just dialed in and titrated those meals. But it was all about the identity of that fit person and how now she's like, I don't associate it. She goes, it's funny. In fact, everyone at my work, she works at Lulu, and they're like, wow, Kamele, you started eating more, and now you're like, 20 pounds lighter, because she was, like, packing her meals and being on a set, you know, routine with it, and fueling herself, right? And so, plus, it taught her too, this was it's not about your macro breakdown, honey, because she even lost weight, even just packing the meals and, like, living that way. I said, it's because you were intentional. You were prioritizing protein. You were eating on on a, on a, on a routine, like set times your leptin and ghrelin, like that, like, so find those five like in those habits. Maybe it's something that's going to get you the bigger you know, the lower hanging fruit. And honestly, to the brain, meal prep sounds a lot easier than follow my macros 100% for 50 days. That can seem really daunting to the person that's like, struggled, maybe they've had food issues or binge issues and all that. 

Lesley Logan 33:26  

I think this is I will always highlight. I love when, like, all my friends who are coaches of this space, most people are just not eating enough, and they're not eating intentionally. And so, like, I just, like, want to highlight, yes, well, you can often eat more and lose weight, if that's the journey you want to go on, most people start eating enough or not eating the right things. But I love, you brought up, this a couple times, so let's just break it down. Identity, like the identity of the person. So it's like, it's beyond the why. It's like, who you want to be and what do they do, and then doing that now.

Amy Ledin 33:59  

Yes, it's totally around your Be It, it's like you need to write. I mean, it's like, we make our clients create a health character. What does she look like? What is she wearing? What does her daily routine look like? What's her fridge look like? What's her closet look like? What size is she wearing? Not that those matter, but they do to your brain to start to really see and paint the picture, because they've done too many studies in all these areas, whether it be, I mean, lottery winners, big, huge studies on why do almost 95% of them go bankrupt after we're talking like tens of millions of dollars if they win. Because, you know what, their identity is, still of a poor person. Right? So fat loss, 95% of people that lose it actually regain, it's already hard enough to lose it, so you work so hard to get there. So I don't, it's why that's such a big part of the component for our clients is the last thing I want to do is see you in two years from now, because you just got really good at disciplining yourself for a season. I want this to be who you are, and you got to commit to who that person is, and what does that look like for that person. You know what I mean?

Lesley Logan 35:02  

Yeah, yeah. So I think that's, it is totally Be It. It's just like, it's like, I want to start a business. Like, well, what does that person do with okay, the business is working. It's rolling. It's all the things you thought it would be like, how do they get up? What do they wear? What is their schedule like? What is that happening? And then, because you start to do the things or thinking like that. It makes it so much easier to step up the next thing, yeah, no, the macros thing like. 

Amy Ledin 35:25  

It's not a threat. And look at it from a brain standpoint, your brain does not see it as a threat. It comes back to like, it's like the Sasha Fierce with Beyonce, like that was a create a character she created. My business character, I named her Amy Blakely. It's after Sarah Blakely. I pretend that I try to show up as her because I'm not as outgoing and as creative and fun and bubbly as Sarah. But when I create that character, my current self doesn't see it as a threat. If I just say I'm just playing this role, you know, I'm coming on the podcast, playing a role that helps me show up as my best self. Like I think a lot of us, like, forget that we have to, you know, we got to do it enough to become it, right?

Lesley Logan 36:05  

Yes, yes. Well, I think, like, so many people go, oh, this is like, I don't want to fake it till I make it. You're not because, like, I have found, you know, like, you have a bad, let's just say you have a bad night's sleep, but you have a presentation that day. You don't go and go, guys, I'm so tired, and give you a presentation. No, you step up to the person who could be the person who believes that does a presentation nine times out of 10. You actually feel better when the presentation is over, because you you are acting as if you're the person who was doing a great presentation and became that person. That is what's happening. Yes, yeah.

Amy Ledin 36:38  

And epigenetics shows us like, you know, if you follow Nicole LePera, I've got to give her credit, she's been doing these, what they call Future Self Journaling, where she believes that every day you should script out your day. We do a version of it in our community where I want them to even script out like their their day as a as their health character. And because of what we've seen in the brain is that the more that you wire that future of like it sure, it's not who you are yet, but it's who you want to be. Your brain actually doesn't see the difference, and they're now seeing that the brain wires that way. So if you're in your 40s, 50s or older, I always say if you have struggled with fat loss, and you are already at this age, you have a rewiring issue that you need to address. Because if 95, 91% of your thoughts every day are the same, statistics will show me, you will continue to come back to this old person that you say you are and talk about and believe in. So if you're trying to become like a business owner and become like owning a Pilates studio or whatever it may be, you have to start scripting. And the older you get, and I just say it's (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 37:40  

So like, do you just like script out like, 5 a.m. 6 a.m. or do you like go, I am so and so doing this, like, what does it look like?

Amy Ledin 37:46  

It's doing this, it's more of a behavior like you'll have an outline of, like, I, you know, as I wake up today, I effortlesly, you know, keep my small promises in the morning. And you might at first detail them out, because the whole point is to this doesn't change very often, your script stays the same because you're trying to work on an area of your life, like in therapy. It's like, if you're an overreactor, if you're struggling with worthiness, it's it's a daily thing, because you're trying to show that you can change who you are, and now epigenetics is proving it, which is positive. Because here's the thing, you may have been born into someone because now they're showing with epigenetics, like it's connected even in the womb. So that really was hard for me, because when I got pregnant with Leilani, I was in a really, you know, I it was broke up my family, you know, I'd had an affair. So my pregnancy came in a place where it was a very unwanted pregnancy, and I talked, probably very negatively to myself. Well, this next book that Nicola is coming out with talks all about how they're showing and so those children can actually already be born anxious and have like attachment styles based on just the way that you have talked. So at first I was like, man, what a depressing thing to hear. But her whole point is to teach us like we're all broken humans, like we've all come from some sort of crap. And so the power of this book was to teach us that our brain is actually the neuroplasticity and our ability to change. If you're an introvert, you can become an extrovert. If like you are, you know, you say you're one way, you really can actually change. And it's doesn't take long, you know, it's 50. It's kind of similar to habits. It's about that 60 day mark we're we've tested it out with clients. I've done beta testing, and now we make it a part of our program where for 60 days, I have to do this journaling, because I'm so tired of women grunting their way to reaching their goals. I want it to pull you. I want your identity to pull you to become that. And a lot of them are starting to go why is it suddenly feeling easier to meal prep stuff that I like my lazy self, you know, is always fighting. I'm like, because you're scripting about a new person, and your brain is just seeing that is the place I need to go. It's like, it doesn't even know the difference. It just thinks it needs to do it. So less resistance. So same thing with these habits. Try to find, you know, some connection to that identity, the way you write it because you want to have less resistance. You don't want to be like you know, otherwise you will try to use motivation to do it and it never is lasting. 

Lesley Logan 40:09  

Motivation is this interesting thing that everyone thinks they need. Once I'm motivated, and it's like you just, and we'll talk about this in the habit series I've got coming out. Like motivation is one of the worst things you can it will help with something really hard. Like, if you have to do something that's really difficult, motivation is very helpful to, like, it's like the starter in the car. It only works to start the car, right? This is as far as my car metaphor is gonna go, because that's all I know about cars. And then it's like all the others. It's the gasoline. It's you putting the gas, putting your foot on the pedal, all that stuff. So but people think it's gonna, it's gonna show up every day. I cannot wait to be motivated to do anything. I would get nothing done. Nothing would none of the things I built would have have been built because of motivation. 

Amy Ledin 40:51  

Yep, yep. And it's kind of aligned with willpower. I will say a book, I don't know if you've read it, but you would love it, and he'd be a great person to have on because I think he's a small author. It's called Willpower Doesn't Work, and it is a whole book on he's got studies in there, charts that show essentially that it is all about your environment. Like that is the key that most people it's it's everything, whether it be friendships, it be your actual physical environment, that that is way better than because willpower is finite, and like, you can't count on that. It's why, in the morning the cupcake is less tempting than, say, like, at night. So like, instead of, like, having the willpower of having that cupcake here all day, why is it at night? I want it. You need to see that your environment is more powerful. Hey, decision fatigue at the end of the night, I don't need to have things out that I'm already weak to or, anyways, you would just love it, because it's just made me stop shaming myself for stuff that I'm like, seriously, I need to change the environment. You know, I've even said to clients, the best time to really change a big habit, like a bad habit, like, I had a client, she's like, every night we sit on the couch, we eat a snack. I said, Hey, when's your next time you're out of town? Because having a break from your environment and then coming back into it is the best time to shift into a new habit. Now for the next several days, don't even sit on the couch like let your brain completely because it is all about connection and loops, you know, for most of us at this age.

Lesley Logan 42:16  

It's true. It's true. This year that I'm doing we talk about how to unravel a habit you don't like, and it's one of the things, and I'll dive deeper in the episode, but it's like, how what is the prompt that starts the sitting down on the couch? There is something that starts that, and if you don't know what that something is, you can get rid of your couch, and you're still gonna find something to sit on, because there's a prompt there. 

Amy Ledin 42:39  

It's true. And yes, because it's it started earlier. I have a client right now that we've realized her overwhelm with work makes her go to any like, highly palette. It doesn't have to be chocolate chips. At first, she's like, it's the chocolate chips. I'm like, girl, no, tomorrow will be something different, but it's not about the pantry. I'm like, it starts earlier. And that you start to see failure in your day and overwhelm, and that loop is when I'm failing okay, this is kind of like my coping mechanism, you know, so much, and so it's interesting. I'm like, man, I feel like we're therapy one on one. But even in, you know, someone that wants to have a business, they're all parallel, all of it, because it's a personal development journey.

Lesley Logan 43:18  

Everything, whatever it is, like, that's why I like that identity and like you can see yourself in like different things. Anything that you want to do, and how it's like it, it we, it works the same. You, it's you have to prepare the environment. You have to know why you want to do it, and then you have to tell you have to believe that you can. And I think like because like you, you cannot shame yourself into something you want. It will not work. And you talk about, like, the clients, like, grit themselves to getting there, and then they're just be back in two years, because nothing changed, and they didn't become who they wanted to be on that journey. Oh my gosh. Okay. I mean, I, obviously, I could talk to you forever about this, because, like, this is just something I like to nerd about. But I just love that we think the same way on this, because it's really, it's really easy, I think, for people to, like, want to start 17 new things at the same time, or like, they, you know, and like, it's an I have to do it for an hour, and it's like, hold on, like, let's, you know, we got to adjust the timeline of what it is. And I really think, you know, making sure you know why you want to do it. The script thing is a really cool thing to add to it. I have to say, like, I kind of like the idea of like writing yourself a script for the day and how it's gonna go, that's a be it till you see it, and also, like a manifestation and a drawing in, I think that's really beautiful, Amy. Well, we're gonna take a quick break, and we're gonna find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you, and then we're gonna do your Be It Action Items. 

Amy Ledin 44:36  

Okay. 

Lesley Logan 44:37  

All right, Amy, where do you hang out? Where can they stalk you in the best way? 

Amy Ledin 44:42  

I am, I'm on Instagram, you know, under amy_ledin if you are, like, still a Facebook person, though, I will say that is, like, where our business really lands. So it's under Lean Bodies Consulting. I post daily there, and then, you know, by the time this episode's out, my podcast, you know, which is called F* It! so you can find me there.

Lesley Logan 45:00  

I love your podcast. It's so great. I also want to say, like, I admire that you take pauses when you need to with it, because I think you are so good at podcasting. You're so wonderful at it. All of your episodes I've ever listened to are so good. And you're also allowed to be a human and take time for yourself. You have given us so much already, but you know how the show goes, we need Be It Action Items, bold, executable, intrinsic or target steps people can take to be it till they see it. I mean, the whole episode kind of was one, but anything you want to add or remind us.

Amy Ledin 45:29  

Well, you know what? I actually tied it to your acronym, to the DACs, and it's like, bold, one agreement that matters, like, pick one, like, maybe you need to start just with one. Executable is your E, you know, like, write it in real words, not vague. So be specific on what you're really shooting for. The intrinsic is link it to how you want to feel, not just like, how much you want to weigh, how much money. Like, how do you really want to feel there? What's the money? What's the scale going to give you? And then targeted, today, not someday. Like, be very specific.

Lesley Logan 46:01  

Oh, my God, that's brilliant. You're so good. I love it so much, you guys. I can't even wait to hear how this episode goes. It's just so fun to have you back and see what you're up to, and also just be reminded of, like, how powerful we all really are. Our minds are really powerful. And I love the science behind that. That book sounds amazing. I can't wait to read it. I'll have to have it on. You know what, before I go. And I'm gonna say this, because, in case anyone knows this person, I'm trying to get hold of them, there's a book called Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a little series on, like a self like, a week long series on self-love. Because everybody who talks about, I burnt out, I'm this. And the book the author, he says, You'll never burn out if you actually love yourself. Because if you truly loved yourself, you wouldn't say yes, when you mean no, you would actually, like take time for yourself. And that's so like, I think those two books sound like a nice little bookend, but also, like everything we're talking about here today, it's, it's all part of it, you know, it's all like holistic it's, we're not little compartments. So thank you for being you, Amy. You guys, make sure you check out her Instagram, her podcast, her Facebook. Tell her what your favorite takeaways are. You can tell me, I love it, but also tell her these words of affirmation are our love language also lets us know what your favorite parts are. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. You know, it's actually kind of difficult to go through all these like 5 for 50 alone. Sometimes it's kind of nice to have some friends to do it with, or your kiddos to do it with. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 47:27  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 48:10  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 48:14  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 48:19  

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Lesley Logan 48:26  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 48:29  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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This week’s FYF lands right in the season of gratitude, and Lesley leans into the joy and clarity that come from naming the moments that matter. She shares a playful morning ritual, highlights a heartfelt reflection from eLevate member Ainsley, and opens up about how this podcast has reshaped her own sense of purpose as she grows older — a reminder that celebrating even the smallest steps keeps you grounded in your growth.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why a short morning dance can shift your energy before stepping into your day.
• How choosing a personal “power song” boosts confidence and sets your tone.
• How Ainsley’s eLevate win highlights the clarity that comes from naming your gratitude.
• How mentorship and community support help you show up more authentically.
• How Lesley’s reflection on podcasting can reshape how you see your own growth.

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• @empowerwomenlegacy - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFTTdGrPn1P

 

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Happy Fuck Yeah Friday. Oh my God, a Friday. That's a holiday. Hopefully you have it off. I'm obsessed with taking holidays off that I don't do a lot of celebration on, and it's not like Brad and I just don't really cook Thanksgiving meal, and I don't even go to a lot of them, or we're invited. But like, there's something about like, the world is celebrating a day, or not the world, because this is Thanksgiving, so people are celebrating a day, and we're just like, putzing around, like, I love it, but that's not my win. This is about celebrating your wins, my wins, and being inspired and having an affirmation and reminding ourselves that like perfect is boring, being until you see it takes time. And my goodness, we're gonna start bragging about the things we do and inspiring others to do the same. So your inspiration for today, everyone's trying to sell you something. And, yeah, me too on OPC, but, but, but, really, what I want you to enjoy and get a kick out of this says the rule is you have to dance a little in the morning before you leave the house, because it changes the way you walk out into the world. And it reminds me of one of the episodes we had where she said you need to pick your be it till you see it song, and then you need to listen to it every day. And she said you have to listen to it. I'm like this inspiration is asking us to dance a little before we leave the house, because it changes the way we walk out into the world. So what song you're gonna play right now and dance to it on the world? I used to play Level Up every morning in my studio before my clients showed up. This was in 2018 and then I had a different song in 2019 but I'm telling you, it changed, it changed how I approached the whole day, because I was like, Oh my God, I am starting new companies, and I am in charge of the vision of where these are going and and also I still have to teach. And I'm I love this so much. I love, love, love this. And if you go to the link to watch it on Instagram, it's this cute little girl who is just, like, dancing. She is just dancing. This other little girl is like, I think I want to dance like she is. She's like, a little shy. The girl who's staring at her was like, that's me. That's me going, can I be her? Like, can I do that? And I'm telling you right now, we need to do it. We need to do it. You need to do it. So go out, well, don't, before you go out, play a song and then go out into the world being it till you see it. I'm obsessed with this one. 

Lesley Logan 3:16  

So, okay, your wins. Ainsley Walker is back, and you know what I love about Ainsley is that reading her wins makes me relive I feel like I'm living the moment, watching in a movie. And you don't have to be so eloquent in the way you write your wins, but I'm just saying like, write your wins like you're like you're sharing it in a journal. You can relive them if you can, if you have the time, right? It really helps you reflect. So, wow, wow, wow. So this is both a win and a massive thank you. I chose this one because we are in a gratitude season, right? LL, Brad and Meredith, I could have put this in the eLevate group, but I would feel so selfish to all of you who perhaps haven't done eLevate yet. So I say it yet because it's a must. I arrived back last night from an incredible few days in Vegas with all the other eLevate retreaters. What was it? What was incredible is that no matter how experienced or new everyone was, they still had lots to learn and share from all in each other. We have moved lots and had so much fun taking time and investment to step out and do this. Felt big, but the outcome was more than I imagined. It reflected back to me with clarity, what I want my future and how to go about things for my own practice, my clients and my business. It's going to be exact an exciting few months, but first I'm going to move my happy jet-lagged body on my beautiful new mini barrel. Thank you all. Oh Ainsley, of course, you are so welcome, but also, thank you, because when you show up for yourself, it allows everyone else to show up for themselves, right? And so yes, thank you for the gratitude you are sending back to us. Of course, we love doing this, but we we can't do it without people like you who show up as authentically as you do, and then and give so generously and receive so much, right? And I'm just so excited because I have seen how the next few minutes went, and I have seen what you're doing, and it's nothing short of, remarkable is the wrong word, short of like, it's more than what you detail to me that you dreamed of, and I'm so stoked because you did it. You've been being it till you see it, since the moment we did Cambodia together, and I, the first time. And eLevate was so beautiful. I'm so glad you're in it. And for those who don't understand what I wonder what eLevate is, it's my mentorship program next year is completely sold out, but 2027 has a couple spots and I do a retreat with them at the house every year, and it's special to me because it's what Jay gave to me, and Jay's teachers gave to me, and I want to pay that forward into my own way and in a way that allows people to show up fully, authentically themselves, right? So thank you, Ainsley, because without you, I couldn't do what I'm wanting to do. 

Lesley Logan 6:02  

All right, so it, it is an FYF, but it's also, you know, a season of gratitude. And I have a lot to be grateful for this year. The world is on fire. I have had more than my fair share of obstacles and frustrations in life and in business. What's fun is I get to sit here and record this early in a state of I'm actually extremely grateful. I'm grateful for the person I was when I envisioned this business so many years ago. I'm grateful for the people who've been part of it. I'm grateful massively for my team. I'm grateful for my dear, amazing friends. I am the point man who I love, people who don't need to talk to me every day. I like best friends who can talk every week or every other week, or maybe not for a month, but we can pick up where we started, like I love I'm so grateful because my friends are that, and they get that, and they understand that, and because this is Be It Till You See It Podcast, I know we say this often in the recaps, but you have to know that I'm so grateful for you, because this podcast has actually changed my perspective of myself and who I want to become and how I want to be it till I see it as I get older, and not in a way like I'm getting older, but like, what beauty can come as I get older and who I want to become, and so without you listening, I wouldn't get to do this. You don't just get to do a podcast just because, you know, you want to people do have to listen. I mean, I could, but then it would just be a fucking expensive, very expensive task, because you listen, because you listen, because you share your wins, because you send your questions in, because you send in your takeaways, it pushes me to become better at this every each and every year, and each interview has challenged me to be it till I see it in an in a better way. And isn't that how it is, like we envision, like what we want, and then the result is even better. Sometimes we don't get we want, but we got something better. And that is how I feel. And so I'm just absolutely so fucking grateful for you. And in case no one's told you that, today, I'm grateful for you. So go out there and Be It Till You See It. Thank you so much. Have an amazing day. 

Lesley Logan 8:18  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 9:00  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 9:05  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 9:10  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:17  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 9:20  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down the powerful conversation with keynote speaker and coach John Mollura, exploring how perfectionism, procrastination, and overthinking quietly chip away at your self-trust. They unpack why these three all stem from fear, how they derail the small promises you make to yourself, and why that matters more than you think. This recap is your reminder that confidence isn’t a mystery; it’s built through honest awareness and daily follow-through.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The shift from self-judgment to a seeker mindset that opens new direction.
• How changing lanes later in life reflects growth rather than starting over.
• The Big Three that derail meaningful actions by operating from fear.
• Breaking your own commitments as the root cause behind loss of self-trust.
• Why honoring tiny choices today makes you a hero to your future self.

Episode References/Links:

• Black Friday Cyber Monday Sale - https://opc.me/bfcm
• OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour
• Pilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournal
• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com
• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/poland
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brussels
• Pilates on Tour - https://www.pilates.com
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• John Mollura's Website - https://www.johnmollura.com
• John Mollura’s Free Resources - https://www.johnmollura.com/freestuff
• Episode 119: John Mollura - https://beitpod.com/ep119
• Episode 592: Dr. Jill Allen - https://beitpod.com/ep592

 

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

These three behaviors constantly derail us from doing the things that we want to do or the things that we say are so important for us. And he said, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking? 

Lesley Logan 0:15  

Drum roll please. 

Brad Crowell 0:18  

Fear.

Lesley Logan 0:21  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:03  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the encouraging convo I have with John Mollura in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then listen to this one, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. They're fun, back-to-back, to be completely honest, in whatever order you want to do. And John Mollura, he said this is his second time on the pod. 

Brad Crowell 1:28  

Yeah, the first one he was in the hundos. 

Lesley Logan 1:27  

Yeah. I know. Is that crazy? It's insane. 

Brad Crowell 1:28  

Yeah, yeah. Like this probably puts him almost 500 episodes ago. 

Lesley Logan 1:34  

I know. Who else should we bring back? Send it in, guys. 

Brad Crowell 1:38  

Let us know. 

Lesley Logan 1:38  

Today is Thursday, November 27th 2025 and for Americans, it is Turkey Day. 

Brad Crowell 1:46  

It's Thanksgiving Day. 

Lesley Logan 1:47  

Yes, but it's also for Americans and anyone else wants to celebrate, Un-Thanksgiving Day. 

Brad Crowell 1:54  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 1:54  

Let's, before people get upset, this is what Un-Thanksgiving Day is. It's also known as National Day of Mourning, or Indigenous People's Sunrise Ceremony, is commemorated on the fourth Thursday in November. That is on purpose, because, well, I'll tell you more in a second, this place, it takes a place on November 27th but it just happens on to be on the same Thursday as Thanksgiving, because it's always the fourth Thursday. And it actually there's a big thing over on Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay to honor the indigenous peoples of America and promote their rights. And the reason why we do this is because, well, there's also, naturally a mourning is what they do in Boston, but what they do in happened in at Alcatraz is when it was no longer being used as a prison, the indigenous people went and took over the island, and they lived in it and inhabited and controlled it for 19 months. And it's kind of amazing. It's basically them taking their land back, which is very beautiful on we didn't do this because we'll have episodes come on Monday, but I really love that on Columbus Day, the day formerly known as Columbus Day in this household, but known as Indigenous People's Day, somebody, somebody posted a meme that said a reminder that on this day in 1492 indigenous people discovered Columbus lost at sea, or whatever day it was. I don't know if I heard the year correctly, but I love it. It's like, yeah, you fucking discovered this place. You so. So anyways, if you're like me and Brad, sometimes these holidays are kind of hard to celebrate, because, like, of course, I want to spend time with family. Of course I'll spend time with friends. Of course, we need days off, and we do need some joy, but I think finding new ways to educate ourselves and then celebrate those people is wise. 

Brad Crowell 3:48  

Yeah, or just to have some clarity around the history of a holiday, you know, like, like, like, historically, the Romans would take the conquered people's holidays, and, you know, morph them so that the people could still celebrate, and then over time, things would change, you know. And now, all of a sudden, we have, you know, things like Christmas or Halloween or whatever, you know. And they've been, they've been basically taken over, and Thanksgiving is, is, I don't think Thanksgiving was taken over, but Thanksgiving has a different premise.

Lesley Logan 4:22  

There's a folkloric story about, like, what happened I'm like this, but (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 4:25  

But it's, well, it's, yeah, it's well, it's, it's that, you know, we came, we saw, we conquered, kind of thing and we did that. But it's a day of thanks, right? Thanks for this new land that we took from people. So, you know, thank you for that.

Lesley Logan 4:41  

It's like a bully kicking a kid taking a lunch, going, thanks, man.

Brad Crowell 4:43  

You know, so so I still think that we can have a day where we we are thankful for the things that we have and family and those things. But I think it's also fair to to to recognize that, you know, like that, like for the native people of this continent. They they want to remember their history too, and the genocide of indigenous people that happened when we came over here, so.

Lesley Logan 5:12  

Yeah, and I just think, like, Hallmark washing, and no offense to that company, but like, just making everything, like this beautiful day to like, you know, go out and buy decorations and all this different stuff. It's like, I think you can have a day of thanks, I think. But I also think, like, it is, it is important that we're educating ourselves about the people that have been hurt by this kind of stuff, and also, like, have a day of thanks and be thankful for them and what they did on, you know, for this land before we got here. 

Brad Crowell 5:39  

Yeah, Thanks for Thanks for going down that journey with us. 

Lesley Logan 5:42  

Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving Day. 

Brad Crowell 5:44  

Yeah, it's intentionally on Thanksgiving every year. It's the fourth, same as the fourth, fourth Thursday of November. 

Lesley Logan 5:50  

So and you know what? Here's the deal, if you're like guys, thanks, totally understand. You know, honor them every day. And I love Thanksgiving. That is very, very cool. But for some people who are having a hard time right now with this holiday, we just gave you one. You're welcome.

Brad Crowell 6:04  

Yeah, all right. Coming up it is. We are in the middle of our Black Friday Cyber Monday sale right now for OPC, onlinepilatesclasses.com. Just go to, actually check your emails. But I want to say it's opc.me/bfcm, Black Friday Cyber Monday, for the short link for that. In December, in literally a week, we leave and we hit the road. We are driving to Colorado. We're gonna be in Colorado Springs. We're not gonna review all the days and the locations and all the things.

Lesley Logan 6:32  

There's 23 of them. 

Brad Crowell 6:33  

There are 23 cities, public stops there. And we have, you know, definitely more than 50% sold out. We are more than that already as we're recording this, and you know. 

Lesley Logan 6:44  

Powered by Balanced Body, so we're gonna be bringing our Controlology line with us. We'll have some prizes from them. You don't have to be a Pilates instructor to come. You don't even have to have done Pilates for you to come. (inaudible) my fucking friends have come, and they don't, have never done it before. So you are welcome to bring a family member or ditch them and say that you have something to do for work. It's important. Everyone understands. So go to opc.me/tour for tickets in the remaining stops. And then what's also happening later in December, because we're not doing a Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale for Profitable Pilates this year, we are doing something special December 26th through the 31st so, but you'll need to have the be on the email list for Profitable Pilates. So if you're not on that list, you need to get on that list, yeah, and go do that. And then after our tour is over, we come home. I fix my roots, I change my nails, I launch a mentorship program, and then we drive out to Huntington Beach. 

Brad Crowell 7:40  

I think I'll shave while you're doing all those things. 

Lesley Logan 7:40  

I mean, you'll have your shave going on, but you'll probably need a trim. So we're gonna go, we'll be at the Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. It's the first time the Pilates Journal is doing an event in the States. It's a humongous lineup of teachers, some that I, who I used to take from when I was a baby Pilates person, and some that I've taught how to teach. So it's kind of crazy. So you'll want to go to the Pilates Journal Expo to join us on that party, xxll.co/pilatesjournal. Then we're home for a little bit, thank goodness, because, like everybody and their mom is wanting to visit in February, and, oh, there's more in January. 

Brad Crowell 8:05  

Yeah, there's more in Jan. So we're gonna be.

Lesley Logan 8:12  

It's also my birthday. I don't see that on the events list.

Brad Crowell 8:17  

For those of you who've been interested in joining us on a Pilates retreat where we hang out, we decompress from all the insanity that this life has for us. Each and every one of us is different. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. Get yourself on the waitlist. In January, we're going to be doing our pre sale, our early bird for our retreat for next year, which will be in October at our home in Cambodia. We're actually going to be doing a call at the middle end of January. It's not yet on the calendar exactly, but we're going to have a call, and we're going to interview a couple of our past attendees. We're going to hang out, we're going to talk about the trip and all the things that everybody's ever wanted to know. It's going to be great. So come join us for that, but you got to be on the waitlist for that. Go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on the waitlist. And then in February, something that is really I'm passionate about as well, is Agency Mini. Okay, so as you know, we coach Pilates business owners, and we have a coaching program and all those fun things. But people ask, you know, often look at it and go, I don't know if I'm ready for a six month commitment. No problem. That's why we created Agency Mini, and it's a three-day program. Okay? Used to be seven. We've shrunk it down to three, because we all know how crazy life actually is. It is a really powerful three days, and you should join us for that. Go to prfit.biz/mini prfit.biz/mini. That's profit without the O.

Lesley Logan 9:35  

And then we get on our plane for the first time in almost six months. 

Brad Crowell 9:39  

Which is insane. 

Lesley Logan 9:40  

Insane but so delicious. I'm sitting here knowing we have six months not. 

Brad Crowell 9:45  

Of no flying. 

Lesley Logan 9:46  

So it's the really ridiculous thing. But I saw it on the day we were at the airport some reel which is like, Have you ever been to the airport and you realize, like, every time I go to the airport, it is everybody's first time on this earth. And so I was just like looking at people, and honestly, I had more empathy for them. I'm like, well, it's their first time here. And then we pull a move where we like, just stop in the middle of the airport, like you did, like, like people do, and then we're just like, turn and like, I'm like, so sorry. 

Brad Crowell 10:11  

Cutting people off. Oops.

Lesley Logan 10:11  

Like, I was like, oops, I'm so sorry. It's our first time on this planet. They didn't understand what I was saying. But I laugh my heart out. But anyways, we're home for six months, and then when we get on a plane, it's a big deal because we are going to be in three different countries, teaching in the content, continent of Europe, because I can't say the EU anymore, since the Brexit. So school year, we're starting to right, I have to like London and England is its own thing. 

Brad Crowell 10:37  

Almost positive. 

Lesley Logan 10:38  

I have to say, like the European continent, so annoying, but we'll just say,

Brad Crowell 10:44  

Yeah, it's considered part of Europe geographically. 

Lesley Logan 10:46  

But not the EU. 

Brad Crowell 10:47  

Although technically it's the European continental shelf. Anyway, no, it's not the EU but it is part of Europe.

Lesley Logan 10:54  

It's like when we were in John o'Groats, and we had to be so specific, we couldn't say we were at the top of the UK. We had to say we're at the top of the mainland UK.

Brad Crowell 10:58  

Right. Because there are islands north of the mainland.

Lesley Logan 11:01  

Or top of mainland Scotland. So okay, so in March, we're going to be in Poland at the Controlology Pilates Conference, xxll.co/poland Karen Frischmann is doing that with me, and it's really fun. We haven't been back there in a couple of years. Really, really great time. Really cool people there. So I can't wait to see you guys. And then the next weekend we'll be in Brussels. Els Studio tells and you want to go to xxll.co/brussels same, two teachers, very different workshops, also private sessions. So choose the adventure you want to go on, check out both lineups, and pick the one you want to go to or come to both and hang out with us in two different countries, why not? And then in April, Brad and I will be at the POT in London. We're very excited about it, it's my first POT in London, (inaudible) I know it's, it's gonna be a great time. It's gonna be a really fun to see all those people. So pick the one you want, my European fabulous people, because that's it for 2026. That's all there is. 

Brad Crowell 11:59  

So xxll.co/poland or slash Brussels. Eventually we might have slash London, but they're not. They don't even have a landing page up yet to buy tickets for that. 

Lesley Logan 12:08  

From the time that we're recording this. 

Brad Crowell 12:08  

Yeah, we're just, we're putting it on your radar. So go to pilates.com and go see their continuing education. That's where they have all that information about future POTs Pilates On Tour. 

Brad Crowell 12:19  

All right, so this week, we had a question for you from Natalie. 

Lesley Logan 12:25  

Hit me with it. 

Brad Crowell 12:27  

@nathalieds9011 asks on YouTube about the video, How to Take Your Pilates Practice Outdoors. She said, hey, how about doing Pilates outdoors during winter in Madrid, which is where I am, winter is not extreme. I have a big terrace, which is where I do Pilates. Since inside my apartment, there's just not that much space for me to move.

Lesley Logan 12:43  

I mean, if you live somewhere where it's beautiful in the winter, fuck yeah. Do it outside. Tag me in a video. Take one of my classes on OPC, or Pilates Anytime or on YouTube. And I want to see your, I want to live vicariously through you, because, let me tell you, I would love being in Madrid in the winter. Instead, I am in the winter places. 

Brad Crowell 13:04  

I'm in the winter places.

Lesley Logan 13:04  

I'm in the places where winter happens. But I would, love that's great. I mean, like, when I did that video, I was being conscious of, like, if I say, you do it outdoors, I'm gonna get someone say I can't. It's negative 21 degrees here, and it's gonna be 115 here. So I have to, like, you know, be considerate, because some people just don't feel seen. So you, my dear, are in the blessed space. We actually have a couple OPC members who also live in Spain, and they do their Pilates outside all year long. So please, rock on. Do it, but, but basically, when you're doing Pilates outside, there's just things to consider. You can check out that video we did on YouTube, because I'm not gonna list the exhaust, exhaustive list that I gave on there, but we just did Pilates in Cambodia, and something we have to consider is, like bugs, you know, rain. We can do it in the rain there, because we have a covered patio, but as long as the rain isn't going sideways, which can happen, then we have these things that we bring down to make the walls. So it's not so much water on the patio, but the mosquitoes don't care, so we have to we have extra fans that like make it harder for them to land, you know. So there's just things you want to think about when you're doing Pilates outside, and I have blue eyes, it is really difficult for me to do outside Pilates when there's no cover. I was doing, early in the spring, I was doing yoga outside in the morning, and it was fine, as long as I was in down dog, but the moment I came up, the sun was in my face, and I was like, well, this isn't this is terrible. I need sunglasses, but you can't do sunglasses. You can't work out with sunglasses. So like you just it looks stunning. Just make sure you have things set up so that you're not constantly distracted from your workout, about being outside. You know that's all. 

Brad Crowell 13:06  

Love it. 

Lesley Logan 13:06  

If you have a question, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534, or submit them at beitpod.com/questions, where I would like you to send a win as well. I'm being demanding here. Come on. You have a win in your life. You do. You wanna know something, one of our retreaters would. 

Brad Crowell 13:06  

You wanna know something. 

Lesley Logan 13:06  

You wanna know something. One of our, one of our retreaters shared a win one day after our retreat. She said, I only said, I'm sorry two times. It was amazing. Like, if you walk around like, that's a fucking win. Huge win. Instead of walking around, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like, she just said, excuse me, and then when she needed to, she said, I'm sorry, and she's like, oh, two times it was such a win. So those are the wins I want to hear. I don't need to hear, like, I have my biggest launch ever. Okay, great. That's wonderful. I'm super excited for you, and you can send that in, but like, there were little wins along the way. And if you don't celebrate those you are, you're unlikely to feel fulfilled for a long period of time. So send them in. 

Brad Crowell 13:37  

Yeah, I just looked up on our board we have a win. 

Lesley Logan 13:37  

Great. 

Brad Crowell 13:37  

I'm gonna read it. 

Lesley Logan 13:37  

Oh, okay, okay great. 

Brad Crowell 13:37  

Big win this week. This is from Jordan BB, I've neglected using my Wunda Chair for quite a while now. So I decided it was time to break out my Chair Flashcards. I started working through the order and whatever bits of time I had available each day, starting from the top of the deck each day to get to the to get the repetition. By the time I got to my second week, I started feeling connections in my body that the week previous, I couldn't have even dreamed of. Exercises that felt impossible to move were actually moving. But even better, I felt more connected to myself. Super excited to add my Chair back into my regular rotation. Thank you, Lesley for the amazing flashcards. 

Lesley Logan 16:32  

I mean, I'm so grateful for you. And don't click that off, Brad, because I'm going to say it on FYF so she can hear it on one of those episodes. But thank you like that is so freaking cool. 

Brad Crowell 16:42  

Great job, Jordan. 

Lesley Logan 16:43  

I just want another shout out to Jordan. She is also a listener who, when she discovered this podcast, went back to the beginning and listened to every single one. 

Brad Crowell 16:51  

Wow. 

Lesley Logan 16:51  

I know. So pretty big deal. Pretty amazing win. All right, Jordan, you're amazing. I'll put that in FYF so you're gonna hear it twice, because what if she misses this episode? All right, let's talk about John Mollura.

Brad Crowell 17:05  

John Mollura. Okay, so stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about John. 

Brad Crowell 17:11  

Welcome back. All right, let's dig into this convo you have with John Mollura. John is a personal coach and keynote speaker who helps people move from fear and hesitation into confidence and action, which I love that. For 15 years he had he led test operations on NASA missions before stepping into a new chapter as an award winning photographer, with work featured in National Geographic. Today, he shares those experiences through coaching and his signature talk, Elite Level Confidence, giving people simple tools to build trust in themselves and take consistent action in their lives. Look, we, Lesley and I have, man, we connected with John three or four years ago now, and. 

Lesley Logan 17:52  

At least, he was in the hundreds. So.

Brad Crowell 17:54  

Yeah, look, if you like to read newsletters, John's newsletters are great. He really takes time to write enjoyable newsletters, and I read them. 

Lesley Logan 18:05  

You don't read anything. 

Brad Crowell 18:07  

I don't really read anything. So John's newsletters are really fun. So I really like that. I feel like I've been along his journey with him, as he's shifted from engineer to photographer to now being a speaker and a coach, so we're really fired up for him. It's been awesome to have him. He's coming to speak to Agency, our coaching group multiple times, and his content is available for those who are members of Agency. And then we were like, hey, man, would you like to be back on the pod? And we got this epic episode. It's like this episode felt like a mic drop moment on every chapter of the conversation that y'all, y'all were having, you know, talking about confidence, talking about perfectionism, talking about all these great things that, I, I literally listened to it twice. So. 

Lesley Logan 18:58  

I love that, that's so good. Well, thanks for doing that. I mean, it's so fun to have guests back and see where they've gone. Some people have gone further in the same lane. Some people have switched lanes. Some people have reversed and then rewound and, you know, like it's and so he has switched lanes. But really it seems like it all aligns, because he, basically what I like that he said, which goes with what I'm just saying, is that he talked about, it's being really important to be aware. Like, the more aware you are, it's actually a really powerful thing and and it's because when you have a seeker mindset, right? Like, that's going to help you, when you have that curiosity, it's going to help you in what you want to be and what you want to do. So clearly, he was in that seeking mode, that being aware mode, and that's where he's like, Oh, I'm a, I'm an award winning photographer, I'm a NASA engineer, but I actually really want, I'm feeling called, to do this thing over here and it lights me up, and that, you, just going to Gay Hendricks like, that's his genius zone. Like, it would be so easy for him to it's, it's a what does Gay call it, like, your whatever. Like, there's a zone of excellence, which is his photography, but his own genius is this. And I just really loved it. He also said, like, when you are being aware, it's important that you don't judge yourself with your awareness. Like, that's where the critic lives. You like things you'll say is like, well, that's not gonna happen. Or, like, this is never gonna work. But instead, shifting into that seeker mindset and having awareness and curiosity.

Brad Crowell 20:23  

Yeah, that, so, okay, this part, I thought, was really heartfelt, because he already in his adult life with kids and a wife changed from being a, I'm guessing, stable, high paying government job, where he's an engineer for NASA, to an unstable, potentially high paying, but who knows, job of being a photographer. Now he happens to kick ass at being a photographer, you know, but he said, the engineering job, he quit. He started something else. He got another engineering job, then realized that still wasn't the right answer. Then he started doing something that he found fulfilling. And then after a while, was like, this isn't doing it either. And then decided to make us another change in his adult life. And he's like, I honestly didn't even want to tell my wife, because she'd already been on the journey with me getting out of being an engineer. And now I'm like, thought I was doing the thing I wanted to do, but I'm not feeling it, you know, it's not actually the right thing for me. And and then, you know, and so he has, what I thought was really great, is you threw in there. Well, look, it was maybe we end up thinking that we need to do this thing for because we made the decision, right? For me, this really resonated with my decision to go to college for music, right? And I left. And then my whole time in Los Angeles, for the for the first decade I was there, I was like, I am a musician. That's how I defined myself. It's how I saw myself. I am in a band. I do perform. This is what I do. This is who I am. And when you started, when that started to shift and change and not be that anymore. I was like, well, what do I do now? You know, that I'm not, you know, can I do something else? Like, am I allowed? Because I felt (inaudible), I had literally spent $80,000 or whatever was going to college. I don't even know. A lot of money, you know, going to college to be a musician, you know, am I, am I like, is it okay to not be a musician anymore? You know, while I still can think of myself as a musician today, that's not my primary thing that I'm doing, but it was just one step along the way and and I think it's okay for us to be making these changes in our lives. You know, my I never talked with my friend about this, but my high school buddy went to school to be an engineer, right? He went to Germany, he came back, he was doing all this really fancy engineering stuff, and then somewhere along the way, was like, I this isn't it. And then he went back to school to be a doctor. Like, I was like, wait, you signed up for like, four more years of school after already going to, like four or five years of school. And, you know, now he's a doctor, and I have to imagine he really likes it, or he wouldn't keep doing it. But that is quite a path to jump from one to another, especially when the foundation to become a doctor again, you're, you're starting over, in a way, you know, so.

Lesley Logan 20:25  

Yeah, I think that's and I think that clearly in that instance, like, he must have had to be a seeker and not a judger in his like, well, this is gonna work. Oh my God, it's four more years of school. 

Brad Crowell 23:33  

Judging himself. 

Lesley Logan 23:39  

Like, using himself, you know, or what like, and this is like, this is the hard part, right? Because when you share some things, it's really, really important who you share stuff with. Like, I think sometimes some of you who are listening, you so badly want someone in your life's love that you're telling them the thing that you're wanting to do, and they are not your cheerleader. It's not because they are an asshole or trying to be an asshole, it's that they are in the critic zone. And so you have to be mindful, like, who you're sharing your dreams with, until you feel the muscle is very strong. And I don't think that that was, like, why he didn't want to share it with his wife, but we were very clear, like he was just was just like, now we're starting all over again. But like, I do think that, like, there are, like, when we told my grandfather we're in Cambodia, he's like, it's not safe there, right? And we're like. 

Brad Crowell 24:32  

What's he, like, all he's doing is projecting his own fear. 

Lesley Logan 24:34  

His own fear, you know, and so, so just be mindful those of you who are listening, who are like, in the curious space, in the awareness space, and you're feeling called, yes, you have excellent investments and other things you've done in your life, but you're being called to do something else. Be mindful that you tell the friends who are like, fuck yeah, you should do that. The other people in your life, you'll tell them when the muscle is a bit stronger, because I would just be afraid that their critic will come out and bring your critic to the party, and we don't need that.

Brad Crowell 25:05  

Well, I think, I think the high level here, you know, the conclusion of this thought is awareness plus curiosity is a win, right? Awareness plus curiosity, it enables progress, right? So no matter where you are in your life, no matter what projects you're working on, if you have both awareness and curiosity, you will be able to move that ball forward. So love that. And speaking of your grandfather, that leads into what I really loved in a roundabout way, you'll get, we'll get there. 

Lesley Logan 25:36  

I can't wait. I'm excited. I'm looking at these notes. Did you know, my grandfather?

Brad Crowell 25:41  

I did. So the big three that John talked about, this was a whole nother chapter of the conversation, and this is where I kept saying, these are mic drop moments, you know? He said, hey, look, you know, it's not even about perfection. It's not even about procrastination. He said, in fact, there are the, these are the big three things that I talk about all the time, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. He said these three behaviors constantly derail us from doing the things that we want to do, or the things that we say are so important for us. And he said the thing that they're like they don't, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what are, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking? 

Lesley Logan 26:22  

Drum roll, please. 

Brad Crowell 26:26  

Fear. Right? And this is what your grandfather was, was applying. He was, he was projecting his fear on us. And that's when, when you share something with someone, be cautious of that in the sense that they are, they know you really well. They love you. They want the best for you. And they are going to immediately, like, look at it and see what is the problem that that could happen here. And they're going to push that out there and right? And that could be really deflating for you, especially if you aren't yet, like you don't yet have surety in the place you're going, you're feeling it out right, because that, like they don't want you to be hurt or fail, or any of those things and fear is that that root, and it's easy for that to blossom into these things, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. And he said, by understanding that fear is the root of these three people, can now get honest with ourselves and begin asking, what is it actually that I'm so scared of? What is it actually? I can't remember who it was, but a couple weeks ago, we had another episode. She was a business coach. 

Lesley Logan 27:37  

Oh, Jill. 

Brad Crowell 27:39  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was, I think it was her. She said, what am I afraid of? What's the worst could happen. I could go bankrupt, right? And I was like, well, that's a pretty big deal, you know? But for her, she was like, okay. 

Lesley Logan 27:52  

Jill Allen. Dr. Jill Allen.

Brad Crowell 27:52  

Dr. Jill Allen, yeah she said, okay, I could go bankrupt. And it's like, well, okay, but she acknowledged that, like, what am I so afraid of, if that's the worst that could happen can that be overcome? Like, is that like, it doesn't it's not something to laugh at. But what if it do? What if it does happen? 

Lesley Logan 28:10  

I don't know. Do I share this, like, my, I remember my trainer when I was, like, thinking of breaking up with my ex, and I was like, just like, not. He's like, what are you afraid of? Like, I don't. He's like, you're not gonna die. Like, he's like, to me, the scariest thing, the thing that, like, the ultimate fear, is death. And you breaking up with him, you're not gonna die. Like, in my situation, I'm sure that that's not the same for other people, but in my I could, he would just let me walk away. And I was like, oh, I'm not gonna die. That is, that is I can do like, I love this question. I think it's really important to reflect on and journal about 

Brad Crowell 28:40  

What am I so scared of? I remember being my first I just moved to L.A. and I had no money, and I got a job at this restaurant. It took me a week to get a job at a restaurant of where I walked around to, I don't know, a dozen more, I don't even know. I would evaluate the restaurant, see how busy they were at dinner, decide, could I make enough money here, and then, do I want to work here? Does this seem cool? And I would put in an application, and I went to all these different places, and I finally got this job, because I went back a second a third time, I really wanted to work at this restaurant. And I then I met these guys, and they offered me a job. And I called my best friend at the time and I said, hey, man, I'm thinking of doing this. And he I said, but I'm worried. I'm worried about, you know, like, they're gonna pay me a salary, but I've, I've, I would be, I would have to give up my restaurant job. And he's like, you can get another restaurant job. And I was like, oh, you're right. Like, that's so true. 

Lesley Logan 29:37  

Yes, yes, even in a shitty economy, there's always an opportunity for something. It might not be, you know, it might not be the the restaurant job, but it would be a restaurant job like, you know, like, there's just, there's, there's options.

Brad Crowell 29:52  

Yeah, so I just thought that was really astute of John to take these three things, which we all have dealt with, struggled with in our lives, perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking, connect the dots that there's fear is the root of these three things, and then how do we how do we lean into that? What are we so afraid of? What are we so afraid of? 

Lesley Logan 30:18  

Yeah, and your fears are allowed to be like, they could be legitimate fears. And then at least the power is removed when it has air, you know, like the power of fear is really removed when you just, like, put it out on the table. And at least then you can figure out, like, well, what would I do if that happened? You know, so I loved it. I loved, you know, John's, we posted the tour, and we'll be at Rehoboth Beach Delaware. 

Brad Crowell 30:42  

Yeah, it's, it's really close to where he lives.

Lesley Logan 30:45  

I think it's really close. I think we should finally fucking see him. 

Brad Crowell 30:53  

Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be good. 

Lesley Logan 30:57  

John. 

Brad Crowell 30:57  

We're calling you out, John, we're calling you. 

Lesley Logan 30:57  

We're gonna, we gotta talk. 

Brad Crowell 30:57  

We're gonna call you. 

Lesley Logan 30:53  

We gotta talk about food. How about coffee. How about a happy hour?

Brad Crowell 30:57  

Love it. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we've got some great Be It Action Items from John as well. 

Lesley Logan 31:04  

John, you can also text us. That's fine too. 

Brad Crowell 31:06  

Yeah. All right, we'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 31:10  

Finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What are the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that we could take away from your convo with John Mollura. He said, confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Most of us are showing up for the person we've made a commitment to. Okay, I'll pick you up at six. Okay, I'll do the dishes. Okay, I'll take the trash out, right? You're committing to someone else. I'll do my homework. I'll do this thing, whatever. But we constantly let our own selves down. And it doesn't seem like a big deal. 

Lesley Logan 31:48  

It is a humongous deal. You say you're gonna go to bed at 9 pm and you don't go to bed till 10, you are literally taking a drop out of the confidence bucket.

Brad Crowell 31:57  

Yeah, and it's subconscious. You might not be like, oh, can't believe it. Oh, I didn't go to bed at nine o'clock.

Lesley Logan 32:03  

Please, please listen to the habits podcast, and don't do that.

Brad Crowell 32:05  

In your in in your belief you're chipping away at the foundation of confidence that you have in yourself when you don't uphold your own decisions to yourself, right? And you might not realize that that's happening. But he explained the actual root cause of people's lack of confidence is that they're not showing up for themselves, and meaning that loss of self-trust because we consistently and continually break commitments we made to ourselves time and time again, that will it's it's fascinating, because John is an engineer first, so he still thinks and talks like an engineer, even though he's very creative with photography and now working with his clients and coaching. But he started talking about data, you know, or the data, sorry, and so he said, he said, you why, why don't we uphold these things to ourselves? Because we never have upheld these things to ourselves. But we can change that. We can rectify that by starting to keep these promises to ourselves. When you start to give your brain a new set of data to work with, instead of the old data of broken self-promises, right? So how do we do that? Small, consistent actions that aren't a big thing, but over time, they add up to I am consistent. I do this thing. I do wake up, you know, earlier. I do go all the things that we say we want to go do, but we don't uphold we don't do them. Why don't we follow through? It's because we never have. Well, we can change that by making these small decisions, day by day.

Lesley Logan 33:38  

Agreed. I loved these, he gave us some questions, and this is really fun thing for you to journal upon. It said, when making conscious decisions on honor one's future self, one must ask, is what I'm going to do or not do going to cause me to be a hero to the future me? I love this like I love this. I look back at the the me in 2013 who made that big decision, go, I'm a fucking hero to myself, like, I thank God I fucking did that when I did it, because my whole life was like the domino effect of like, everything that I wanted. So yes, right? The goal is to ensure that when you meet your future self, you are not staying there tired and disappointed because you failed to go after it. Like if you ever said, oh, by this date, I want to have X thing. And then you didn't do anything, and then you got to that day like, I wanted to be over here by now. Well, the effort thing, it's not like I have missed dates on goals that I was working towards. And there's a difference between actually working towards something and the deadline is further than you thought, than not doing anything at all, and getting to the deadline,

Brad Crowell 34:47  

I think, I mean, I was thinking about goal setting and all that kind of stuff. Like, okay, this, this quarter in business, we're gonna do $100,000 and you, you know, work, work, work, and you make only $60,000 but it was more than you've ever made before. It doesn't mean that you like didn't make that you didn't keep a promise to yourself.

Lesley Logan 35:09  

Right. Well, were you, were you the person who could like, did the effort you put towards it, could it have been $100,000 if the stars had aligned? Then, then you should, whatever you land with you should celebrate, because the person that you made yourself be to do those things is the goal, is the journey, right? Is the hero. So the action should result in you high fiving yourself and saying, thank you for honoring me. Thank you for doing that, that the thing in that moment. He also said, you can call him. You guys, I have not like, that's insane, free calls. And he also gave some free resources over on his site, on johnnmollura.com, that's John with an H-N-N.

Brad Crowell 35:10  

Yeah, J-O-H-N-M-O-L-L-U-R-A dot com, johnmollura.com. 

Lesley Logan 35:49  

Yeah. So check those out. I love it. John, you're such an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your journey with us and the Be It Till You See It babes. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 36:06  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 36:07  

Thanks for joining us. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Tag John. Tell us. Send this to a friend who needs to hear who needs to be a hero in their life, and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 36:17  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 36:19  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. 

Brad Crowell 37:00  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 37:06  

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Brad Crowell 37:10  

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Lesley Logan 37:17  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 37:21  

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