Kaz and Rach sit down with Grant Bradshaw and Matt Page, both of whom have experience in the area from two absolutely opposites entry points — from testosterone therapy to the darker corners of performance-enhancing drug use in BJJ and beyond. This episode gets real about:

• TRT: myths, realities, and what the average guy needs to know.

• PEDs in jiu-jitsu: who's doing what, how it's done, and the unspoken codes of silence.

• Natural vs. enhanced: the physical, psychological, and competitive consequences.

• Social stigma: how juicing gets judged, who’s quietly doing it, and how transparency could shift the sport.

• Hormonal optimization: what “healthy male” even means anymore in an era of low-T memes and supplement scammers.

• Testing protocols (or lack thereof) in BJJ and what that means for gym culture.

Honest, unfiltered, and maybe a bit uncomfortable — this is the hormone episode you didn’t know you needed.