Rich and Josh discuss cookie bars, hunkering down, going to the cinema, mice in the flat, Marvin, sorting out the cycle, totally ignoring how you’re feeling, heavy crowns, segueing, having them mastered, lo-fi, iPads, thrashed together, having a point, audio versus video, lack of movement, being right there with him, questionable filters, paying your dues, evocativeness, just the thing he does, being really curious, replicating, The Darkness, carving out a sound, Robert Zimmerman singing, balloons, carrier pigeons, blue bubbles, MSN nostalgia, artistic control, and Neil Young’s The Times.

Next time: Where the Buffalo Roam