How did immigration become about national security when the facts don’t back up this connection? And how do you respond to these accusations when the conversation isn’t about what’s true? When it’s about something deeper?

In this live recording of In The Thick at the Aspen Ideas Festival, hosts Maria Hinojosa and Julio Ricardo Varela lead a conversation with Wajahat Ali, writer, video essayist, and contributor to the New York Times, and Jose Antonio Vargas, journalist, immigrant rights activist and founder of Define American.

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