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In this episode, Ashley Blackington welcomes Leslie Forde, founder and CEO of Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs and upcoming author of Repair With Self-Care: Your Guide to the Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs. With humor, honesty, and deep research-backed insight, Leslie unpacks the complex emotional and logistical layers of caregiving, particularly motherhood, in a post-pandemic world. She discusses how societal expectations, personal habits, and systemic structures collide—and what we can do about it. From redefining self-care to advocating for policy change and workplace flexibility, this is a must-listen for anyone navigating care, career, and their own mental health.

What you'll learn:

• The origin and evolution of Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs
• How Leslie’s research is changing the conversation around parental burnout
• Why self-care isn’t optional—and how to reclaim it
• The intersection of public policy, workplace culture, and maternal well-being
• What the pandemic revealed about caregiving and equity
• Actionable ways moms can “vote with their wallets” for change
• How organizations can retain working parents and caregivers
• The critical role of Employee Resource Groups (ERGs) in supporting caregiver wellbeing
• Why women’s mental and physical health are directly impacted by invisible labor
• The long and short game strategies for changing the systems that hold moms back

Questions answered in this episode:

• What is the Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs, and how did it begin?
• Why do moms struggle to care for themselves—and how can that change?
• How has the pandemic reshaped caregiving and work?
• What long-term solutions exist for systemic inequities in care and labor?
• Why is self-care a “ministry” for Leslie?
• How can moms find clarity on what actually matters in their day-to-day?
• What is the role of employers in creating family-friendly workplaces?
• What’s the danger of society “returning to normal” post-pandemic?
• How can mothers advocate for change through spending power?
• What’s in Leslie’s upcoming book, Repair With Self-Care?

Connect with Leslie Forde:

• Website: https://momshierarchyofneeds.com
• Book (Pre-order): Repair With Self-Care: Your Guide to the Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs (available wherever books are sold
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslieforde/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/momshierarchy

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