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In this episode of AND/BOTH, we’re joined by creative visionary and women’s health advocate Amri Kibbler for a raw and necessary conversation about burnout, motherhood, entrepreneurship, and surviving not one but two colon cancer diagnoses. Amri shares how she went from editor at Glamour and co-founder of the 75,000+ member HeyMama community to navigating medical gaslighting, missed diagnoses, and the fight to be heard.

We explore how slowing down became Amri’s greatest act of self-preservation, how she’s redefined ambition and healing, and why listening to your body might just save your life. Whether you’re juggling business and babies or pushing through when your body says stop, this episode is a heartfelt reminder to tune in, speak up, and prioritize your health.

You'll hear:

• Amri’s early media career and building the HeyMama network
• The warning signs she missed, and how long it took to get diagnosed
• Navigating colon cancer during the pandemic with young kids and a growing company
• The emotional toll of looking “fine” while being critically ill
• Creating a personal care team and journaling symptoms to advocate for yourself
• Why colon cancer is rising in younger adults and what screenings are essential
• The importance of redefining success and slowing down—especially as a mom and entrepreneur

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/

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What if building a sustainable business and raising a family didn’t have to feel like a juggling act? In this episode of the And Both podcast, we’re joined by Jac White, founder of Honeybees Group and self-proclaimed “anti-make-seven-figures-in-your-sleep-by-posting-on-Instagram” sales coach. Jac gets real about building businesses, motherhood, and the money myths holding so many women back. With zero fluff and all the practical strategy, she shares how to figure out your Enough Number, why community support is the secret sauce, and how to finally start selling in a way that feels human. Whether you’re a mompreneur in the messy middle or dreaming of ditching corporate life, this conversation will leave you feeling fired up and fully seen.

What You’ll Learn:

• How to calculate your “Enough Number” to create realistic, sustainable business goals
• Why most women undercharge and how to start asking for what you’re actually worth
• The difference between real sales strategy and Instagram illusion
• How Jac transitioned from corporate to consulting to community-building
• Why relationship-driven selling is the game-changer for service-based businesses

Questions Answered in This Episode:

• What’s the first step you should take before setting your revenue goal?
• Why do women (especially moms) hesitate to call themselves “salespeople”?
• What are the biggest tax pitfalls new business owners face and how can you avoid them?
• How can you build true connection and community without burning out?
• What does it actually look like to raise a family while running a business?

Connect with Jac White:

Website: honeybeesgroup.co

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822

Instagram: @dovetailapp

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/

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In this powerful roundtable conversation, Ashley Blackington is joined again by Erin Holland (PG-ish Podcast), Dr. Sheryl Ziegler (psychologist and author of Mommy Burnout), and Alison Campbell (founder of Unburnt) for an honest, timely deep dive into burnout, what it looks like, what it feels like, and what it takes to truly recover. From the physical and emotional toll to the identity-shifting wake-up calls, this episode is both validating and empowering for anyone trying to do it all while feeling crispy around the edges.

What You’ll Learn:

• The three core hallmarks of burnout and how to recognize them early
• How chronic stress manifests physically and why completing the stress cycle is essential
• The surprising connection between infertility and stress
• How burnout impacts career-driven women, working moms, and caregivers differently
• What to do when your dream job becomes unsustainable
• How our definitions of success (and workplace values) are evolving with new generations
• Practical tools for burnout recovery and sustainable well-being
• Why community connection is more powerful than cucumbers on your eyes

Connect with Alison:

Website: https://www.getunburnt.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/get_unburnt/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-campbell-3035b63/

Connect with Dr. Ziegler:

Website: http://www.drsherylziegler.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drsherylziegler/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drsherylziegler/

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822

Instagram: @dovetailapp

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/

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Gabs Hayes, entrepreneurial mother of three and founder of The Village community, shares her powerful journey from corporate burnout to intentional living. After experiencing the stillborn loss of her son seven years ago, Gabs began questioning everything she thought life was supposed to be. In this raw and honest conversation, she discusses how she and her family have lived as "slow nomads" across seven states in 11 years, why she shut down her seven-figure consulting business after reaching complete burnout and suicidal ideation, and how she's rebuilt her life around presence and intentionality. Gabs opens up about rejecting the "shoulds" of traditional parenting and business, the reality of mental health struggles as an entrepreneur and mother, and why "balance is bullshit" when you're trying to do life and business simultaneously.

What You'll Learn:

• How to recognize the difference between everyday stress and true burnout that requires immediate attention and intervention
• Why waiting for "someday" to live the life you want is a dangerous gamble - and how to start making changes now
• The power of questioning every "should" in your life and determining which expectations are self-imposed versus actually necessary
• How to navigate major life transitions (like business pivots or family changes) while maintaining your mental health and family stability
• Why community and authentic connection are essential for parents building businesses, not just nice-to-haves
• How to set boundaries with school activities, volunteer requests, and social expectations without guilt
• The importance of living intentionally in the present rather than constantly chasing future goals or dwelling on past decisions
• How to recognize when your current path (even a successful one) is no longer aligned with who you're becoming
• Why it's okay to hate certain aspects of parenting while still being a good parent - and how to be honest about those struggles
• How to build a life strategy that works for your family rather than following someone else's blueprint for success
• The value of taking alone time and mini-sabbaticals to prevent burnout and maintain clarity
• How to find and create authentic community as a parent, both online and in-person, especially when you're not naturally social

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

Dovetail® App: https://airtable.com/appn6w6IWipJYIuA3/pagZys7UnECzM46iJ/form

Social:

Instagram: @dovetailapp

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dovetaildesigns.co

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/

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In today's episode, Ashley chats with Amy Leclerc, co-owner and president of franchising at Sit Still Kids, shares her journey from magazine publishing in NYC to scaling boutique fitness with Bar Method to revolutionizing the children's haircare industry. In this conversation, Amy discusses how she's built multiple franchise businesses while raising two kids, the importance of work-life integration over balance, and why she believes there's a huge untapped market in specialized services for children. She opens up about navigating the messy middle of parenting teens, the changing landscape of education and career paths, and how taking exceptional care of yourself isn't selfish—it's essential for showing up as your best self in all areas of life.

What You'll Learn

• How to identify and capitalize on underserved markets (like the 1:92,500 ratio of kids' salons to children under 12)

• The difference between building a business versus building a brand, and why that distinction matters for scalability

• How to navigate major career transitions while growing a family without sacrificing either

• Why work-life integration beats work-life balance, and how companies like Bar Method pioneered flexible work cultures long before it was trendy

• The reality of franchise development and what it takes to scale from one location to 150+ nationwide

• How to maintain your entrepreneurial edge while co-parenting teens who are figuring out their own paths

• Why the traditional college-to-career pipeline might not be the best option for every kid (and the alternatives worth considering)

• The importance of modeling resilience and showing your children that adults are still learning and growing too

• How to practice "exceptional self-care" as a busy parent and business owner without guilt

• Why intuition is an underrated but essential business skill, and how to develop your ability to spot trends before they become mainstream

Connect with Amy LeClaire

Website: sitstillkids.com

Instagram: @sitstillkids

Sit Still Kids is expanding to New England with locations opening in the Boston area and Providence!

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dovetaildesigns.co

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In this candid and eye-opening conversation, Ashley welcomes Angie Anger, a self intimacy and sex coach, to the And Both Podcast. Angie shares her non-linear journey from counseling and corporate marketing to becoming a coach who helps women and femmes reconnect with their bodies, pleasure, and self-worth—especially through the lens of motherhood and long-term partnership. With empathy, humor, and a refreshing dose of honesty, they discuss desire types, communication barriers, emotional labor, and how parenthood reshapes intimacy. Angie reminds us: you’re not broken, you’re just human.

What You’ll Hear:

• The difference between responsive vs. spontaneous desire (and why most women aren’t broken)
• Why connection and self-intimacy matter more than scheduled sex
• How shifting your mindset from performance to play can transform your relationship
• The sex spiral of doom that many moms fall into—and how to break it
• How motherhood, aging, and identity shifts influence desire and pleasure
• Why Angie only works with individuals and not couples (and how it helps)
• Real talk on body image, communication breakdowns, and the dishes fight
• Coaching insights that help moms reclaim their pleasure on their own terms
• Angie’s advice for the mom who feels unseen, unsexy, and unsure where to start
• A preview of part two: how to talk to your kids about sex, bodies, and consent

Connect with Angie:

IG: @angieengercoach

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

Dovetail® App: https://airtable.com/appn6w6IWipJYIuA3/pagZys7UnECzM46iJ/form

Social:

Instagram: @dovetailapp

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dovetaildesigns.co

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/

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Ashley Blackington welcomes Julie Cole, co-founder of Mabel’s Labels, for a rich conversation on motherhood, entrepreneurship, and building a life and business that actually works. Julie shares her journey from lawyer to mom of six to label mogul, and all the messy, meaningful moments in between. She opens up about flexible work, raising independent kids, and the unfiltered truth of growing a business out of a basement into a beloved international brand. Expect inspiration, humor, and hard-won wisdom from someone who’s done it all, with a label for literally everything.

What you’ll learn:

• What inspired Julie to leave law and launch Mabel’s Labels with her sisters
• How entrepreneurship evolved alongside raising six kids (yes, six!)
• The mental load of motherhood and how to protect your identity through it
• Real talk on flexibility, burnout, and the myth of #BossMom
• The role of community, visibility, and mentorship in building a sustainable business

Questions answered in this episode:

• How do you balance entrepreneurship with parenting, especially in the early years?
• What conversations and sacrifices are required when leaving a traditional career?
• How did Julie and her co-founders grow Mabel’s Labels without social media?
• What lessons does she share with new founders and mompreneurs today?
• How can women show up as leaders and still prioritize their families?

Connect with Julie Cole:

• Website: mabelslabels.com/juliecole
• Instagram: @juliecole
• LinkedIn: Julie Cole
• Book: Like a Mother: Birthing Businesses, Babies, and a Life Beyond Labels

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

Dovetail® App: https://airtable.com/appn6w6IWipJYIuA3/pagZys7UnECzM46iJ/form

Social:

Instagram: @dovetailapp

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dovetaildesigns.co

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/

In this candid and insightful episode of AND/BOTH, host Ashley Blackington sits down with Tricia Mirchandani, founder and creative director of T Collective, to explore what it really looks like to build a business on your own terms. They dive into the realities of parenting in the digital age, the winding road of creative entrepreneurship, and how Tricia is using her career to build a better front door not just for herself, but for others. Together, they discuss how to raise social media-literate kids, manage work-life flexibility, and navigate the unglamorous but powerful side of growing in public.

You’ll hear in this episode:

• Why social media education is the new “driver’s ed” for kids
• How to model healthy digital habits at home
• What it means to re-launch your career after a “failed” freelance attempt
• How Tricia built T Collective after a corporate career in hospitality marketing
• The difference between great copywriting and strategic brand storytelling
• The power of LinkedIn to rebuild and rebrand
• Why Tricia believes in side doors, collective success, and paying it forward
• How family rhythms and business goals can support (not compete) with each other
• The impact of digital transparency on kids’ social awareness
• Why the ability to mute a group text might just be the ultimate life skill

Connect with Tricia Mirchandani:

• Website: https://triciamirchandani.com/
• Business site: https://www.withtcollective.com/
• Instagram: @with.t.collective
• LinkedIn: Tricia Mirchandani

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

Dovetail® App: https://airtable.com/appn6w6IWipJYIuA3/pagZys7UnECzM46iJ/form

Social:

Instagram: @dovetailapp

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dovetaildesigns.co

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/

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In today's roundtable episode, Ashley and Erin chat with two women building deeply human solutions for working moms: Kate Tovsen, founder of The Society of Working Moms and Kate Tovsen Media, and Alli Kushner, founder of BeeKyn, a soon-to-launch playdate matching and scheduling platform for modern families.

This honest, wide-ranging discussion explores why loneliness is a shared, but rarely talked about part of motherhood, especially for those balancing careers, businesses, and caregiving. Each guest offers a unique lens into how accessible community, supportive tools, and even digital innovation like asynchronous connection or curated online spaces can create more room for joy, help, and human connection in this messy middle of parenting.

Whether you’re raising toddlers or teens, running a company or running late to pickup, this conversation will help you feel seen, and remind you that building meaningful community is possible, even in a world that feels increasingly noisy and disconnected.

What you’ll learn:

• Why 70% of moms report feeling lonely—and what to do about it
• How motherhood changes your ability to connect (and what community can look like now)
• Why the “right” community for you will change over time
• The difference between joining a community and staying in one
• How tech can support, not replace, real-life connection
• Tips for building your own support network, even in small, siloed ways
• How parenting, business, and identity overlap in real-world community-building
• Why perfection isn’t the point—starting messy is often the key

Connect with Erin:

• Website: https://www.pgishparenting.com
• Instagram: @pgishparenting
• PG ish podcast

Connect with Kate:

• katetovsenmedia.com
• Society of Working Moms

Connect with Alli:

• allikushner.com
• BeeKyn

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

Dovetail® App: https://airtable.com/appn6w6IWipJYIuA3/pagZys7UnECzM46iJ/form

Social:

Instagram: @dovetailapp

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dovetaildesigns.co

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/

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In this episode, Ashley is joined by Joselyne Walter, a first-generation Latina business owner, marketing expert, and founder of The DIGG Agency. With a background in dispatching 36,000 truckloads a month and leading marketing efforts for some of the top companies on the Fortune 500 list, Joselyne shares her powerful journey from supply chain to C-suite to self-employment.

Their conversation dives into how she built a scalable agency rooted in sustainable growth, why she walked away from corporate leadership, and how AI is reshaping not just her work—but her parenting. From career pivots to teaching kids about tech to redefining success on your own terms, Joselyne’s story will resonate with anyone navigating ambition and real life at the same time.

What You’ll Learn:

• How Joselyne transitioned from dispatch supervisor to marketing director to agency founder
• The meaning of sustainable growth—and how to actually build a business around it
• How she’s using AI to increase efficiency and reduce overwhelm
• Ways to introduce AI tools to your kids (and have fun doing it!)
• Why giving yourself permission to grow slowly might be your smartest move
• The impact of being raised by immigrant parents on her entrepreneurial mindset
• How to work smarter (not harder) using tools and delegation

Questions Answered in This Episode:

• How do you pivot from a nontraditional career path into entrepreneurship?
• What does building a sustainable business as a mom really look like?
• How is AI changing the way marketers and entrepreneurs operate daily?
• Can AI actually support creativity, parenting, and project planning?
• What mindset shifts are needed when leaving a high-level corporate job?
• How can we teach our kids to be responsible and creative with AI?
• What does prioritization look like when you have limited time and big goals?
• What are the risks and opportunities AI brings to future generations?
• How does someone with limited formal education raise a child who leads at the highest level?

Connect with Joselyne Walter:

• Website: www.thediggagency.com

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community

Dovetail® App: https://airtable.com/appn6w6IWipJYIuA3/pagZys7UnECzM46iJ/form

Social:

Instagram: @dovetailapp

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dovetaildesigns.co

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/