Martin Willis & Dean Alioto speak with Bogna Konior, author of The Dark Forest Theory of the Internet, about the surprising connection between artificial intelligence, the internet, and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Drawing from the dark forest theory, she explores the idea that true intelligence may remain hidden, avoiding detection in a potentially hostile environment. The conversation covers whether the internet itself is a form of first contact, how AI may already be learning from human communication, and why advanced intelligence might choose silence over expression. This thought-provoking discussion challenges how we think about AI, communication, and the possibility that contact may already be underway in ways we do not fully understand.

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