Episode 77a-Deep state.

Despite being set in the decidedly pointless TeamClearCoat after-show, this week's conversation has an actual point.

We discuss why process is sometimes the most important thing. Whether it's why you've decided to go rogue and join the deep state, how you've arrived at a great piece of art, or just what you do before sitting on your couch, process drives everything.

Oh, and Ian recommends a band he can't pronounce.