Philosopher Laurie Ann Paul writes that when facing a truly transformative decision — one that will change not just your life but who you are — you can't evaluate it rationally. You can't pre-feel it. So she offers a different question: which path am I most interested in discovering? 

That idea stayed with us long after we stopped recording. 

In this episode, Fabio and Anita explore why curiosity and courage are two halves of the same thing — and what it looks like to live them both, in leadership, in relationships, and in the small choices of everyday life. 

In this conversation, we explore: 

✓ Why curiosity is not just about big discoveries — it's about being willing not to know, and the whole new world that can open up from there 

✓ How courage turns curiosity into action — and why one without the other leaves something essential incomplete 

✓ What Laurie Ann Paul's concept of transformative experience means for the decisions we can't rationally evaluate — like having a child, or making a leap we can't yet imagine ourselves on the other side of 

✓ The idea of microcourage — everyday acts of bravery like speaking up, staying curious a little longer in a conversation, or trying something unfamiliar 

About The Catastrophe Café: 

Join Anita Aerni and Fabio Duma for honest conversations about the beautiful mess of work, life & everything in between. No polished soundbites - just real dialogue about the challenges we all face and how we make sense of them. 

Music & Editing by George Hurd 

Connect with us: 

🌐 www.anitaaerni.org 

🌐 www.fabioduma.com

Season 1 Episodes: 

✓ Balance 

✓ The Art of Slow Living 

✓ Navigating Change 

✓ Trust Issues & Tissues 

✓ Choosing your Reality 

✓ Habits: Stability or Stagnation? 

✓ Navigating Relationships 

✓ In Praise of Curiosity & Courage