On today’s Candid Conversations, Charles Hsuan and Jordaan Jacobs discuss what it truly takes to make a business thrive—beyond the bottom line.

Jordaan opens up about his career transition, the systems thinking that guides his approach to problem-solving, and the lessons he’s learned along the way. They talk about the power of intentional habits, strategic partnerships, and the courage to embrace uncertainty.

Tune in to hear how Jordaan is helping companies grow sustainably and how he’s shifting his focus from personal success to empowering others for lasting change.