"You’re going to Austin to see Jocko." That’s what DC told his co-founder Elias (Drift’s CTO) a few weeks ago. They’ve started two companies together over the last 10 years, and last week, DC sent Elias to go see Jocko Willink— the same Jocko that we talked about on episode #72 Leadership Lessons From A Navy Seal. And now that Elias is back, we had to have him on Seeking Wisdom to tell the whole story, including why he’s been getting up at 4:30 AM ever since.

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