Brothers Laurent Brancowitz and Chris Mazzalai have been playing together in the band Phoenix since 1995. We talk about the secrets of their longevity, what failure means to them, the origin of the band's snare sound, fatherhood, how their band is like a "shitty circus" and much more. Their fantastic sixth album "Ti Amo" is out now. email: [email protected] web: http://www.noeffectsshow.com Footnote: the album that they discuss at one point is Serge Gainsbourg's "Histoire de Melody Nelson."