Welcome to one of those episodes of From What If to What Next that really gets under your skin. We are going to step out of our everyday commonplace universe and enter the parallel world of fungi that lives all around us, and really creates the world we live in. It's a pretty wild ride. And I have two amazing guests for you, who will hold our hands on our deep dive into this fascinating world. Dr. Patricia Ononiwu Kaishian is the Curator of Mycology at the New York State Museum, and her forthcoming book has possibly the best title I have ever heard which I'm not going to tell you so it can be a delightful surprise. And Doug Bierend is a New York based writer and author of the fab In Search of Mycotopia. I think you're going to like this one.

As always, thanks for listening, thanks to Ben Addicott for sprinkling his audio gold dust over the whole affair, and do share your thoughts, it's lovely to know what you think. Thanks.