Join FPC Executive Director Reed Luhtanen as he goes off the rails with Lana Swartz, professor of media studies at the University of Virginia and author of the book New Money: How Payment Became Social Media. Reed and Lana talk about the fundamental nature of payments, payments as a mechanism for communications, and the uses (and potentially misuses) of payments systems that sometimes fly under the radar. Buy a copy of Lana's book here: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300233223/new-money/