On some of our 'decade' episodes (well, 50 and 80 anyway) we changed from our usual two guest format to an in-depth conversation with someone who represents one of the great practitioners of the radical imagination in our times. And so today, in keeping with that 'tradition', we mark Episode 90 with a one-to-one conversation with Aisha Shillingford, whose work I just love. She is Artistic Director at the fabulous Intelligent Mischief, whose work includes the fabulously-titled Secret Society of Black Utopians. She wrote a brilliant article recently in Yes! magazine which I highly recommend. What a delight and an honour to be able to sit and talk imagination with her. I hope you love it, and as always, do let me know what you think.

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